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Deadly Quackery
NY Times ^ | June 4, 2006 | JOHN MOORE and NICOLI NATTRASS

Posted on 06/03/2006 10:13:16 PM PDT by neverdem

H.I.V. causes AIDS. This is not a controversial claim but an established fact, based on more than 20 years of solid science. It is as certain as the descent of humans from apes and the falling of dropped objects to the ground.

So why reiterate the obvious? Because lately, a bizarre theory has gained ground — one that claims that H.I.V. is harmless, and that the antiretroviral drugs that curb the growth of the virus cause rather than treat AIDS. Such talk sounds to most of us like quackery, but the theory has emerged as a genuine menace to public health in the United States and, particularly, in South Africa.

The theory, which we call AIDS denialism, has gained such currency with President Thabo Mbeki of South Africa that his administration is reluctant to expand access to antiretroviral drugs. Despite generous allocations from the country's Treasury and substantial assistance from foreign donors, only a quarter of those needing antiretrovirals receive them. This response is poor by the standards of middle-income countries, but it is especially troublesome in South Africa, which has more H.I.V.-positive people than any other country.

American AIDS denialists are partly to blame for South Africa's backsliding AIDS policy. Manto Tshabalala-Msimang, the health minister, has described antiretrovirals as poisons. She is supported in these views by Roberto Giraldo, a New York hospital technologist who says AIDS is caused by deficiencies in the diet, and who served on President Mbeki's AIDS advisory panel in 2000. The minister promotes nutritional alternatives like lemons, garlic and olive oil to treat H.I.V. infection. Several prominent South Africans have died of AIDS after opting to change their diets instead of taking antiretrovirals.

Another American AIDS denialist, David Rasnick, a regular letter-writer to South African newspapers, absurdly claims that H.I.V. cannot be transmitted between...

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aids; christinemaggiore; hiv; hivaids; southafrica
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1 posted on 06/03/2006 10:13:19 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

This theory is at least ten years old.


2 posted on 06/03/2006 10:19:02 PM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: neverdem
H.I.V. causes AIDS. This is not a controversial claim but an established fact, based on more than 20 years of solid science.

Bunkum.

NO causal link between HIV and AIDS has EVER been demonstrated.

None. Ever.

The association between HIV and AIDS is purely definitional, NOT causal.

Logicians are sorely needed in the press and maybe even in Medicine

Moreover, this is not a new phenomenon. Reputible scientists and physicians have been resisting the rush to judgement and the closing off of research into alternative views of this disease for over a decade.

3 posted on 06/03/2006 10:22:45 PM PDT by John Valentine
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To: neverdem
so aspirin causes headaches?
4 posted on 06/03/2006 10:32:02 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: John Valentine

The CDC has an excellent page called evidence that HIV causes AIDS. http://www.niaid.nih.gov/factsheets/evidhiv.htm

It is not a fact, since nothing in science is. But it is a good theory and it is more than correlational. There is also a causal element. Having one seems to cause the other. Plus, what we know as AIDS existed before the advent of antiretrovirals.

Please, before you discount the theory altogether, go look at the page.


5 posted on 06/03/2006 10:35:48 PM PDT by slightlyovertaxed
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To: John Valentine

What are the viable research options in your opinion?


6 posted on 06/03/2006 10:36:55 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: John Valentine
Maybe the article was written "tongue in cheek". After all, the author did say "It is as certain as the descent of humans from apes".

Of course that isn't the case. Just another schmuck parroting the NYT play book.

7 posted on 06/03/2006 10:40:34 PM PDT by isrul
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To: neverdem

Changing their sexual habits would bear more fruit than changing their diet.


8 posted on 06/03/2006 10:42:53 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Dear US Senators, Reps. and Mr. President: Why are y'all abetting the destruction of our culture?)
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To: neverdem
It is as certain as the descent of humans from apes...

That's where I quit reading.
9 posted on 06/03/2006 10:45:55 PM PDT by Imgr8t
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To: John Valentine
You mean besides all of this right?

