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Cardinal Pell offends Muslims, again
Ninemsn ^ | 6/6/06

Posted on 06/05/2006 1:58:26 PM PDT by LibWhacker

Cardinal George Pell has declared yet again Islam is more warlike than Christianity, this time to a US Catholic newspaper.

The Catholic Archbishop of Sydney told the National Catholic Reporter (NCR) Australia hadn't been affected much by Islamic threat following the September 11 terrorist attacks in the US, but this could change depending "on how many terrorist attacks" Muslim fundamentalists could "bring off successfully", Fairfax newspapers report.

In the interview conducted in Rome with well-known NCR reporter John L Allen, Dr Pell said "the million-dollar question" was whether intolerance was a modern distortion of Islam or arose out of internal logic.

"It's difficult to find periods of tolerance in Islam," Australia's top Catholic was quoted as saying.

"I'm not saying that they're not there, but a good deal of what is asserted is mythical."

It is the second time in a month that Dr Pell has made controversial remarks about Islam.

In early April, the religious leader commented that the Koran contained "invocations to violence" and that Islam was an intolerant faith.

The newspapers quoted Islamic Friendship Association spokesman Keysar Trad as saying Dr Pell had displayed his misunderstanding of Islam.

Dr Pell was in Rome last week for meetings of the Vox Clara Commission, a body of English-speaking bishops advising the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments on liturgical translation issues.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; War on Terror
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Just telling it like it is.
1 posted on 06/05/2006 1:58:26 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker

"Dr Pell had displayed his misunderstanding of Islam." - REALLY?

Saudi Arabia - Conversion by a Muslim to another religion is punishable by death. Bibles are illegal. Churches are illegal.

Yemen - Bans proselytizing by non-Muslims and forbids conversions. The Government does not allow the building of new non-Muslim places of worship.

Kuwait - Registration and licensing of religious groups. Members of religions not sanctioned in the Koran may not build places of worship. Prohibits organized religious education for religions other than Islam.

Egypt - Islam is the official state religion and primary source of legislation. Accordingly, religious practices that conflict with Islamic law are prohibited. Muslims may face legal problems if they convert to another faith. Requires non-Muslims to obtain what is now a presidential decree to build a place of worship.

Algeria - The law prohibits public assembly for purposes of practicing a faith other than Islam. Non-Islamic proselytizing is illegal, and the Government restricts the importation of non-Islamic literature for distribution.

Jordan - Has the death penalty for any Muslim selling land to a Jew.

Sudan - Conversion by a Muslim to another religion is punishable by death.

Pakistan - Conversion by a Muslim to another religion is punishable by death. Bans proselytizing by non-Muslims. Christians regularly put in prison for charges of blasphemy.

Qatar - Islamic instruction is compulsory in public schools. The government regulates the publication, importation, and distribution of non-Islamic religious literature. The government continues to prohibit proselytizing of Muslims by non-Muslims.

Malaysia - Under Malaysian law, any convert to Christianity must apply to a shariah (Muslim law) court to legally renounce Islam. Many Christians prefer to remain silent converts rather than take their battle to the shariah courts, where apostasy or conversion out of Islam is punishable by whipping, fines, imprisonment and--in the most extreme application--death.

http://www.state.gov/g/drl/hr/


2 posted on 06/05/2006 2:00:07 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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To: LibWhacker

If the American Catholic church had more clerics like Cardinal Pell I'd still be Catholic.


3 posted on 06/05/2006 2:00:52 PM PDT by hometoroost (TSA = Thousands Standing Around)
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To: LibWhacker

Amen!! I am glad that at least some people are willing to speak out and tell the truth. Islam, muslim, whatever you want to call it, is nothing but another ideology of hate and evil.


4 posted on 06/05/2006 2:01:08 PM PDT by yellowdoghunter (Vote out the RINO's; volunteer to help get Conservative Republicans elected!)
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To: LibWhacker

Just because muslim insurgencies make up 110 of the worlds 117 wars, doesnt mean they are more warlike. CAIR says it's just a big misunderstanding..s/


5 posted on 06/05/2006 2:01:11 PM PDT by samadams2000 (Somebody important make The Call.....pitchforks and lanterns.!)
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To: samadams2000
Just because muslim insurgencies make up 110 of the worlds 117 wars, doesnt mean they are more warlike. CAIR says it's just a big misunderstanding..s/

LOL!! Yes, just a big, huge, misunderstanding....LOL!

6 posted on 06/05/2006 2:02:26 PM PDT by yellowdoghunter (Vote out the RINO's; volunteer to help get Conservative Republicans elected!)
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To: LibWhacker
Dr. Pell offends bears by claiming they defecate in the forest.
7 posted on 06/05/2006 2:03:56 PM PDT by stop_fascism
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To: LibWhacker

What's controversial? The man speaks the truth!


8 posted on 06/05/2006 2:04:05 PM PDT by Rightfootforward
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To: hometoroost
If the American Catholic church had more clerics like Cardinal Pell I'd still be Catholic.

If they had more clerics like him, I'd convert!


