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Russia becoming a Muslim state!
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Posted on 05/27/2006 11:51:48 PM PDT by Srirangan

By Salah Uddin Shoaib Choudhury

Imagine Russia in 2050! According to Paul Goble, a specialist on ethnic minorities in the Russian Federation has predicted that within the next several decades, Russia will become a Muslim majority state. There is another bad news with fast decline in country’s population. This has already become a headache for Russian politicians and policy makers. President Vladimir Putin has called already for Russian women to have more children, because demographers predict that Russia’s population will fall from 143 million to 100 million by 2050. This situation has alarmed Russians as well Western leaders, more so because analysts estimate that Muslims will comprise the majority group in Russia’s population in few decades.

The Muslim population growth rate since 1989 is between 40 and 50 percent, depending on ethnic groups. Today Russia has about 8,000 mosques while 15 years there were only 300 mosques. According to statistics, by the end of 2015, number of mosques in Russia will cross 25,000. These statistics are frightening for many ethnic Russians who associate Islam with the Kremlin’s war against insurgents in Chechnya. Russia is shrinking. Alarmed by the situation, Putin has offered incentives to women who will have more children.

He said that the government would offer 1,500 roubles for the first child, and 3,000 roubles for the second child. He further said that the government will offer financial incentives to those couples who will adopt Russian orphans. But, response to Vladimir Putin’s call is almost zero. Main reason behind fast decline in non-Muslim population in Russia is, particularly larger section of young females in the country is not in favor of having even any child. If someone has, that is also limited within one only. On the other hand, almost all the Muslim couples have at least three children. The number generally ranges between 3-5.

Talking to Blitz, a leader of Moscow’s most populated area said, if the growth of Muslim population continues in the present trend, with the serious decline in population of other religious communities, Russian might ultimately end up as a Muslim state in next two decades. He suggested massive propaganda in favor of having more children in country’s mass media as well increase in the amount of incentives. He also pointed to the fact that, in most cases, such incentives might again go to the Muslim mothers, who generally have more than one child. This is not the question of incentives; it is a matter of realization for the entire non-Muslim Russian population. They should understand that by limited number of children, they are gradually pushing the fate of the country towards an Islamic federation.

Commenting on the issue, a former diplomat said, after the fall of Soviet Union, unfortunately, the entire Russian nation has lost their nationalist spirit, because of poverty and other socio-political adversities. Now they fear in having more than a single child in the family as the cost of living has become extremely expensive, while in most cases, female members of the families are rather forced to work in various fields to bring extra money for their families.

He said, not only the number of Muslim population in Russia is on fast growth because the Muslim women have more than one child, but in recent years, a large number of Islamist NGOs are actively working in the country, which are playing desperate role in having very large number of newly converts in Islam from other religion. He further said, especially the atheist groups are gradually getting inclined towards Islam because of extensive propaganda and activities of the Islamist NGOs.

Highly educated scholars are engaged in giving sermons in mosques and other public places on a regular basis, which is putting tremendous impact on the minds of the people, especially the younger generation. These Islamic clerics are even with suits and clean shaven face. They speak different languages fluently, which is a very strong point for them to attract the attention of already educated Russian people, who are in serious economic and social distress.

He said, in contrary to activities of Islamist NGOs, there are virtually no or very few activities of missionaries of other religious faiths in Russia. Although the Islamist clerics and missions have their hidden and open missions in mind, from their faces and sermons, it is really difficult to identify anything. They initially spread the message of peace, and end up with the poison of religious hatred and jihad. These groups are even gradually capturing Russian media, through investments via Western countries, which are actually Arab money. They are even spending money in giving voice and strength to Muslim leadership, with the ultimate goal of taking over the power of Kremlin.

Comparing the new converted Russian Muslims with Muslims in other countries, he said, they are more fanatics and their beliefs are deep rooted in their minds and thoughts. They openly pronounce that, the main reason behind accepting Islam was as salvage. Poison of hatred has greatly influenced their minds. They instantly take the example of Chechnya, where Kremlin forces committed serious massacre. In their inner thoughts, there is a kind of hatred for Russian leaders and for the non-Muslims, and they want to take revenge of Chechnya case.

