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The Meaning of 'Islamofascism'
NYSun ^ | May 24, 2006 | STEVEN STALINSKY

Posted on 05/30/2006 12:11:16 PM PDT by PRePublic

The Meaning of 'Islamofascism'

The MEMRI Report

By STEVEN STALINSKY

May 24, 2006

Since the war on terrorism began many new Arabic and Islamic terms including "Fatwa" and "Jihad" have been introduced to Western vernacular. To the displeasure of some Islamists other terms such as "homicide bomber" and "Islamofascism" have also been introduced.

An article titled "How the Right Played the Fascism Card Against Islam" on the Web site of the Council on American-Islamic Relations is highly critical of using the term "Islamofascism":

(Excerpt) Read more at nysun.com ...


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1 posted on 05/30/2006 12:11:17 PM PDT by PRePublic
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To: PRePublic

IBTZ?


2 posted on 05/30/2006 12:20:44 PM PDT by manic4organic
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To: PRePublic
Fascism - with the "state" being replaced by a "state religion" with death as the punishment for noncompliance:

Saudi Arabia - Conversion by a Muslim to another religion is punishable by death. Bibles are illegal. Churches are illegal.

Yemen - Bans proselytizing by non-Muslims and forbids conversions. The Government does not allow the building of new non-Muslim places of worship.

Kuwait - Registration and licensing of religious groups. Members of religions not sanctioned in the Koran may not build places of worship. Prohibits organized religious education for religions other than Islam.

Egypt - Islam is the official state religion and primary source of legislation. Accordingly, religious practices that conflict with Islamic law are prohibited. Muslims may face legal problems if they convert to another faith. Requires non-Muslims to obtain what is now a presidential decree to build a place of worship.

Algeria - The law prohibits public assembly for purposes of practicing a faith other than Islam. Non-Islamic proselytizing is illegal, and the Government restricts the importation of non-Islamic literature for distribution.

Jordan - Has the death penalty for any Muslim selling land to a Jew.

Sudan - Conversion by a Muslim to another religion is punishable by death.

Pakistan - Conversion by a Muslim to another religion is punishable by death. Bans proselytizing by non-Muslims. Christians regularly put in prison for charges of blasphemy.

Qatar - Islamic instruction is compulsory in public schools. The government regulates the publication, importation, and distribution of non-Islamic religious literature. The government continues to prohibit proselytizing of Muslims by non-Muslims.

Malaysia - Under Malaysian law, any convert to Christianity must apply to a shariah (Muslim law) court to legally renounce Islam. Many Christians prefer to remain silent converts rather than take their battle to the shariah courts, where apostasy or conversion out of Islam is punishable by whipping, fines, imprisonment and--in the most extreme application--death.

http://www.state.gov/g/drl/hr/
3 posted on 05/30/2006 12:21:10 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Qur'an should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth"
--Omar Ahmed, Chairman of the Board of CAIR (Council of American Islamic Relations), San Ramon Valley Herald, July 1998

Qur’an 8:12 “I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.”

Qur’an 8:57 “If you gain mastery over them in battle, inflict such a defeat as would terrorize them, so that they would learn a lesson and be warned.”

4 posted on 05/30/2006 12:22:01 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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Well, nuts. You have to pay for a subscription. :(

I don't suppose you can give us a snippet in your own words?

5 posted on 05/30/2006 12:23:16 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: manic4organic

Not sure. The Sun is saying Islamofascism is the correct term and that CAIR is whining about it. Doesn't sound like an article a troll would post.


6 posted on 05/30/2006 12:26:06 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: PRePublic

The truth hurts and the islamofascist swinw are whining about it.


7 posted on 05/30/2006 12:26:57 PM PDT by nuke rocketeer
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To: PRePublic

Gee, if they didn't use the tired old slogans of the fascists, didn't train their kids to hate and kill, and didn't ascribe to the ideas of killing westerners, perhaps they wouldn't be feeling the heat?

Welcome to FR.