If that doesn't turn your wheel, then you can go directly to the primary literature, and take your case up with them. For example:

HIV Causes AIDS
W. Blattner, R. C. Gallo, H. M. Temin
Science, New Series, Vol. 241, No. 4865 (Jul. 29, 1988), pp. 515-516

How HIV causes AIDS.
Spartalis MA
Journal Of The National Medical Association 1995 Mar; Vol. 87 (3), pp. 171, 173.

HIV causes AIDS: Koch's postulates fulfilled.
O'Brien SJ; Goedert JJ
Current Opinion In Immunology 1996 Oct; Vol. 8 (5), pp. 613-8.

For everybody but the fringe who have offered no alternatives, the debate is over.

10 posted on 06/03/2006 10:50:06 PM PDT by staterightsfirst
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Hey, I'm pretty sure that the HI-Five leads to AIDS, but my argument is that the NYT compares it to the certianty of evolution.

Bag analogy.

They should have compared it to Whitney Houston and crack usage, or Bill Clinton and Interns, or Micheal Moore and McDonalds. That's all I'm sayin.


11 posted on 06/03/2006 10:57:59 PM PDT by Imgr8t
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To: slightlyovertaxed

Thanks for the link. I had a discussion with John Valentine last week. I guess to no avail.


12 posted on 06/03/2006 10:58:38 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: Imgr8t
Article: It is as certain as the descent of humans from apes...

Imgr8t: That's where I quit reading.


Me too. And this is not even a matter of religious belief. What Darwin theorized was that humans and modern apes came from a common gene pool.

Humans according to Darwin most certainly did not descend from ape. That is humans did not continue to evolve while apes were static.

Heck such a view as this might require some kind of devine intervention! So maybe the writer is somekind of antiscientific religious nut? Or maybe the writer is just another ill-informed MSM hack.
13 posted on 06/03/2006 10:58:50 PM PDT by JLS
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To: JLS
Or maybe the writer is just another ill-informed MSM hack.

Yep. And clearly a homosexual one at that.

14 posted on 06/03/2006 11:05:18 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Imgr8t
That's where I quit reading.

Why do I always have to read comments like that? Anyway, you missed many examples of quackery. Here's one.

"By courting the AIDS denialists, President Mbeki has increased their stature in the United States. He lent credibility to Christine Maggiore, a Californian who campaigns against using antiretrovirals to prevent transmission of H.I.V. from mothers to children, when he was photographed meeting her. Two years later, Ms. Maggiore gave birth to an H.I.V.-infected daughter, Eliza Jane, who acquired an AIDS-related infection last year and died at age 3."

15 posted on 06/03/2006 11:09:12 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: JLS; isrul; Lancey Howard
Or maybe the writer is just another ill-informed MSM hack.

The authors: "John Moore is a professor of microbiology and immunology at Cornell University. Nicoli Nattrass is the director of the AIDS and Society Research Unit at the University of Cape Town."

Did anyone read the whole article?

16 posted on 06/03/2006 11:14:42 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

No


17 posted on 06/03/2006 11:21:00 PM PDT by sully777 (wWBBD: What would Brian Boitano do?)
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To: kinoxi
so aspirin causes headaches?

Actually, for some people it could. Some people can and do form a dependency on mild pain killers that we use for treating headaches. The body manufactures a headache, and you pop a few painkillers.

At least, I read about this somewhere a couple of years ago.

18 posted on 06/03/2006 11:21:21 PM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: staterightsfirst
Actually, I had read each of these papers long ago and found each of them misleading and esentially dishonest as to their titling.

For example, "HIV causes AIDS: Koch's postulates fulfilled," demonstrates no such thing.

For the alternative view try this link:

The chemical bases of the various AIDS epidemics: recreational drugs, anti-viral chemotherapy and malnutrition

19 posted on 06/03/2006 11:21:40 PM PDT by John Valentine
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To: neverdem
"It is as certain as the descent of humans from apes "

Interesting how the left use their strongest religious belief to prove HIV causes aids.

I read many of the studies. i still believe it is not even a virus it is more likely a Germ.
I believe they are mixing up cause and effect as rearguards to HIV.

20 posted on 06/03/2006 11:22:54 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* “I love you guys”)
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