A senior journalist with Russian Interfax news agency told Blitz Afro-Arab sources are putting millions of dollars behind Islamist NGOs in Russia. In near future, quite a number of important seats in Russian parliament will also go into the hands of Muslim leaders. He said, in Russian press clubs, number of Muslim journalists is increasing steadily. He said, millions of dollars are spent for building mosques and Islamist institutions in different parts of Moscow and other parts in Russia. The Islamist NGOs even operate orphanages, where children from various religions are adopted and later converted to Islam.

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1 posted on 05/27/2006 11:51:50 PM PDT by Srirangan
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To: Srirangan

hope for the best,plan for the worst i guess...


2 posted on 05/27/2006 11:54:54 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: Srirangan

Once the Left drives Christianity underground, the society is ripe for a takeover by Islam. This is exacerbated by Russia's location, but is happening.


3 posted on 05/27/2006 11:57:33 PM PDT by 308MBR ( Somebody sold the GOP to the socialists, and the GOP wasn't theirs to sell.)
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To: Srirangan

Tis true. I'm dating a Russian girl now, and she flat out told me that she could never see herself having more than one child in Russia, but she wants 3 if we marry.


4 posted on 05/28/2006 12:00:46 AM PDT by CheyennePress
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To: Srirangan

Whenver I read stories like this I wonder what the attraction to Islam is. It seems to appeal to people who have a need for a strong set of rules about how to live; self-determination and individual initiative are frightening to these people, and they need an outside source of rules for getting through life.


5 posted on 05/28/2006 12:02:12 AM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: CheyennePress

lucky you. russian girls are sooo pretty.


6 posted on 05/28/2006 12:03:36 AM PDT by -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-
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To: Srirangan


Finally the dream of the Golden Horde is realized.


7 posted on 05/28/2006 12:03:39 AM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President! www.dndorks.com)
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To: Darkwolf377

i think discontent(anger) is the driving force personally...


8 posted on 05/28/2006 12:03:45 AM PDT by kinoxi
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To: kinoxi
Good point.

Whenever I read these stories I keep thinking of brownshirts. The young and angry who feel like outsiders yet crave a sense of belonging.

9 posted on 05/28/2006 12:06:45 AM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: Darkwolf377
susceptible youth tend to feed this monstrosity
10 posted on 05/28/2006 12:10:00 AM PDT by kinoxi
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To: Srirangan

One of the big ones is that Aids is going to absolutely destroy Russia over the coming years. They already have a massive birthrate issue over there. In Putins latest state of the union, he was begging Russians to have children. The same speeches your starting to hear out of western european leaders.
Combine that with a growing aids epidemic and its a ethnic recipe for disaster.

The muslim hordes will be moving north quickly.


11 posted on 05/28/2006 12:39:56 AM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: Srirangan

It shouldn't surprise us. Russia has defense agreements with the following nearby states and is working with Iran and Syria to destabilize the Middle East. Russia did the same long ago with Islamist nations to start the Six Day War.

Kazakhstan
slightly less than four times the size of Texas
Religions:
Muslim 47%, Russian Orthodox 44%, Protestant 2%, other 7%

Kyrgyzstan
slightly smaller than South Dakota
Religions:
Muslim 75%, Russian Orthodox 20%, other 5%

Tajikistan
slightly smaller than Wisconsin
Religions:
Sunni Muslim 85%, Shi'a Muslim 5%, other 10% (2003 est.)


12 posted on 05/28/2006 12:42:40 AM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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To: Srirangan

What Russia really needs to do is shrink. It needs to give the Muslim parts of the empire their independence and put up minefields on the borders. What is happening to Russia today is what happened to the Manchurians from the git-go when they conquered China. The Chinese outnumbered the Manchurians more than 20 to 1. In their greed and their stupidity, the Manchurians kept all of China. When the Chinese overthrew the Manchurians at the beginning of the 20th century, they asserted a claim to all of Manchuria, and made it stick. Over time, the Manchurians lost their customs and their language, and are now just another Chinese minority. Once were warriors.