8 posted on 05/30/2006 12:32:36 PM PDT by Darksheare ("Oh No! Zombies!" Actually, they aren't. They just haven't had their coffee yet.)
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To: PRePublic

"You are either with us, or you are with the Terrorists."

-George W. Bush

CAIR is with the (Islamofascist)Terrorists.

-SaxxonWoods


9 posted on 05/30/2006 12:34:55 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (Free Iran!)
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To: manic4organic

Probably not. The Sun leans right. Most likely, they are defining the term and blasting CAIR. I would be surprised to find it was otherwise.


10 posted on 05/30/2006 12:35:22 PM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Amnesia is a train of thought.)
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To: PRePublic

Welcome to FR. CAIR is an islamofascist organization, so of course they object to the term.


11 posted on 05/30/2006 12:42:06 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
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To: MNJohnnie

Draw your weapon ping.


12 posted on 05/30/2006 12:49:12 PM PDT by rightinthemiddle (Islamic Terrorists, the Mainstream Media and the Democrat Party Have the Same Goals in Iraq.)
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To: PRePublic; All
I have been covering, ( Or, as Seamole calls it...-backhoe's pseudoblog--... ) psuedo-blogging, for years, a couple of the elements in WWIV ( III being the Cold War ), in which we find ourselves engaged.

The first element?

Islam, a Religion of Peace®? ( links, blogs, quips, quotes, aggravating pictures ) is located here- click the Pic, and scroll backwards:

Does that "salute" remind you of the "followers of the broken cross?" It should...

The other, somewhat interlocking element is this one:

"Thunder on the Border," click the picture:



What is happening under the radar is that the alien lobby, certain elements of radical Islam, and some on the Left share common goals, tactics, and exploitations of our system and society.

Work backwards on my links to see all the shady left-wing and terrorist-enabling organizations backing this rubbish.



13 posted on 05/30/2006 12:50:51 PM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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Islamofascism is really a dumb term that contradicts itself. Fascism is an atheistic, corporatist, statist, nationalistic ideology created in the West. Fascism, like communism, is a progressive ideology that aims to liberate humanity from the past. Islam is an imperialistic system that is religious and internationalist, combining the state and religion. Islam is regressive and wants to achieve utopia by going backwards and rejecting modernity.

In order for an ideology to exist, one must find people who embrace that label. You won't find on earth any self-described Islamofascist. There is no "Islamofascist Manifesto" out there.

The only people who use incorrect terms like Islamofascism are neoconservatives who are too afraid to label Islam itself as the problem. Islam is bad enough. There is no need to make up a label for something that doesn't exist. Labels matter.

14 posted on 05/30/2006 12:52:58 PM PDT by ValenB4 ("Every system is perfectly designed to get the results it gets." - Isaac Asimov)
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"The Meaning of 'Islamofascism'"

A puzzle. Why do 'left wingers' aka Communists support fascism and 'right wingers' oppose it?

15 posted on 05/30/2006 1:02:40 PM PDT by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: PRePublic

In my view, Islamo-fascists are characterized by their violent hatred of the USA, and we should kill their sorry butts wherever we can find them.


16 posted on 05/30/2006 1:06:26 PM PDT by David Allen (the presumption of innocence - what a concept!)
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To: All

^^^By "we" I mean the USA as a country, officially.

I don't want anyone thinking I'm calling for personal action.


17 posted on 05/30/2006 1:07:29 PM PDT by David Allen (the presumption of innocence - what a concept!)
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To: PRePublic
Image hosted by Photobucket.com INAZI!!!
18 posted on 05/30/2006 1:42:13 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: PRePublic
"the Council on American-Islamic Relations is highly critical of using the term "Islamofascism":

So am I. I abhor redundancy.
19 posted on 05/30/2006 1:52:23 PM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: ValenB4
You are being way too literal, in the same way as those people who inappropriately decry the use of the term "anti-Semite" when applied to jew-haters of Middle Eastern descent.

Coining a word, or expanding the meaning of a word, is fair game in the English language.

