Haditha Doctor Was Arrested, Hates US Too

The little girl is Iman (Eman) Walid (Waleed).

The doctor is Walid (Wahid, Waheed) al Obeidi (Obaidi).

I could be out on a limb. But is this her real name?

I wonder how many girls are named Iman.

181 posted on 06/02/2006 6:06:17 PM PDT by freema (Proud Marine FRiend, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)

Thanks for the ping. There's also an FR thread on this Dr.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1601806/posts

182 posted on 06/02/2006 6:18:00 PM PDT by jazusamo (DIANA IREY for Congress, PA 12th District: Retire murtha.)

That shrapnel wound would be from the IED that many say the Marines lied about...the IED in question would be the one caused by a grenade hitting a propane tank in the kitchen.

Probably true - the sort of argument that I would expect from highly qualified and honorable military prosecutors in a court marshall.

It is great that HERE we can debate reasonable possibilities in a public forum. However, I can't help but notice the driving forum, i.e. public discourse in the MSM, seems to push everyone toward a skewed exchange emphasizing an anti-military, anti-war, anti-Bush, liberal-democrat perspective. Hence, in the case of the Haditha action, the media has aired a concocted testimony consisting of hypothesis without rebuttal that is compressed into a hastily formed assertion of atrosity.

Where is the opportunity to hear from, understand and weigh the reports of grunts and NCOs? Where is the presumption of innocence? Without the time to contemplait and weigh ALL the evidence, without the benefit of a jury of peers (Military personnel in a court marshall instead of the psuedo-intellecual, flabby-assed, arrogant, sheltered-life, civilian corp) the premature judgement of the "driving forum" is that of guilt before hearing.

183 posted on 06/02/2006 6:23:55 PM PDT by delacoert

To: delacoert; freema

One of the biggest drivers of this story (besides that sleazeball Murtha) IMHO, is the initial report that supposedly said all the civilians were killed by an IED. Now there may be a simple explanation. I honestly don't know. But that likely triggered the real investigation.

The witness testimoney, the photos from a suspect human rights group, this suspect doctor and the rest, I'm quite certain the military folks on scene were more than a little suspicious. But when that initial report didn't jive with what has apparently since been learned, that likely started the detailed follow-up.

184 posted on 06/02/2006 6:27:20 PM PDT by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)

For clarification I meant the Dr. at post #65 (Dr. Louay), not the Dr. on this thread.

185 posted on 06/02/2006 6:30:05 PM PDT by jazusamo (DIANA IREY for Congress, PA 12th District: Retire murtha.)

You are SO right...I will look to FR for information LONG before I would look to the MSM..

Nice to see you....I haven't been able to be on the computer today...so I feel like I need to be brought up to date..

Has there been any new news today??

186 posted on 06/02/2006 6:33:26 PM PDT by Txsleuth

To: jazusamo; freema; Txsleuth

Don't know how I missed this quote from the despicable EX-Marine Murtha:

Murtha contends photographic evidence of the incident proves beyond a doubt that the Marines at Haditha committed war crimes, making it critical the military take prompt action. "These kind of things have to be brought out immediately," he told "This Week," "because if the Marines got away with it, other Marines might think it's okay."

http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/story?id=2013939&page=2

Dishonorable Mr. Murtha, from a former Marine to a pathetic EX-Marine - you are my pet project between now and November.

187 posted on 06/02/2006 6:38:54 PM PDT by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)

As thing's currently stand NO! Seems more and more Republicans are nothing more than Demorat Lite.

188 posted on 06/02/2006 6:46:03 PM PDT by org.whodat (Never let the facts get in the way of a good assumption.)

NOtice how "all of a sudden" (not)....it seems that "massacre" after "massacre" is being supposedly uncovered in Iraq...

AND, ever the Prime Minister is accusing our troops of doing this "all the time".

We have Jack Murtha and Soros, and anyone else behind the scenes in the Democrat Party for starting this, and perpetuating it, over and over.

You did notice that the day he talked about Haditha was his "ANNIVERSARY" --6 months to the day, when he FIRST came out with his cut and run policy.

189 posted on 06/02/2006 6:56:53 PM PDT by Txsleuth

Seems more and more Republicans are nothing more than Demorat Lite.

I've been hearing that garbage for 8+ years, and yet I've never had trouble distinguishing between the parties. Never.

190 posted on 06/02/2006 6:59:29 PM PDT by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)

I suspect Murtha's access to photos is connected to his classified position on a defense/intel committee. He's quite capable of treasonous 'leaking' to fit his agenda. I would love to catch the EX-Marine in releasing information he could only have gotten in secret meetings. It's time to stop this crap of using democrat committee positions to attack our Military in order to attack this administration. Their hatred of this administration is guiding them to treasonous behavior that really hurts this nation and our Military. And they are blind to the reality of their treasonous behavior because they believe anything is okay so long as it empowers them. I've learned this of the democrats with their defense and promotion of the abortion holocaust (their defense of partial birth abortion was overwhelming proof) as a means to empower their political agenda..

