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Iranian Alert - May 19, 2006 - Ahmadinejad: Promises the "end of history in 2-3 years?"
Regime Change Iran ^ | 5.19.2006 | DoctorZin

Posted on 05/20/2006 8:50:52 AM PDT by DoctorZIn

Top News Story

Ahmadinejad: Promises the "end of history in 2-3 years?"

  • Haaretz reported that former Military Intelligence chief Aharon Ze'evi claimed that Ahmadinejad has been overheard promising the "end of history in two or three years."

 

Iran turns down "potential" EU3 carrots.

  • Telegraph reported that Iran's president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has poured scorn on a European package of incentives designed to persuade the Islamic state to break off its nuclear program, saying that to accept them would be like trading chocolate for gold.

 

Iran wants to offer the EU3 Carrots instead.

  • Xinhua reported that Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Hamid Reza Asefi said that Tehran would offer economic incentives to the European Union in return for its recognition of Iran's right to enriching uranium for peaceful purposes.

 

Perm5 + Germany postpone meeting.

  • Yahoo News reported that a top-level meeting of the U.N. Security Council's five permanent members and Germany to discuss the Iranian nuclear standoff has been postponed while the United States seeks to harden proposed penalties if Tehran does not give up uranium enrichment.
  • China Daily reported that French Foreign Minister Philippe Douste-Blazy urged the international community to present a united front in confronting Iranian efforts to develop nuclear weapons.

 

Direct Talks with Iran?

 

Here are a few other news items you may have missed.

  • RIA Novosti reported that a deputy speaker of the Russian parliament proposed that Iran be granted full membership of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization.
  • Reuters reported that Jordanian officials accused Hamas of plotting to stage attacks on its soil using smuggled weapons, including Iranian rocket launchers.
  • Yahoo News reported that Iran is enlisting Syria and Hamas as allies in the battle over its disputed nuclear program and why it may not matter.
  • Ramin Parham, National Review Online argued that the Islamic regime in Iran has not lost sight its most imminent and present danger to its existence: its own people.


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1 posted on 05/20/2006 8:50:58 AM PDT by DoctorZIn
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2 posted on 05/20/2006 8:52:01 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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To: DoctorZIn

A war with Ahmadinejad is inevitable, because he intends to start one no matter what anyone else wants.

The only quesiton is whether we want to wage the war before he gets nukes, or after.


3 posted on 05/20/2006 9:02:12 AM PDT by Maceman (Fake but accurate, and now double-sourced)
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To: DoctorZIn

It may be the end of Armageddonejad's history even sooner than that.


4 posted on 05/20/2006 9:02:47 AM PDT by DogBarkTree
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To: DoctorZIn
The end of history or the world will never be decided by this upstart of a leader..When God says it is time then that is when I will listen.This coward is such a stupid moron..He like the other Muslim terrorist are going to get a rude awakening one day..
5 posted on 05/20/2006 9:14:11 AM PDT by Beth528
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To: Maceman
he intends to start one

Iran will have to start one if they want one.

6 posted on 05/20/2006 9:17:42 AM PDT by RightWhale (Off touch and out of base)
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To: RightWhale
Iran will have to start one if they want one.

You mean like after Ahmadinejad nukes Tel Aviv?

7 posted on 05/20/2006 9:19:56 AM PDT by Maceman (Fake but accurate, and now double-sourced)
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To: Maceman

Anybody would have to be crazy to start a big war. Iammadjohn might do it. As far as nuking this or that city, it would take more than one A-bomb to actually destroy a city.


8 posted on 05/20/2006 9:22:27 AM PDT by RightWhale (Off touch and out of base)
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To: DoctorZIn

The present is the buffer between the end of history and the start of the future. So the end of history is just an instant ago.

Another explanation...

The present is a convienent fiction to keep the past from bumping into the future.


9 posted on 05/20/2006 9:55:13 AM PDT by CPOSharky (Go home and fix your own country before you complain about ours.)
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To: RightWhale
Anybody would have to be crazy to start a big war. Iammadjohn might do it. As far as nuking this or that city, it would take more than one A-bomb to actually destroy a city.

I am not saying we should nuke Tehran. I'm no military strategist, and have no idea what our best option is for neutralizing Iran as a threat. I do know, hoever, that diplomacy will not get the job done.

What I'm saying is that we have to recognize that war is inevitable, and that we should fight it as we see fit at a time of our own choosing.

10 posted on 05/20/2006 10:39:03 AM PDT by Maceman (Fake but accurate, and now double-sourced)
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To: RightWhale
As far as nuking this or that city, it would take more than one A-bomb to actually destroy a city.