20 posted on 05/30/2006 2:17:17 PM PDT by Zeppo
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To: 2banana

"Isn't it unusual for someone like you to be the Chairman of the Board of CAIR?"

21 posted on 05/30/2006 2:31:57 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY ((((Truth to a Liberal, is like a crucifix to a vampire))))
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To: backhoe

What poster has that iron cross jpg that turns the word islam into an nazi twisted cross? I would ping him IF I could only remember!!


22 posted on 05/30/2006 2:42:17 PM PDT by Lion in Winter (islamics are not religious, just set on on mass murder of non-muslims!!)
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To: ValenB4
"Fascism, like communism, is a progressive ideology that aims to liberate humanity from the past."

Fascists did not - as communists did - subscribe to materialist philosophy. They did not believe that matter is the primary reality and that economics is the kernel of society or the engine of progress.

Fascists did want to liberate Man from the past, yes. In a sense, they wanted to liberate the West from what they considered the degenerate values of Judeo-Christian history. But they also wanted to return to the past; they wanted to return to Rome, to the pagan world, to the world of war and conquest.

The similarity between Islam and fascism is more than skin deep. Both movements deny the Enlightenment, reason, equality, the immorality of slavery and domination. The only real difference is that fascists believed that their holy law was written in Darwinian Nature; the Islamofascists believe it is written in the Koran.

23 posted on 05/30/2006 2:55:50 PM PDT by Reactionary (The Barking of the Native Moonbat is the Sound of Moral Nitwittery)
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To: Lion in Winter
What poster has that iron cross jpg that turns the word islam into an nazi twisted cross? I would ping him IF I could only remember...

You wish is my command:


24 posted on 05/30/2006 4:25:35 PM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: backhoe

Yep. that IS the one!! Thanks for posting.


25 posted on 05/30/2006 7:18:19 PM PDT by Lion in Winter (islamics are not religious, just set on on mass murder of non-muslims!!)
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Here's more from that article (since you have to subscribe on NySun to read that particular piece).

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Copied from: http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/sterlingtimes/vpost?id=1142551

Unlike CAIR, many Arab liberal and reformist writers, have supported such an analogy.A Saudi columnist, Muhammad bin ‘Abd Al-Latif Aal Al-Sheikh, published a series of articles in the Saudi daily Al-Jazirah in July, attacking the ideology of the Al-Salafiyya movement (long associated with Saudi Wahhabi Islam). He said that the ideology of this movement was similar to, or even worse than, the Nazi ideology, and that it should be dealt accordingly.

Mr. Al-Sheikh cited the conference on “de-Nazification” held in Potsdam, Germany, shortly following Nazi Germany’s surrender in 1945 to serve as precedence today. He explained it was credited with uprooting the culture of Nazism from Europe and that the conference made Nazism into something similar to a crime, not just in judicial and political terms, but also in terms of culture, ideology, and the media.

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(Steven Stalinsky in The New York Sun, May 24, 2006)
http://daily.nysun.com/Repository/getFiles.asp?Style=OliveXLib:LowLevelEntityToPrint_NYSUN&Type=text/html&Locale=english&Path=NYS/2006/05/24&ID=Ar00601

A columnist for the London Arabic daily Al-Hayat, Zuheir Abdullah, blamed what he termed “Arab fascism”and “Islamism”for leading to the current backwardness of the Middle East. In an August 2003 article he wrote, “since 1948, primitive Arab fascism,” sometimes “allied with fundamentalist Islam,” has produced only “empty slogans.” Mr. Abdullah continued, “many simple-minded people and ignorant persons were unfortunately brainwashed and turned into the fuel of this extremism.” He concluded by stating the Arab world’s embrace of fascism and Islamism has led it to adding “almost nothing” to modern civilization.
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26 posted on 06/19/2006 12:48:17 PM PDT by PRePublic
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To: PRePublic

With all due respect, and hopefully not being overly offensive to anyone who reads this, but CAIR can kiss my ass.


27 posted on 06/19/2006 12:51:01 PM PDT by Dazedcat ((Please God, make it stop))
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