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Mural may not be welcomed back to school
Stamford Advocate ^ | Keach Hagey

Posted on 06/04/2006 2:35:28 PM PDT by Pharmboy


Mary Ellen LeBien, former president of the Greenwich Library Board of Trustees, speaks in front of “The Life and Times of
Israel Putnam of Connecticut” in the library’s reading room. (Bob Luckey Jr./Staff file photo)

School officials are balking at a plan to return a historic Revolutionary War mural to Hamilton Avenue Magnet School after a restoration, saying its battle scenes are too violent for young children.

The mural, "The Life and Times of General Israel Putnam of Connecticut," depicts Greenwich's Revolutionary War hero stripped half-naked, about to be burned at the stake. He sits astride a wild-looking horse and is aiming his musket at snarling wolves, while all around him Native Americans hurl tomahawks and men armed with prominent guns and knives tussle. It was painted by James Daugherty of Weston.

"It's a beautiful work of art, but I think it's a beautiful work of art for adults," Hamilton Avenue School Principal Damaris Rau said. "I don't think it's something that children should be looking at on a daily basis because it is very violent."

Commissioned by the Works Progress Administration under President Roosevelt in 1935, the painting belongs to the town and was first hung in the First Selectman's Office at the old Town Hall. Five years later, it was moved to the gymnasium of the Hamilton Avenue school, where it hung for nearly 60 years, through an arrangement in which the school acted as the custodian of the artwork for the town.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Connecticut
KEYWORDS: art; israelputnam; libertarians; milhist; mural; revolutionarywar; revwar; zerotolerance
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To: VeritatisSplendor

The commander of British forces inquired as to what kind of adversary he faced on Breed's Hill that day. He was told,

"Sir, Israel Putnam will fight you to the gates of Hell!"


21 posted on 06/04/2006 3:56:25 PM PDT by elcid1970
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To: Pharmboy
Hamilton Avenue School Principal Damaris Rau said. "I don't think it's something that children should be looking at on a daily basis because it is very violent."

Just look at all the violence it has caused in the last 66+ years that it hung at the school.
22 posted on 06/04/2006 4:18:03 PM PDT by 20yearvet (they yell for more tests as long as its your money)
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To: Pharmboy

Strange that it was fine for all those years prior. Hm.


23 posted on 06/04/2006 4:19:05 PM PDT by Teacher317
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To: proudofthesouth

I think they're already doing that.


24 posted on 06/04/2006 4:29:26 PM PDT by freema (Proud Marine FRiend, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: Pharmboy

Flame away, LOL!

It's a K-5 school, and I don't really remember people going in schools with guns 66 years ago, nor did we have the $#!+ on television 66 years ago.

On the other hand..
I know all of the homeschoolers let their kids watch MTV, right? So what's the problem?

Don't mind me, I'm just arguing for the sake of arguing.


25 posted on 06/04/2006 4:38:44 PM PDT by freema (Proud Marine FRiend, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: proudofthesouth

"Here's an idea: Wrap every child under the age of 18 in cotton batting and continually feed them Valium. That way except for addiction to Valium no harm can come to them. Sheesh! This world had gone completely INSANE !! I'm sick, sick, sick of hearing nonsense like this!"

Funny you should mention that: John Brunner, himself a liberal, wrote a science fiction novel, The Shockwave Rider, about a world where that was done. It's one of the books that got me interested in computers, way back when. (It was published in 1975)


26 posted on 06/04/2006 4:47:47 PM PDT by Old Student (WRM, MSgt, USAF(Ret.))
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To: Pharmboy

I am happy to say that I am related to Old Put...my great grandmother was a descendant (great, great, great whatever granddaughter). The same people saying this is too violent would be the ones insisting we should acquaint kids with sex education at four years old.


27 posted on 06/04/2006 4:52:43 PM PDT by t2buckeye
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To: t2buckeye

Hi, cuz.

Mrs VS


28 posted on 06/04/2006 5:08:13 PM PDT by VeritatisSplendor
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To: t2buckeye; VeritatisSplendor

I am happy that this thread could get a few of Old Put's relatives together...


