"I have the hat."
Posted on 05/28/2006 6:37:54 AM PDT by namvet66
John Kerry starts by showing the entry in a log he kept from 1969: "Feb 12: 0800 run to Cambodia." Graphic: Kerry's New Evidence He moves on to the photographs: his boat leaving the base at Ha Tien, Vietnam; the harbor; the mountains fading frame by frame as the boat heads north; the special operations team the boat was ferrying across the border; the men reading maps and setting off flares. "They gave me a hat," Mr. Kerry says. "I have the hat to this day," he declares, rising to pull it from his briefcase. "I have the hat." Three decades after the Vietnam War and nearly two years after Mr. Kerry's failed presidential bid, most Americans have probably forgotten why it ever mattered whether he went to Cambodia or that the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth accused him of making it all up, saying he was dishonest and lacked patriotism. But among those who were on the front lines of the 2004 campaign, the battle over Mr. Kerry's wartime service continues, out of the limelight but in some ways more heatedly — because unlike then, Mr. Kerry has fully engaged in the fight. Only those on Mr. Kerry's side, however, have gathered new evidence to support their case.
(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...
Well The "Snake" is back--with a vengeance, it would appear and how "sweet it is."
Many of us Nam Vets (in addition to our SwiftBoat Band of Brothers--the "real" ones) worked dilligently to help expose this phony, fraud, traitor and we would like nothing more than to put (figuratively speaking, of course) a stake through his (the VVAW and all of his/their comrades') hearts, once and for all. This may be our chance.
Of interest, is this author's remark: "Mr. Kerry has signed forms authorizing the Navy to release his record — something he resisted during the campaign — and hired a researcher to comb the naval archives in Washington for records that could pinpoint his whereabouts during dates of the incidents in dispute."
Same-o, Same-o.
Of course he's "signed it." Question is, had he "submitted it?" Or is his complete record floating around out there and I just have somehow, missed it?
2 years and how much of tah-ray-sa's money to finally find some of their own "facts"?
Even the Washington Post proved that he ran under fire, and only rescued his own guy, the one that he had dumped when Kerry squirted his drawers and fled the fight.
Kerry starts off with a lie. He always has claimed that he went to Cambodia on Christmas 1968, an event that was "seared, seared" into his memory. Also, wasn't Schachte Kerry's commanding officer, it appears for this article he was just another crewmember. Just more NYT bias at work.
Hey Kerry...put the damn form out for all to see, you louse coward.
did he ever sign the release form?
Boston Globe has it under armed guard.
There is no evidence that any naval craft were used after the early 60s to infiltrate into either Cambodia or Laos. All cross border operations during the time Kerry was in Vietnam were under the authority of MACV SOG. In the case of where Kerry was operating, it would have been an organization known as Command and Control South (CCS) based out of Ban Me Thout. H-34 helicopters were the primary vehicle used for insertions. Occasionally Hueys would be used.
The orders would have to have come through Kerry's chain of command, especially since the Army ran the cross border operations, and a request for support would have had to go from the CO CCS through MACVSOG to IV Corps and ultimately to the Navy commander in the area.
All cross border operations during that time required a top secret security clearance, and all insertion vehicles, weapons and soldiers had all identification removed. Weapons even had serial numbers removed. This was to ensure deniability.
Keyy watched Apocolypse Now one too many times....
Mr Kerry protests too much...
Kerry was in Viet Nam?
Who knew?
The more terrifying thing is that I'm starting to believe that he actually believes it.
And this Liberal lunatic was actually in the race.
Vote R.
My understanding is that he did in fact authorize the release of his records, but consistent with the slim that drips from this man, he released them only to a third party who in turn has released only selected portions to the public. He is unwilling to reveal the truth about his brief military service.
also posted at:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1639360/posts
Hey, Skerry! we have long memories and lots of hard dive space...