9 posted on 06/05/2006 2:07:22 PM PDT by BullDog108 ("Conservatives believe in God. Liberals think they are God." ---Ann Coulter)
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To: BullDog108
"If they had more clerics like him, I'd convert!"

Amen, find a church like that I'd convert to that tomorrow.

10 posted on 06/05/2006 2:14:49 PM PDT by hometoroost (TSA = Thousands Standing Around)
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To: LibWhacker
"the million-dollar question" was whether intolerance was a modern distortion of Islam or arose out of internal logic.

Dr. Pell is as slick as a TV lawyer. "Never ask a question unless you already know the answer."

And on top of that, this is one of those "have you stopped beating your wife" kind of questions.

11 posted on 06/05/2006 2:17:09 PM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: LibWhacker
What doesn't offend a Muslim these days? It seems to be a short list. Let's see...beheadings are good. Blowing up innocent women and children, that's ok. And killing just about all non-Mulsims is pretty much a good thing, too. Actually, all death and mayhem in allah's name is golden, but everything else? Death to the infidels!!!
12 posted on 06/05/2006 2:19:06 PM PDT by GBA
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To: LibWhacker
Cardinal George Pell has declared yet again Islam is more warlike than Christianity

Well, it is. Islam is more warlike than any other major religion in the world. It's more hostile to unbelievers than any other major religion in the world. Islam's adherents are less able to live in peace with their neighbors than those of any other major religion in the world. Ignoring reality won't change any of this or make it less true. Islam is a faith in drastic need of modernization and reform.
13 posted on 06/05/2006 2:20:00 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: LibWhacker

It should be noted that during periods of Islamic tolerance, that regime was often brought down, not from outside, but from more radical Muslim elements from within. The Moors are an excellent example. The Turks might be one, too.


14 posted on 06/05/2006 2:21:16 PM PDT by AmishDude (Everybody loves AmishDude)
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To: LibWhacker
Just telling it like it is.

Hello, GW. Listen to this guy rather than your administration. I ain't a religion of peace.

15 posted on 06/05/2006 2:26:06 PM PDT by Digger
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To: LibWhacker

God Bless Dr Pell for telling it like it is. The Catholic church needs more leaders like him.


16 posted on 06/05/2006 2:29:54 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: LibWhacker

"In early April, the religious leader commented that the Koran contained 'invocations to violence' and that Islam was an intolerant faith."

Ya, and the good Cardinal is only talking about Islams intolerants to ALL other faiths. How about their intolerants within their own faith? How various Muslim sects kill each other?



17 posted on 06/05/2006 2:40:39 PM PDT by siznartuf (If I Hear "Jobs Americans Won't Do" One More ^%&^%^%# Time)
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To: siznartuf

The Sunnis in Iraq who are executing Shiite students and blwoing up Shiite shrines?


18 posted on 06/05/2006 2:43:33 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: LibWhacker

Could Pell someday be our first pope from down under? From what I've heard about him I'd be happy with that.


19 posted on 06/05/2006 2:44:50 PM PDT by marsh_of_mists
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To: LibWhacker
Dr Pell had displayed his misunderstanding of Islam.

I think we understand.

20 posted on 06/05/2006 2:45:20 PM PDT by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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To: 2banana

You know, even though I see that list posted all the time, KEEP DOING IT!


21 posted on 06/05/2006 2:46:19 PM PDT by LN2Campy
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To: 2banana
You missed today's news.

Add Somalia to your list.

22 posted on 06/05/2006 2:48:51 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: RobbyS

"The Sunnis in Iraq who are executing Shiite students and blowing up Shiite shrines?"

I think you have a bingo!



23 posted on 06/05/2006 2:53:00 PM PDT by siznartuf (If I Hear "Jobs Americans Won't Do" One More ^%&^%^%# Time)
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To: LibWhacker
Cardinal Pell offends Muslims, again

A job well done?

24 posted on 06/05/2006 2:55:59 PM PDT by aliquis
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To: LibWhacker

He's the best Cardinal in Australia's history! What a great man!

Keep going, George!!!!


25 posted on 06/05/2006 4:40:37 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team!)
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To: Stepbackandthink
Like you tagline says: "Stepbackandthink" ..almost unanimous in their hatred of Islam...
...avid antisemitism in Christianity or most of its branches


Although the rhetoric gets heated, there is not a unanimous hatred towards islam here. There is a hatred for the acts perpetrated in the name of this so-called religion of peace. I for one, hold no hatred for islamic people. I pray for them daily and hope they one day see the blessings of God we enjoy in the USA. Lastly, the avid antisemitism you talk about isn't present in Christianity - the evangelicals I know believe in that Christ's new covenant could not exist without the Jewish faith. If you want to see antisemitism on display, go to a Noam Chomsky lecture.
27 posted on 06/06/2006 7:32:03 AM PDT by bagadonutz
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To: Stepbackandthink

Step away from the computer...................


30 posted on 06/06/2006 7:44:25 AM PDT by jusduat (I am a strange and recurring anomaly)
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To: LibWhacker

It would be nice if some of our secular and academic elites were as brave and honest as the good Cardinal regarding Islam. Too much to expect from panty-wearing cowards, I expect.