I believe Hiroshima was destroyed as a "city", and Nagasaki as well. For all intents and purposes, the tiny state of Israel is like a "city" in the sense that a nuke would be so devestating as to require all means to circumvent even the possibility of a nuke being launched at it.

11 posted on 05/20/2006 10:56:46 AM PDT by C210N (Bush SPYED, Terrorists DIED!)
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To: Beth528

There is nothing new under the sun, history repeats itself. FDR's challenges of hitler's holocaust/japan's pearl harbor are being repeated in GWB's iranian nazi-nut-911 strike/china's stealth soldiers hidden in the mexican flood, just waiting the orders to strike our military bases/electric grid(the movie is RED DAWN). Pray for our president, the burden he is carrying as CIC is truly awesome. Will we be as victorious in this coming WWIII as we were in WWII? Its all in GOD's hands as you say.


12 posted on 05/20/2006 11:21:42 AM PDT by timer
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To: Maceman

Has somebody nuked Tel Aviv? No?


13 posted on 05/20/2006 11:43:55 AM PDT by RightWhale (Off touch and out of base)
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To: C210N
I believe Hiroshima was destroyed as a "city", and Nagasaki as well

The Hiroshima city trolley continued to run all day and forever. City service didn't stop just because of a few city blocks being incinerated. Nagasaki was nearly missed altogether. Both cities are still doing very well.

14 posted on 05/20/2006 11:46:44 AM PDT by RightWhale (Off touch and out of base)
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To: RightWhale
"As far as nuking this or that city, it would take more than one A-bomb to actually destroy a city."

It took only 19 terrorists and three airplanes to destroy the Twin Towers, kill 3,000 Americans and nearly demolish the Pentagon. And let's not forget that those 19 terrorists managed to destroy our economy for about three years and forever change the way we live. One nuke in any city on earth will destroy that city, via the blast, the raging infernos afterward, the radiation, and the tidal wave of terror which will spread through the remains of that city like a tsunami. The markets will tumble in every nation, the prices of oil and gas will soar out of control, and panic will spread all over the earth. Iran's nuclear ambitions must be stopped, and soon.

15 posted on 05/20/2006 11:51:53 AM PDT by TheCrusader
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To: TheCrusader

That is already well known, unlike the origin of chess. What do Zoroastrians think of Christians?


16 posted on 05/20/2006 11:56:06 AM PDT by RightWhale (Off touch and out of base)
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To: RightWhale
"City service didn't stop just because of a few city blocks being incinerated."

This statement is insane. Both cities were so devastated that Hirohito surrendered to the allies, and he was a man who was prepared to fight the allies to the death in the streets of Japan. Take this fact together with the fact that today's nukes are far more powerful than the early A-bomb, and Israel will for all intents and purposes cease to exist as a nation for years to come, (and this assumes that only one bomb will hit). Iran must be stopped.

17 posted on 05/20/2006 11:56:44 AM PDT by TheCrusader
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To: DoctorZIn

The end of his history maybe. This fool has no idea what the West is capable of.


18 posted on 05/20/2006 12:02:04 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: TheCrusader

Japan surrendered to the US because Russia was bearing down on them. The power of A-bombs is vastly overestimated by most civilians, and the power of radioactive fallout even more so.


19 posted on 05/20/2006 12:02:48 PM PDT by RightWhale (Off touch and out of base)
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To: DoctorZIn

As long as we still have the present and future


20 posted on 05/20/2006 12:04:56 PM PDT by MaineVoter2002 (http://jednet207.tripod.com/PoliticalLinks.html)
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To: TheCrusader
IMHO, the key to this is understanding what may pass for theology in the Shi'a mind.

Given the basic Shi'a philosophy, they have formed in their minds, a murder-suicide pact with the West. But it is a pact with a twist: they absolutely want us to murder them, and all the rest of Islam. It will be the end, they're hoping, of all of us. The world would end.

This Armageddon will present Allah the All-Merciful with a purified world, ready for the next creation, an all-Islamic creation. This will also purify Islam, because they reason, ALL Muslims will give their lives for Allah and thus gain entry to Paradise. They would be saved with the Infidels as their slaves in Paradise for all eternity. There is no better outcome. Shi'a absolutely demands and glorifies suffering and sacrifice. Suicide, taking as many Infidels with one as possible, is the highest possible good. Ahmadinejad is merely following Shi'a theology to what he, and his teachers, think is its logical end.

21 posted on 05/20/2006 12:17:07 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (How odd of God to put so much crude under the arses of those so rude.)
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To: RightWhale
I think a likely scenario might be for Iran to launch a massive missile attack on Israel using Hezbollah and Hamas, and force US military strikes on Iran before we are ready with hopes (on their part) that the UN will then step in and negotiate security guarantees for Iran (to "keep another world war from starting" will be the argument).