It is in the office next to Rep Jefferson safe from the Justice Department and citizens
Imagine if George Bush had been caught saying THIS on the campaign trail about HIS adversary...
http://www.liveshot.cc/Audio/Most%20Crooked%20Lying%20Group.mp3
His 1970 Paris trip needs to be hammered. Meeting with the leaders of the people you are at war with, and without authorization, should have sent him to prison..
Hey, Kerry, can you pull your signed 180 out of that hat and show it to all of us?
They need someone the IQ 50 and below crowd can relate to.
LLS
Why doesn't he show us the 180 so we can see for ourselves exactly what he authorized to be released?
Penned in Times New Roman complete with "kerning", I'll wager.
"I have the hat."
This guy is simply a liar and traitor. No matter how much dust he tries to throw onto his tall tales, they will always have the tin sound of fraud. He has been exposed as an evil SOB who sold out his comrades because it was expedient to his own political ambition. The more he protests, the more the truth about his service will be apparent. His entire career has been based upon lies. Now his fake persona is fractured and he can't cope with the destruction of his doppelganger self. It's hard to understand how he can look in the mirror. Disgrace and madness are a fit end for this bum.
Apparently he has submitted at least one of the three he signed. Each of them allows disclosure of his complete record (or at least his complete active duty record, the forms are very poorly filled out. They should have been sent back for proper accomplishment, but I suspect they'll just try to figure out what he intended and send out the packet). However each form only allows a "one time" disclosure to a particular individual. One named a reporter for the Boston Globe, who claims to have seen the record, the other two allow disclosure to a single reporter each from the LA Times and AP. They do not allow disclosure to the general public, nor even to the general news media, ie, only 3 of his favorite supporters get to see them.
From the second web page of the NY Times article..
"Naval records and accounts from other sailors contradicted almost every claim they (the Swift Boat Vets) made, and some members of the group who had earlier praised Mr. Kerry's heroism contradicted themselves."
This goes beyond bias into distortion. The NY Times once again has its devotees trapped into an alternative universe of liberal-spun truth. I supposed the 'almost' in this statement shields them from a slander charge by the Swift Boat Vets.
-- Joe
Kerry is proving why he didn't win....he's wierd.
Bingo.
Is he also going to find President Nixon's order for him to go to Cambodia in December 1968?
Go Kerry! Go Gore! /s
good info and response to the Times piece...
http://www.qando.net/details.aspx?Entry=3960
John Kerry is as ideologically confused as he is intellectually dishonest. Kerry's tactic is to keep shouting and denying. If the last word heard on the issue is KERRY's DENIAL defying TRUTH and FACTS, then Kerry's deceptive UNTRUTH is accepted as TRUTH. Don't let John Kerry ever have the last word!!! Remember, Maoists are brainwashed/conditioned to "lie and deny". This accounts for the "different moral codes" UK leftist Galloway referred to as "moral" justification for (terrorists) to assassinate Tony Blair.
Allegedly? They did it publicly.
Clinton or Carter could have signed off on a less than honorable discharge. On way or another he is a fraud. My favorite Kerry screw up was his claim that Nixon sent him to Cambodia in December 1968. Nixon didnt assume office until Jan 1969. I dont remember if Jacques Al-Qerry was ever called on it..
"Same-o, Same-o."
Kerry is planning another run, so Kerry is trying to get as much smoke into the air as possible because Kerry KNOWS he is dead center in the crosshairs on this one.
Kerry may also have disappeared some paperwork from archives by now. Once I would have had my tinfoil on to type that but in the America that is becoming clearer and clearer to more and more I feel I don't need it.
Where did you hear this? Who has actually seen these forms?
And possibly will be again, which is what this is story puff piece of disinformation is all about.
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. Winston Churchill
"He WON'T. Because he CAN'T."
If he has realized that another run for POTUS is impossible WITHOUT releasing the records, then he WILL release them. Or their "standins".
More's the pity.
There, that's now more correct.
