Haditha Doctor Was Arrested, Hates US Too

Sweetness & Light ^ | June 1, 2006 | N/A

[Sam Hill]

You have probably heard by now that the doctor who examined the bodies of the civilians in Haditha after the alleged Marine rampage said they were shot in the chest and head and from close range.

You have probably also heard it reported that the death certificates of the deceased record that all the victims were shot. Here is an article which features the source for the quote and probably the author of the death certificates, from the terrorist supporters at Uruknet:

An image taken from footage shot on November 19, 2005 shows bodies in a morgue after an incident in Haditha.

Witnesses, video document massacre in Haditha US Marines killed Iraqi civilians “in cold blood”

20 May 2006

US Congressman John Murtha said on Wednesday that a Pentagon investigation into the deaths of civilians in Haditha, Iraq, last November will show that US Marines "killed innocent civilians in cold blood." Murtha (Democrat, Pennsylvania) was referring to a probe launched into a November 19 incident in which at least 23 civilians—including seven woman and three children—were gunned down by US troops. Haditha is a predominantly Sunni town 200 kilometers northwest of Baghdad in Anbar province...

Dr. Wahid, the director of the local Haditha hospital, said the Marines brought 24 bodies to his hospital around midnight November 19. He told Time the Marines claimed the victims had been killed by shrapnel, "But it was obvious to us that there were no organs slashed by shrapnel. The bullet wounds were very apparent. Most of the victims were shot in the chest and the head—from close range."

This quote has now become an essential element in most of the articles on Haditha.

Being the highest ranking doctor on the scene, Wahid (Walid) is probably the person who filled out the death certificates, or he ordered them filled out.

What we haven't been told by our one party media is some of the background on the good doctor.

Again from Uruknet:

Iraqi Doctors Beaten and Arrested in Haditha Hospital

Sabah Ali, BRussells Tribunal

October 30, 2005

Dr. Walid Al-Obeidi, the director of Haditha General Hospital and Dr. Jamil Abdul Jabbar, the only surgeon in the Haditha area were arrested for a week, very badly beaten and threatened to face the same treatment in the future by the American troops.

Dr.Walid said "they arrested me in my house in front of my family, covered my eyes, and tied my hands to the back on Oct 5 2005 morning, during the last attack on Haditha (360 kilometers west of Baghdad). They occupied the hospital for 8 days and made it their office. The first day they beat me on my eyes, nose, back, hands, legs... My face was covered with blood .When they removed the tie I could not see. They investigated me until the afternoon. I realized later that I was arrested in the hospital store. Then they tied my hands to the front, and left me for two days. I was moved then to the pharmacy department. They accused me of treating terrorists, and asked for their names.

I told them that I treat patients regardless of their identity, according to my oath as a doctor; even if they were national guards (which we actually I did) or American soldiers. And any way, if I do not want to treat the insurgents, I have no choice, because they were armed and masked. I would do anything they tell to do. Few days later, one of the soldiers came in the room, did not say anything, kicked me again on my face and left" ...

Both doctors were threatened if they do not talk, they would receive the same treatment in the future. They were warned of passing any information of the arrest to the media. They were asked who wrote the hostile slogans against the American on the opposite wall of the hospital? What are the names of the insurgents they treated? and what are the bodies’ pictures in the hospital computer?

Dr.Walid said he does not know who wrote on the wall outside the hospital, what the names of the insurgents are, because they were masked. He explained that the dead bodies’ pictures were of unknown people whose bodies were found after the fighting. "We can not keep these bodies forever; we do not have enough cold boxes. So, after two months, we take their pictures and bury them, so that whenever some one from their families comes to ask we show the pictures of the dead bodies".

The UN, the international HR organizations, WHO, Doctors sans frontiers…and all who it may concern are called upon to do some thing to help these, and other Iraqi doctors, and to prevent similar treatment in the future. Dr.Walid and Dr. Jamil believe that they may face the arrest and beating in the future. They demand that the American troops stop occupying the hospital and destroying it every time the attack Haditha. They also believe that the Iraqi authorities are incapable of protecting them.

Is it possible Dr. Walid (Wahid) has an anti-American prejudice?

[freema]

The little girl is Iman (Eman) Walid (Waleed).

The doctor is Walid (Wahid, Waheed) al Obeidi (Obaidi).

I could be out on a limb. But is this her real name?

I wonder how many girls are named Iman.