29 posted on 06/04/2006 5:14:03 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must)
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To: VeritatisSplendor

Hello back.. Israel Putnam's portrait is hanging in one of the historical buildings in Philadelphia (I believe it is one of the original bank buildings near Independance Hall). Also, if you get a chance to read 1776, there is quite a bit about him too...he was quite a guy!


30 posted on 06/04/2006 6:19:02 PM PDT by t2buckeye
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To: Pharmboy

Ha Ha! It's quite a reunion...glad to see that his descendants have found this site!


31 posted on 06/04/2006 6:19:56 PM PDT by t2buckeye
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To: Pharmboy

In that case, I guess we need to address cop-killer lyrics and advocacy of violence (including the violent overthrow of the gov't, and assassination of the President) in the garbage passed off as music for the young.

And video games.


32 posted on 06/04/2006 7:11:52 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Pharmboy
Perhaps you can comment on the artworthiness of this. I like it...

Great post; sorry I'm a late comer to it.

I think this is a great mural of the WPA period. Not all of these murals have survived (to my knowledge) and I think each find is great. This is quite Bentonesque: with the crowded space filled with elongated figures in several scenes per section. Very exciting, colorful, and fun.

Violent? Anyone see Lord of the Rings?! This is so tame it is laughable that people would complain of the violence.

No, this is a treasure of the time period. Yes, it should generate discussions of how stereotypes are created, the history of the scenes and how they are portrayed, etc. But it also shows a triumph of our country and all that has been sacrificed. It's great; they should be proud of it.

I also have to admit that I'm another distant relative, from a cousin of Israel Putnam's. We need a reunion for sure....

33 posted on 06/04/2006 8:35:16 PM PDT by Republicanprofessor
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Art ping.

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34 posted on 06/04/2006 8:36:21 PM PDT by Republicanprofessor
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To: Pharmboy

That's a remarkable painting. It looks pretty good right there at the library. It shouldn't be kept from the school based on PC considerations, though. Wonder if they allow the kiddies to read 1776 at skool? It would put the painting into the proper context. Thanks for the post.


35 posted on 06/04/2006 8:58:13 PM PDT by ntnychik
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School officials are balking at a plan to return a historic Revolutionary War mural to Hamilton Avenue Magnet School after a restoration, saying its battle scenes are too violent for young children.

thank god the 13 year old children with guns that fought in the revolutionary war didn't think it was to violent or we would probably not have a country today

Libertarian ping.To be added or removed from my ping list freepmail me or post a message here

36 posted on 06/04/2006 9:43:25 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: Pharmboy
I agree with the sentiments expressed here regarding children so I won't repeat them.

I'm always particularly interested in art in all forms produced during the WPA era.

Artistically, however, viewing the mural makes me almost sea sick. If it were in a library where I wanted to read or study, I would sit with my back to it.

Leni

37 posted on 06/05/2006 4:50:09 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: Republicanprofessor; Pharmboy
"We are now promoting tolerance, accepting differences and all of that, and it doesn't belong in an elementary school."

That's the key, I guess, the above sickening statement, the thing is thought to be patriotic, which isn't politically correct, and, in the name of tolerance, cannot be tolerated.

"Violence is not something you see at Hamilton Avenue School," Rau said. "And then to have it in the forefront, especially in the lobby, a picture of men hurting each other and killing each other, it really goes against my sense of what children should be exposed to."

The truth is, the Left is only against violence when it is portrayed as part of the struggle for American ideals and freedom. That portrayal has to be avoided at all costs, else the kids might not grow up to be easily controlled sheep, they might grow up thinking for themselves.

38 posted on 06/05/2006 5:20:47 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Delicacy, precision, force)
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To: Sam Cree
...the thing is thought to be patriotic, which isn't politically correct, and, in the name of tolerance, cannot be tolerated.

Briliiant deconstruction, Sam.

George Orwell, call your office...

39 posted on 06/05/2006 5:24:15 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must)
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To: MinuteGal

Artistically, I agree. It has the same emotional projection as "The Scream".

Look at there size and height of it compared to that of a child. Even as an adult, to be in any room smaller than a football stadium with that painting would make me want to throw things.


40 posted on 06/05/2006 5:35:50 AM PDT by tangerine
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