Many of the members turned out to either not be Veterans at all, or veterans who never served in Vietnam, nor participated in the war in any way, other than being in the US Military, stateside or in other theaters, such as Germany.
I still believe Kerry will never release his military record. He has too much to hide. Not because of the lies he told about his Vietnam service, but because of what he did after the war.
Kerry’s Quandary
2-20-2005
So John F. Kerry has finally agreed to sign an SF-180 and release his military record. Well, don’t hold your breath, because there is no way he will ever open up that bag of worms, and I don’t think it has anything to do with a Dishonorable Discharge from the Navy as some believe.
If Kerry had been arrested, charged with consorting with the enemy, court-martialed, and given a Dishonorable Discharge during the Nixon administration, he would have worn it as a badge of courage just as he did his phony Purple Hearts and Silver Star. The court-martial would have received more publicity than the OJ trial and he would have come out of it an even bigger hero with the liberal left than he is now.
So, in light of all the crimes that we know he committed, how is it that he was never court-martialed? Just for the sake of conjecture, let’s say maybe he was arrested, charged, court-martialed, and dishonorably discharged, but the proceedings were so embarrassing to him that he would never want the details to be made public. As I have just stated, being found guilty of consorting with the enemy would not be the reason, so what could it be?
It has been made public that Kerry was under very close surveillance by law enforcement agencies and possibly the CIA for at least two years. (Yes, the CIA could target U.S. citizens before Jimmy Carter put a stop to it.) If a person with “bad habits” is under close surveillance for any length of time, their bad habits will be found out and documented. If Kerry was arrested, charged with treason, it was made clear to him that the evidence of his “bad habit” would come to light during his trial, and he was offered the opportunity to receive leniency if he cooperated, I think a coward like Kerry would have taken the bait.
If Kerry “flipped,” as they say in the law enforcement community, became an informant (rat, snitch, etc etc), informed on his leftist liberal associates in order to receive leniency, and this information was released to the public, he would be finished both politically and socially.
Kerry obviously fears the release of his military record, and it could not possibly have anything to do with his treasonous activity with communist organizations and governments, so his fear must be based on something else. The only logical explanation as to why Kerry, a documented traitor, was never publicly court-martialed is that a Special Court-Martial was privately convened. At this court-martial, Kerry was found guilty of a lesser charge, probably “Conduct Unbecoming of an Officer,” given a less than honorable discharge, his phony medals were revoked, he cooperated with government prosecutors, and the record of proceedings was never released. This would explain Kerry’s late and mysterious issue of an Honorable Discharge and the reissue of his phony medals during the Carter administration.
It’s pure conjecture on my part, but if Kerry ever signs an SF-180, not only will his less than honorable discharge come to light, but his possible status as a CIA or FBI informant, and, of course, his “bad habit.” I leave it to your imagination to determine what kind of bad habit could possibly embarrass a liberal Democrat like John F. Kerry, but if that bit of information is ever released, I guarantee you it will be enough to gag a maggot.
Bump for reference-2
I still like Fox and Friends both weekday and weekend. I just can't stand Julian.
You can see copies of the 3 he signed right here
As you can see, each one is for a "one time" release to a particular individual.
If Lt. J.G. Kerry had turned in forms filled in that poorly, his CO's Chief would have turned them back for proper accomplishment. I guess no one in Kerry's many offices and organizations has heard of a typewriter. Or discovered that the pdf version of the form can be filled in and then printed, but not saved.
What a bunch of Maroons!
Anyone who bothered to search on line for them.
They can be viewed on the Power Line site, where they were posted in June of last year.
Well, if you consider Christmas to end on Candlemas (Feast of the Presentation of the Lord, February 2) and you employ the Eastern Orthodox tradition of using the Julian calendar, it's three days before the end of Christmas. But doesn't Kerry claim to be Roman Catholic? I'm confused again, but only because I'm really stupid.
Very plausible scenario.
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