[jazusamo]

Thanks for the ping. There's also an FR thread on this Dr.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1601806/posts

[delacoert]

That shrapnel wound would be from the IED that many say the Marines lied about...the IED in question would be the one caused by a grenade hitting a propane tank in the kitchen.

Probably true - the sort of argument that I would expect from highly qualified and honorable military prosecutors in a court marshall.

It is great that HERE we can debate reasonable possibilities in a public forum. However, I can't help but notice the driving forum, i.e. public discourse in the MSM, seems to push everyone toward a skewed exchange emphasizing an anti-military, anti-war, anti-Bush, liberal-democrat perspective. Hence, in the case of the Haditha action, the media has aired a concocted testimony consisting of hypothesis without rebuttal that is compressed into a hastily formed assertion of atrosity.

Where is the opportunity to hear from, understand and weigh the reports of grunts and NCOs? Where is the presumption of innocence? Without the time to contemplait and weigh ALL the evidence, without the benefit of a jury of peers (Military personnel in a court marshall instead of the psuedo-intellecual, flabby-assed, arrogant, sheltered-life, civilian corp) the premature judgement of the "driving forum" is that of guilt before hearing.

[Coop]

One of the biggest drivers of this story (besides that sleazeball Murtha) IMHO, is the initial report that supposedly said all the civilians were killed by an IED. Now there may be a simple explanation. I honestly don't know. But that likely triggered the real investigation.

The witness testimoney, the photos from a suspect human rights group, this suspect doctor and the rest, I'm quite certain the military folks on scene were more than a little suspicious. But when that initial report didn't jive with what has apparently since been learned, that likely started the detailed follow-up.

[jazusamo]

For clarification I meant the Dr. at post #65 (Dr. Louay), not the Dr. on this thread.

[Txsleuth]

You are SO right...I will look to FR for information LONG before I would look to the MSM..

Nice to see you....I haven't been able to be on the computer today...so I feel like I need to be brought up to date..

Has there been any new news today??

[Coop]

Don't know how I missed this quote from the despicable EX-Marine Murtha:

Murtha contends photographic evidence of the incident proves beyond a doubt that the Marines at Haditha committed war crimes, making it critical the military take prompt action. "These kind of things have to be brought out immediately," he told "This Week," "because if the Marines got away with it, other Marines might think it's okay."

http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/story?id=2013939&page=2

Dishonorable Mr. Murtha, from a former Marine to a pathetic EX-Marine - you are my pet project between now and November.

[org.whodat]

As thing's currently stand NO! Seems more and more Republicans are nothing more than Demorat Lite.

[Txsleuth]

NOtice how "all of a sudden" (not)....it seems that "massacre" after "massacre" is being supposedly uncovered in Iraq...

AND, ever the Prime Minister is accusing our troops of doing this "all the time".

We have Jack Murtha and Soros, and anyone else behind the scenes in the Democrat Party for starting this, and perpetuating it, over and over.

You did notice that the day he talked about Haditha was his "ANNIVERSARY" --6 months to the day, when he FIRST came out with his cut and run policy.

[Coop]

Seems more and more Republicans are nothing more than Demorat Lite.

I've been hearing that garbage for 8+ years, and yet I've never had trouble distinguishing between the parties. Never.

[MHGinTN]

I suspect Murtha's access to photos is connected to his classified position on a defense/intel committee. He's quite capable of treasonous 'leaking' to fit his agenda. I would love to catch the EX-Marine in releasing information he could only have gotten in secret meetings. It's time to stop this crap of using democrat committee positions to attack our Military in order to attack this administration. Their hatred of this administration is guiding them to treasonous behavior that really hurts this nation and our Military. And they are blind to the reality of their treasonous behavior because they believe anything is okay so long as it empowers them. I've learned this of the democrats with their defense and promotion of the abortion holocaust (their defense of partial birth abortion was overwhelming proof) as a means to empower their political agenda..

[freema]

Many assume an IED is simply and only that which is buried in the road and tripped when a Humvee passes over it.

And many assume that is what was reported.

Not necessarily so.

If the grenade was hurled into the kitchen, then a rush into the room filled with bodies, one would certainly expect to initially think this "IED" was the cause of death. Imagine this is the scenario, and that this is when those Marines find the bodies are riddled with bullets. And realize they've been set up. And then imagine them being accused of falisfying the report.

Or imagine those in the house throw the grenade because the terrorist are shooting at them from behind women, children, and a crippled old man, and that there is fire coming at the rest outside, from a second house.