191 posted on 06/02/2006 7:31:28 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)

To: Coop; delacoert

Many assume an IED is simply and only that which is buried in the road and tripped when a Humvee passes over it.

And many assume that is what was reported.

Not necessarily so.

If the grenade was hurled into the kitchen, then a rush into the room filled with bodies, one would certainly expect to initially think this "IED" was the cause of death. Imagine this is the scenario, and that this is when those Marines find the bodies are riddled with bullets. And realize they've been set up. And then imagine them being accused of falisfying the report.

Or imagine those in the house throw the grenade because the terrorist are shooting at them from behind women, children, and a crippled old man, and that there is fire coming at the rest outside, from a second house.

No peeps out of these folks in Haditha, no demonstrations, afterward, until a video is 'produced' (and I mean that in the literal sense of the word.)

The Ohio Reservists suffered massive casualties earlier...in August, including an ambush in which every Marine was killed, weapons and dogtags confiscated and proudly displayed on video. Ballistics tests won't be worth the paper they're written on. Exhuming the bodies is a waste of time, IMHO.

192 posted on 06/02/2006 8:08:22 PM PDT by freema (Proud Marine FRiend, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)

193 posted on 06/02/2006 8:09:57 PM PDT by freema (Proud Marine FRiend, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)

Exhuming the bodies is a waste of time, IMHO.

Don't be so sure. If it can be shown that they were killed with 7.62mm ammo, found in AK-47s, and if it can be shown that the unit was not carrying any weapons that fire such ammo, it could be quite exculpatory.

194 posted on 06/02/2006 8:11:03 PM PDT by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)

I didn't get on til tonight. Playing catchup. I was pinged to these:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1642600/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1642383/posts

If you haven't seen them, they are an anti-nausea remedy.

195 posted on 06/02/2006 8:15:28 PM PDT by freema (Proud Marine FRiend, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)

The Sunni terrorists have our weapon systems also, stolen from dead American Soldiers and ambushed patrols and convoys. I'm about to the point of declaring there's too much contrary material already amounting to reasonable doubt that these MArines committed any such atrocity. Mark this one up as a nearly successful Sunni Terrorists setup, except for the sewer rat Murtha and the salivating media whoredom for the democrap agenda.

196 posted on 06/02/2006 8:20:51 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)

OK. (Gave that up pretty easily, didn't I ? ) There was a post somewhere tonight about that.

197 posted on 06/02/2006 8:25:03 PM PDT by freema (Proud Marine FRiend, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)

Your opinions are very reasonable. I agree.

198 posted on 06/02/2006 8:34:55 PM PDT by delacoert

Thanks...that is what I am doing, catching up on pings and new threads.

I will add these.

199 posted on 06/02/2006 8:47:09 PM PDT by Txsleuth

To: Txsleuth; pissant; Coop; Velveeta; Peach; beaversmom; Lancey Howard; MinorityRepublican; ...

I blew away my ping list accidentally. Here's my latest Haditha thread list, pinged to a small subset that I could reconstruct. Pass it on as best you can. List of recent Haditha incident threads:

Questions Arise About Haditha Doctor - Wahid al-Obeidi - Central Figure In "Massacre" Case. Source: Pipeline News ^, started on 106/02/2006 12:41:28 PM by pissant.
BBC: Taking the Insurgents' Word For It. Source: NRO ^, started on 06/02/2006 12:34:36 PM CDT by pissant.
Haditha Marines and Duke LaCrosse players. Source: American Thinker ^, started on 06/02/2006 12:26:53 PM CDT pissant.
Marine Irked at Inclusion in Haditha Case. Source: AP on Washington Post^, started on 06/02/2006 11:53:21 AM by LSUfan.
Marine Brass Seem Exonerated (And I predict, so will the Enlisted!). Source: The Washington Times ^, started on 06/02/2006 11:13:25 AM CDT by kellynla.
[Vanity & Blog] Haditha, Iraq: What it should mean.. Source: JEFFHEAD.COM ^, started on 06/02/2006 10:17:29 AM CDT by Jeff Head.
Haditha reporter's and doctor's backgrounds (motives emerging). Source: American Thinker ^, started on 06/02/2006 9:10:03 AM CDT by teddyballgame.
Keeping the Faith (Some thoughts about Haditha, the war in Iraq, and historic context.). Source: The American Prowler ^, started on 06/02/2006 1:52:28 AM CDT by nickcarraway.
Haditha: Blood Money, Lies and Videotape?. Source: Front Page Mag ^, started on 06/01/2006 11:09:03 PM CDT by beaversmom.
Officers Likely to Be Charged in Haditha Killings, Sources Say. Source: ABC News ^, started on 06/01/2006 10:15:24 PM CDT by NormsRevenge.
Investigators of Haditha Shootings Look to Exhume Bodies. Source: The Washington Post ^, started on 06/01/2006 9:46:12 PM CDT by WildPlum.
See also Duplicate thread by kristinn.
Haditha Doctor Was Arrested, Hates US Too (article has different title). Source: Uruknet ^, started on 06/01/2006 8:44:39 PM CDT by Sam Hill.
Slain Marine's Kin Blasts John Murtha . Source: NewsMax ^, started on 06/01/2006 7:26:06 PM CDT by Aussie Dasher .
Haditha Reporter Was Jailed By US, Shares Name With Source (article has different title). Source: Reuters on Yahoo ^, started on 06/01/2006 5:24:18 PM CDT by Sam Hill.
New 'Iraq massacre' tape emerges. Source: BBC ^, started on 06/01/2006 5:19:46 PM CDT by Axlrose.
Freep a poll! (Haditha. Criminal act or accident?). Source: Pasadena Star-news ^, started on 06/01/2006 3:51:22 PM CDT by dynachrome.
Marine officer a "political casualty" of Haditha investigation. Source: AP ^, started on 06/01/2006 3:51:16 PM CDT by NormsRevenge.
Survivors say Marines went house to house in a rage. Source: Seattle Times ^, started on 06/01/2006 1:59:32 PM CDT by edpc.
U.S. Troops in Iraq to Get Ethics Training( Iraq opens own probe of civilian deaths). Source: The Washington Times ^, started on 06/01/2006 1:46:43 PM CDT by kellynla.
The Real Haditha The MSM Won't Tell Us (article has different title). Source: The Gaurdian ^, started on 06/01/2006 11:11:58 AM CDT by AmericanYankee.
See also Duplicate thread: The Haditha Our Media Won’t Tell You About by Sam Hill.
A Town Awoke to Slaughter (Haditha. Get your Barf Bag out!) . Source: Los Angeles Times ^, started on 06/01/2006 9:52:47 AM CDT by kellynla.
Rep. Murtha: Semper Fi?. Source: The American Thinker ^, started on 06/01/2006 9:28:55 AM CDT by Quilla.
Pentagon Haditha inquiry finds false reports- WPost. Source: Reuters ^, started on 06/01/2006 9:06:38 AM CDT by delacoert.
Marine injured in Haditha talks about massacre (see the Video Interview). Source: King5 Seattle News ^, started on 06/01/2006 8:13:43 AM CDT by bobsunshine.
Family of slain Marine doubts Haditha reports (New interview + great tribute). Source: MSNBC/AP ^, started on 05/31/2006 8:01:26 PM CDT by pissant.
See also Duplicate thread by LSUfan.
Probe Finds Haditha Killings Unprovoked. Source: Reuters ^, started on 05/31/2006 6:01:53 PM CDT by Types_with_Fist.
White House: Haditha details to be public. Source: AP/Yahoo ^, started on 05/31/2006 8:20:21 AM CDT by Coop.
Father of Marine Backs Son's Iraq Comrades. Source: Forbes/AP ^, started on 05/31/2006 1:02:15 PM CDT by pissant.
A reporter's shock at the Haditha allegation (Was embedded with Marines - different perspective). Source: CNN ^, started on 05/30/2006 2:49:13 PM CDT by gondramB.
Iraqis' Accounts Link Marines to the Mass Killing of Civilians. Source: New York Times ^, started on 05/30/2006 2:03:35 PM CDT by delacoert.
Pilotless plane took video of town where Iraqis died (Important). Source: Mercury News/WaPost ^, started on 05/30/2006 12:13:00 PM CDT by pissant.
On a Marine Base, Disbelief Over Charges. Source: New York Times ^, started on 05/30/2006 8:00:23 AM CDT by Peach.
Drone's Video May Aid Marine Inquiry. Source: Washington Post ^, started on 05/29/2006 11:45:20 PM CDT by Lancey Howard.
Evidence of massacre by Marines caught on film. Source: The Courier Mail ^, started on 05/29/2006 10:36:31 PM CDT by MinorityRepublican.
Marine at Haditha: 'I Can Still Smell the Blood'. Source: ABC News ^, started on 05/29/2006 8:12:03 PM CDT by marli
Probe Finds Marines Killed Unarmed Iraqi Civilians. Source: Los Angeles Times ^, started on 05/27/2006 6:37:13 AM CDT by billorites.

Collateral Damage or Civilian Massacre in Haditha? old (Mar. 19, 2006)
Pendleton Marine dies in explosion old -- original? (Nov. 22, 2005)
FACTBOX-Investigation into Haditha killings in Iraq
New Witness Describes Alleged Iraq Atrocity
Three versions from the surviving child (Safa Younis Salim):
Marines' families discuss Iraq incident
Military Inquiry Contradicts Marines Account Of Haditha Deaths
Military Inquiry Said to Oppose Account of Raid
PAULA ZAHN NOW: Did U.S. Marines Commit Massacre in Iraq?; Interview With Pennsylvania Congressman John Murth

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