13 posted on 05/28/2006 1:59:47 AM PDT by Zhang Fei
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To: Srirangan

[Vladimir Putin’s call is almost zero. Main reason behind fast decline in non-Muslim population in Russia is, particularly larger section of young females in the country is not in favor of having even any child. If someone has, that is also limited within one only. On the other hand, almost all the Muslim couples have at least three children. The number generally ranges between 3-5.]

The iniquity of liberalism is destroying nations worldwide, and the Muslim nations have but to wait and procreate.


14 posted on 05/28/2006 5:00:44 AM PDT by kindred ( Ro.5:6For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.)
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To: Darkwolf377

"Whenver I read stories like this I wonder what the attraction to Islam is. It seems to appeal to people who have a need for a strong set of rules about how to live; self-determination and individual initiative are frightening to these people, and they need an outside source of rules for getting through life."

I think you're pretty close in explaining it. It's very austere and it's going to appeal to people who want a strong sense of discipline. I think that partly explains why it's so popular in American prisons. I think part of it's appeal is that it also puts men in a position superior to that of women.

One of Christianity's problems is that much of it has become very feminized. Men are simply not comfortable going to churches with women clergy or in some cases homosexual clergy and a theology that is all too often espousing secular feminism. The results are there for all to see.

Go into a church these days and do a head count. Mostly women and older women at that, and very few children or families. Churches that don't value men and fathers are not going to see them attending.


15 posted on 05/28/2006 6:13:30 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: SJackson; Alouette; Salem; anonymoussierra; Grzegorz 246; lizol; Lukasz; RusIvan; GarySpFc

ping


16 posted on 05/28/2006 6:30:07 AM PDT by Wiz
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To: Darkwolf377
Whenver I read stories like this I wonder what the attraction to Islam is.

The "attraction" is, if you are born into a Muslim family you are a Muslim. You can't leave. It's a death sentence.

Islam is a demonic system which holds its' adherents in spiritual and physical slavery though a combination of culture, Law and force. The road is very wide to get in, but very narrow and dangerous if one decides to get out. One has to do it in secret and it's like defecting to another country. You have to leave family, friends, and forsake all, living in fear for the rest of your life.

17 posted on 05/28/2006 6:37:47 AM PDT by Gritty (If one can only convert to but not from Islam, it is a threat to every free person on Earth-M Steyn)
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To: RKBA Democrat
One of Christianity's problems is that much of it has become very feminized. Men are simply not comfortable going to churches with women clergy or in some cases homosexual clergy and a theology that is all too often espousing secular feminism. The results are there for all to see. Go into a church these days and do a head count. Mostly women and older women at that, and very few children or families. Churches that don't value men and fathers are not going to see them attending.

Very true. There are many churches that practice a dead faith and worship a dead god (little g).
18 posted on 05/28/2006 6:41:53 AM PDT by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.org - Forging a Rebirth of Freedom.)
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To: Srirangan

And the murderers of Beslan go unpunished..


19 posted on 05/28/2006 7:02:12 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Srirangan; All
Putin's Baby Love

New York Times
5/21/06 | VIKTOR EROFEYEV

MOSCOW - Since my daughter Maya was born 10 months ago, I've noted that many of my Russian friends are more likely to express amazement than to share my joy. "Do you really like fussing around with kids?" asked one of them, a television journalist, with sincere incredulity.

It might be that this notion of children as a burden, as an unnecessary bother, is the psychological reason for the catastrophic decline in Russian birth rates (the average woman has 1.34 children, and for every 16 Russians who died in 2004, only 10.4 babies were born). It's hard enough to get by — let's leave children for the future.

Imagine a large city, population 700,000. Every year, Russia loses every person in that city. While 35,000 people are killed in automobile accidents each year, even more die from drugs, alcohol and the consequences of an unhealthy lifestyle. Death triumphs over birth in a country that the state-owned news media grandly calls an energy superpower. The state, at last, has taken note.

In something of a bantering tone, which has become his style of late, President Vladimir Putin declared that the primary concern of the state is now love and motherhood. He proposed to resolve the love question capitalistically; to use financial incentives to raise the birthrate. Thus a woman who decides to have a second child will get about $10,000. And the president underpinned his concern for motherhood with a military concept, arguing that a dwindling population would leave the country unprotected.