This would be one of the worst possible outcomes for the West and unfortunately Ahmadinejad can play these cards whenever he wants.

US efforts with the UNSC don't seem to take into account
22 posted on 05/20/2006 1:36:11 PM PDT by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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To: timer

Thank you for your thoughts..I pray ever day for our soldiers and our President..I have no fear when or if we go into another war..I know when the time comes we will be taken up to be with the Lord..He will not let some snot nose idiot tell anyone when the end is coming..


23 posted on 05/20/2006 2:26:52 PM PDT by Beth528
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To: DoctorZIn

It wouldn't be a question of being ready. The US can begin anytime. The reason the US has not begun is that war is traditionally something the US responds to rather than initiates and the US will wait until Iran starts. The policy of preemption as stated by the US is not going to be implemented unless Iran makes obvious moves such as massing on the border.


24 posted on 05/20/2006 2:29:40 PM PDT by RightWhale (Off touch and out of base)
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To: RightWhale
Of course we can bomb them at any time.

But the US knows this is exactly what Ahmadinejad wants, as I mentioned earlier. The US is not ready to deal with all the likely responses to such an attack. I am referring not only to military issues involved but political and economic. There are many possible scenarios and many are very dangerous.

The US is not interested in starting something when it is not confident of the outcome.

Again, the most dangerous element here is that Ahmadinejad can change the equation at any time through its proxies around the world.
25 posted on 05/20/2006 2:43:27 PM PDT by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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To: DoctorZIn

Economics is probably the best reason to not start something unless dire necessity. Politics is always part of everything, and if Iran attacks, politics will suddenly shift for war and economics will take a tremendous hit if the war isn't concluded quickly.


26 posted on 05/20/2006 2:47:55 PM PDT by RightWhale (Off touch and out of base)
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To: RightWhale
Has somebody nuked Tel Aviv? No?

You're right. I mean just because Admadinejad has basically told the world that Israel would be nuked, that's no reason to take him seriously. It's not like he's the psychopathic mother of all suicidal Jihad lunatics or anything. Besides, he's said the nuclear program is just for peaceful purposes anyway.

So I guess it's OK if he gets nukes or nuclear material that can be conveyed to his Jihadist terrorists contacts around the world.

So maybe the prudent thing would be to wait until he nukes Tel Aviv before we take military action.

I mean, if we attacked militarily before he was ready for us, it might make him REALLY angry and then we'd be in REAL trouble.

Gee, I wish I had the counsel of someone more nuanced than I, so I could decide what I think our policy should be.

27 posted on 05/20/2006 3:06:19 PM PDT by Maceman (Fake but accurate, and now double-sourced)
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To: Beth528

You are a nice person. Beware false prophets, the anti-christ is working diligently behind the scenes right now. The american indians have an old prophecy : when men begin to build a city in the sky, then the end will come : International Space Station. Why do 200 million chinese invade the middle east as mentioned in the Book of Revelation? To lap up the last dregs of OIL. Their economy is exploding(300 million cars)and they are already all over the world, getting their hands on as many energy supplies as they can : athabasca tar sands in canada, uranium in australia, driving out occidental petroleum in ecuador w/bribes, drilling for oil in kenya...china is becoming one huge, voracious MOUTH demanding to be fed = malthusian corrections = war, disease, famine = armageddon. e-mail me and I'll tell you how the rapture is done.


28 posted on 05/20/2006 3:08:36 PM PDT by timer
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To: rbg81
The "West" no longer exists as a power. It is the few, moral, free nations, including Japan and India that matter. Forget about the west.
29 posted on 05/20/2006 3:23:17 PM PDT by gafusa
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To: DoctorZIn

Russia and China are using this clown - they can yank our chains through him without having to risk a direct confrontation with the US military. If we topple him, they'll find another one - probably Chavez. The Cold War is back on, it seems.


30 posted on 05/20/2006 4:00:04 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: Maceman
I could decide what I think our policy should be

It might be interesting to know what the policy actually is. The White House has always been sparce on public words when it comes to major international policy, and that is not just a characteristic of the present Pres.

31 posted on 05/20/2006 4:39:47 PM PDT by RightWhale (Off touch and out of base)
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To: DoctorZIn

Ahmadinejad: Promises the "end of history in 2-3 years?"

He should join the Jehovah's Witnesses!


32 posted on 05/20/2006 7:18:03 PM PDT by Valin (Purple Fingers Rule!)
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To: DoctorZIn

These are the enemies of the civilized world. Enough is enough. Let's roll before they crash US.


33 posted on 05/20/2006 9:01:45 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: DoctorZIn

"End of History" jihad bump


34 posted on 05/26/2006 12:23:17 AM PDT by Dajjal
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