No peeps out of these folks in Haditha, no demonstrations, afterward, until a video is 'produced' (and I mean that in the literal sense of the word.)

The Ohio Reservists suffered massive casualties earlier...in August, including an ambush in which every Marine was killed, weapons and dogtags confiscated and proudly displayed on video. Ballistics tests won't be worth the paper they're written on. Exhuming the bodies is a waste of time, IMHO.

[freema]

Saw that. Nazi.

[Coop]

Exhuming the bodies is a waste of time, IMHO.

Don't be so sure. If it can be shown that they were killed with 7.62mm ammo, found in AK-47s, and if it can be shown that the unit was not carrying any weapons that fire such ammo, it could be quite exculpatory.

[freema]

I didn't get on til tonight. Playing catchup. I was pinged to these:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1642600/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1642383/posts

If you haven't seen them, they are an anti-nausea remedy.

[MHGinTN]

The Sunni terrorists have our weapon systems also, stolen from dead American Soldiers and ambushed patrols and convoys. I'm about to the point of declaring there's too much contrary material already amounting to reasonable doubt that these MArines committed any such atrocity. Mark this one up as a nearly successful Sunni Terrorists setup, except for the sewer rat Murtha and the salivating media whoredom for the democrap agenda.

[freema]

OK. (Gave that up pretty easily, didn't I ? ) There was a post somewhere tonight about that.

[delacoert]

Your opinions are very reasonable. I agree.

[Txsleuth]

Thanks...that is what I am doing, catching up on pings and new threads.

I will add these.

[delacoert]

I blew away my ping list accidentally. Here's my latest Haditha thread list, pinged to a small subset that I could reconstruct. Pass it on as best you can. List of recent Haditha incident threads:

• Questions Arise About Haditha Doctor - Wahid al-Obeidi - Central Figure In "Massacre" Case. Source: Pipeline News ^, started on 106/02/2006 12:41:28 PM by pissant.
• BBC: Taking the Insurgents' Word For It. Source: NRO ^, started on 06/02/2006 12:34:36 PM CDT by pissant.
• Haditha Marines and Duke LaCrosse players. Source: American Thinker ^, started on 06/02/2006 12:26:53 PM CDT pissant.
• Marine Irked at Inclusion in Haditha Case. Source: AP on Washington Post^, started on 06/02/2006 11:53:21 AM by LSUfan.
• Marine Brass Seem Exonerated (And I predict, so will the Enlisted!). Source: The Washington Times ^, started on 06/02/2006 11:13:25 AM CDT by kellynla.
• [Vanity & Blog] Haditha, Iraq: What it should mean.. Source: JEFFHEAD.COM ^, started on 06/02/2006 10:17:29 AM CDT by Jeff Head.
• Haditha reporter's and doctor's backgrounds (motives emerging). Source: American Thinker ^, started on 06/02/2006 9:10:03 AM CDT by teddyballgame.
• Keeping the Faith (Some thoughts about Haditha, the war in Iraq, and historic context.). Source: The American Prowler ^, started on 06/02/2006 1:52:28 AM CDT by nickcarraway.
• Haditha: Blood Money, Lies and Videotape?. Source: Front Page Mag ^, started on 06/01/2006 11:09:03 PM CDT by beaversmom.
• Officers Likely to Be Charged in Haditha Killings, Sources Say. Source: ABC News ^, started on 06/01/2006 10:15:24 PM CDT by NormsRevenge.
• Investigators of Haditha Shootings Look to Exhume Bodies. Source: The Washington Post ^, started on 06/01/2006 9:46:12 PM CDT by WildPlum.
            See also Duplicate thread by kristinn.
• Haditha Doctor Was Arrested, Hates US Too (article has different title). Source: Uruknet ^, started on 06/01/2006 8:44:39 PM CDT by Sam Hill.
• Slain Marine's Kin Blasts John Murtha . Source: NewsMax ^, started on 06/01/2006 7:26:06 PM CDT by Aussie Dasher .
• Haditha Reporter Was Jailed By US, Shares Name With Source (article has different title). Source: Reuters on Yahoo ^, started on 06/01/2006 5:24:18 PM CDT by Sam Hill.
• New 'Iraq massacre' tape emerges. Source: BBC ^, started on 06/01/2006 5:19:46 PM CDT by Axlrose.
• Freep a poll! (Haditha. Criminal act or accident?). Source: Pasadena Star-news ^, started on 06/01/2006 3:51:22 PM CDT by dynachrome.
• Marine officer a "political casualty" of Haditha investigation. Source: AP ^, started on 06/01/2006 3:51:16 PM CDT by NormsRevenge.
• Survivors say Marines went house to house in a rage. Source: Seattle Times ^, started on 06/01/2006 1:59:32 PM CDT by edpc.
• U.S. Troops in Iraq to Get Ethics Training( Iraq opens own probe of civilian deaths). Source: The Washington Times ^, started on 06/01/2006 1:46:43 PM CDT by kellynla.
• The Real Haditha The MSM Won't Tell Us (article has different title). Source: The Gaurdian ^, started on 06/01/2006 11:11:58 AM CDT by AmericanYankee.
            See also Duplicate thread: The Haditha Our Media Won’t Tell You About by Sam Hill.
• A Town Awoke to Slaughter (Haditha. Get your Barf Bag out!) . Source: Los Angeles Times ^, started on 06/01/2006 9:52:47 AM CDT by kellynla.
• Rep. Murtha: Semper Fi?. Source: The American Thinker ^, started on 06/01/2006 9:28:55 AM CDT by Quilla.
• Pentagon Haditha inquiry finds false reports- WPost. Source: Reuters ^, started on 06/01/2006 9:06:38 AM CDT by delacoert.
• Marine injured in Haditha talks about massacre (see the Video Interview). Source: King5 Seattle News ^, started on 06/01/2006 8:13:43 AM CDT by bobsunshine.
• Family of slain Marine doubts Haditha reports (New interview + great tribute). Source: MSNBC/AP ^, started on 05/31/2006 8:01:26 PM CDT by pissant.
            See also Duplicate thread by LSUfan.
• Probe Finds Haditha Killings Unprovoked. Source: Reuters ^, started on 05/31/2006 6:01:53 PM CDT by Types_with_Fist.
• White House: Haditha details to be public. Source: AP/Yahoo ^, started on 05/31/2006 8:20:21 AM CDT by Coop.
• Father of Marine Backs Son's Iraq Comrades. Source: Forbes/AP ^, started on 05/31/2006 1:02:15 PM CDT by pissant.
• A reporter's shock at the Haditha allegation (Was embedded with Marines - different perspective). Source: CNN ^, started on 05/30/2006 2:49:13 PM CDT by gondramB.
• Iraqis' Accounts Link Marines to the Mass Killing of Civilians. Source: New York Times ^, started on 05/30/2006 2:03:35 PM CDT by delacoert.
• Pilotless plane took video of town where Iraqis died (Important). Source: Mercury News/WaPost ^, started on 05/30/2006 12:13:00 PM CDT by pissant.
• On a Marine Base, Disbelief Over Charges. Source: New York Times ^, started on 05/30/2006 8:00:23 AM CDT by Peach.
• Drone's Video May Aid Marine Inquiry. Source: Washington Post ^, started on 05/29/2006 11:45:20 PM CDT by Lancey Howard.
• Evidence of massacre by Marines caught on film. Source: The Courier Mail ^, started on 05/29/2006 10:36:31 PM CDT by MinorityRepublican.
• Marine at Haditha: 'I Can Still Smell the Blood'. Source: ABC News ^, started on 05/29/2006 8:12:03 PM CDT by marli
• Probe Finds Marines Killed Unarmed Iraqi Civilians. Source: Los Angeles Times ^, started on 05/27/2006 6:37:13 AM CDT by billorites.

Related articles:

• Collateral Damage or Civilian Massacre in Haditha? old (Mar. 19, 2006)
• Pendleton Marine dies in explosion old -- original? (Nov. 22, 2005)
• FACTBOX-Investigation into Haditha killings in Iraq
• New Witness Describes Alleged Iraq Atrocity
• Three versions from the surviving child (Safa Younis Salim):
  • Iraqis' Accounts Link Marines to the Mass Killing of Civilians
  • Iraqis: Marines Killed 24 Civilians
  • What happened in Haditha?
• Marines' families discuss Iraq incident
• Military Inquiry Contradicts Marines Account Of Haditha Deaths
• Military Inquiry Said to Oppose Account of Raid
• PAULA ZAHN NOW: Did U.S. Marines Commit Massacre in Iraq?; Interview With Pennsylvania Congressman John Murth

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