32 posted on 06/06/2006 7:52:39 AM PDT by Antoninus (Ginty for US Senate -- NJ's primary day is June 6 -- www.gintyforsenate.org)
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To: hometoroost
If the American Catholic church had more clerics like Cardinal Pell I'd still be Catholic.

There is no "American Catholic church." There's only the Catholic Church. Here in America, we do have "AmChurch" which is a group of rogue bishops who are in crypto-schism from Rome. If your diocese is ruled by an AmChurch bishop, you have other options while staying in communion with the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. You should look into them.
33 posted on 06/06/2006 7:55:09 AM PDT by Antoninus (Ginty for US Senate -- NJ's primary day is June 6 -- www.gintyforsenate.org)
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To: hometoroost
If the American Catholic church had more clerics like Cardinal Pell I'd still be Catholic.

Come back home, the Cardinals don't make you Catholic, Jesus does.

34 posted on 06/06/2006 7:55:18 AM PDT by pbear8 (No Illegal Alien Left Behind - Just American Citizens)
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To: Stepbackandthink; LibWhacker; jusduat

"Yours is a different view from the majority here, which is why i try not to generalize. "

Whereas yours, for a noob, is also a different view from the majority and therefore some may generalize that you are a troll: Stepbackandthink June 6, 2006.


35 posted on 06/06/2006 7:59:06 AM PDT by bwteim (begin with the end in mind)
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To: LibWhacker
I don't see a damned thing wrong or factually incorrect in what he said.

Your faith is primitive, unforgiving and violent, muslims. Deal with it.
37 posted on 06/06/2006 8:08:12 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Support American sovereignty - boycott employers of illegal aliens)
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To: Aussie Dasher
Dr Pell

What's up with the Dr. prefix? Is it an Australian thing? While he may have a doctoral degree, the Church usually uses the Cardinal prefix for princes of the Church.

39 posted on 06/06/2006 8:17:57 AM PDT by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: Stepbackandthink
My question is, if everyone here is in almost unanimous support of Bush...

They're not. If you took the time to read through the many posts concerning Bush, you would find a healthy number of FReepers opposing the President quite vigorously on many issues. Try to find that kind of diversity on DU.

..and almost unanimous in their hatred of Islam..

Had islamic adherents not attacked the United States so viciously on 9/11 and were not responsible for many other numerous atrocities against American citizens (the Cole, Khobar Towers, Beirut, Somalia, etc, etc...) islam would find a receptive place here on FR. Islam has declared war on us, not the other way around.

..why does every argument for the invasion of Iraq start and end with "We are bringing Democracy to Iraq"?

Because that's precisely what we are trying to do. A Democratic form of government in Iraq would be less hostile to the United States and less of a troublemaker on the world stage.

Also, why do you care about Israel (most, I am trying not to generalize) when there is avid antisemitism in Christianity or most of its branches?

Israel, for the most part, has shown itself to be a staunch ally of the United States, and has taken the brunt of much of islam's hatred and anger towards Western society - hatred that would be focused even more on the U.S. had Israel not been there. As for 'antisemitism in Christianity', please provide links to support your assertion, otherwise it will be considered just another lame attempt to smear Christians.
40 posted on 06/06/2006 8:27:52 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Support American sovereignty - boycott employers of illegal aliens)
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To: Stepbackandthink
Hitler was a "Christian"

Proof please

42 posted on 06/06/2006 8:34:43 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Stepbackandthink
did Iraq attack us? Why are we there?

Saddam openly supported terrorism. That made his country a target.

43 posted on 06/06/2006 8:37:03 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Stepbackandthink
Uhhh....that was 1922. In 1940, he was putting priests and pastors in concentration camps. He wasn't even in power in 1922.

COULDN'T BIN LADEN HAVE DONE THE SAME?

Only if you believe that Bin Laden being a Muslim is only a coincidence. If you look at the recent major terrorist events, you'll find that almost all of them share that same attribute. You don't see the Lutherans bombing subways and delis. Oddly, it always seems to be the Muslims. Coincidence?

46 posted on 06/06/2006 8:44:44 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Stepbackandthink

Saddam + Bin Laden? -- Newsweek Article from 1999 reporting bin Laden - Saddam ties
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1433328/posts

Saddam Knew 9/11 Was Coming and Colluded with OBL for a Decade
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1127451/posts

Saddam Surat # 5 – Abu Nidal's Terrorism Run Out of Saddam’s Personal Office
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1535028/posts


47 posted on 06/06/2006 8:45:46 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Stepbackandthink

Iraq WMD New Documents Reveal Saddam Hid WMD, Was Tied to Al Qaida
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1523613/posts

Iraq:Intelligence backs claim Iraq tried to buy uranium
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1161341/posts

Links from Saddam to Al Quaeda
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1135522/posts

Osama and Saddam Worked Together for Years
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1327993/posts

Osama's Best Friend: The further connections between al Qaeda and Saddam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1007969/posts


48 posted on 06/06/2006 8:47:17 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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