I just returned to Moscow from China — where there is an effective ban on a second child — with a strange thought: the Chinese could export extra children to Russia. Really. Until now, Russia has been exporting its children through foreign adoptions. Orphanages effectively trade in children.

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20 posted on 05/28/2006 7:13:38 AM PDT by XR7
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Absolutely, you are right but as I know Russians they wont understand. Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was once very big as well and despite that the Poles were not outnumbered as you wrote, the were unable to control all their lands. Finally their enemies from the west and the east got advantage of this weakness and divided whole commonwealth. Once powerful state was vanished from the maps for more than 100 years.


21 posted on 05/28/2006 8:51:51 AM PDT by Lukasz
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To: Srirangan
We can hope, but I doubt we will see this glorious event, which would be richly deserved.
22 posted on 05/28/2006 9:16:24 AM PDT by JasonC
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To: RKBA Democrat
Men are simply not comfortable going to churches with women clergy or in some cases homosexual clergy and a theology that is all too often espousing secular feminism

Not true in the Orthodox Christian faith, you'll not find either!

23 posted on 05/28/2006 9:18:35 AM PDT by MadelineZapeezda (KKKByrd: "Amnesties are the dark underbelly of our immigration process"......he even gets it!)
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To: Zhang Fei

Shrinking would work, but it would require the overcoming of vampirial... er, imperial, hubris, and would only exacerbate the already existing civilizational inferiority complex.


24 posted on 05/28/2006 9:30:08 AM PDT by GSlob
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To: Darkwolf377

They should learn that it is a death cult that does not permit deprogramming. There is a death sentence for muslims who convert away from Islam.


25 posted on 05/28/2006 9:52:29 AM PDT by weegee (Slowly but surely and deliberately, converativism is being made a thoughtcrime.)
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To: Darkwolf377

Sounds like the same things that attract people to Socialism and Communism.

Is it any wonder?


26 posted on 05/28/2006 9:57:21 AM PDT by Philistone (Turning lead into gold...)
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To: Srirangan

My highest probability predictions are:
- core Russia stays Christian,
- but Russia loses its southern belt to the majority Muslim countries it has long dominated, and, just as importantly,
- loses Siberia to the Chinese.
- The Causcasus becomes a no-man's land for a century or more.


27 posted on 05/28/2006 11:01:56 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine (Is /sarc really needed?)
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To: Srirangan

This has been a projection for decades now. Many of the Russian republics (not the former USSR republics) are majority Turkic. Russia has four choices:

1- Make more Russian Babies,
2- Shed the Turkic republics,
3- Kill lots of Turks,
4- or just plain accept this fate.


28 posted on 05/28/2006 11:33:42 AM PDT by a_Turk (Temperance, Fortitude, Prudence, Justice, Comitas, Firmitas, Gravitas, Humanitas, Industria..)
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To: Zhang Fei

What Russia really needs to do is shrink. It needs to give the Muslim parts of the empire their independence and put up minefields on the borders.==

You probably right.


29 posted on 05/28/2006 12:13:16 PM PDT by RusIvan
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To: kinoxi; Darkwolf377

<< i think discontent(anger) is the driving force personally... >>

And epidemically endemic alcoholism.

Sixty-five Per Cent of Russian men die drunk.

Russia, the Europeon part of which is but greater Eurabia's canary in the coal mine, is terminal and is in extremis.


30 posted on 05/28/2006 5:31:40 PM PDT by Brian Allen (All that is required to ensure the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke)
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To: Srirangan

The tribe, with the most babies; wins


31 posted on 05/28/2006 5:50:42 PM PDT by thinking
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To: Srirangan

The tribe, with the most babies; wins


32 posted on 05/28/2006 5:50:46 PM PDT by thinking
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To: kindred

Would you please explain your post 14. The reference to liberalism is what I don't understand. What I think you are saying is that liberalism somehow contributes to the "birth dearth".


33 posted on 05/28/2006 6:38:58 PM PDT by OldPossum
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