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Paleo-Conservatives Departing The Grand Old Party
Renew America ^ | 6/4/2006 | Bonnie Alba

Posted on 06/10/2006 6:20:18 AM PDT by FerdieMurphy

Conservative Republicans held such hopes when Pres. Bush was heralded into office and the Republicans gained control of the Congress. That was then, this is now.

According to recent polls, conservative republicans are perplexed by the non-conservative actions of this president and the Republican-controlled Congress.

As I probed this latest confusion I found that I, and millions of other citizens, are f-o-s-s-i-l-s. According to Wikipedia Encyclopedia online, we are "Paleo" or "Old" conservatives. We are living fossils, 'about-to-become-extinct' hangers-on of the Grand Old Party which no longer appears to represent traditional conservatism.

The Republican Party in its essentials has been taken over by a mutation. Wikipedia describes this line of thought as "Neo" or "New Wave" conservatism. It's tenets are not really new, just enjoined by present-day politicians and citizens as the direction our nation should pursue. But it is contrary to many basic "Paleocon" principles.

"Paleocons" believe in the principles of limited government, limited spending and borrowing, limited intervention into citizens' lives, and states' rights. They also believe in restraint of foreign entanglement, a strong national defense and traditional family values

"Neocons" believe in an agressive foreign policy, empiric intervention in other nations to spread democracy, and global economic-trade policies. Weak on domestic policies, they lack emphasis on national issues. Their vision includes motivating our nation towards what I believe Pres. Bush's father referred to as the "New World Order." Include growth of government and overspending too.

Sound familiar? Now we know why the media refers to Pres. Bush and his administration as "Neocons." Many congressional Republicans belong in this catagory too.

The Republican-controlled Congress has acted and evolved in accordance with the mutant Neocon concept of overspending and overgrowing government, ignoring the burgeoning National and Public Debt approaching $40-60 trillion, most of it owned by foreign investors.

Recent crises and scandals such as social security, medicare, tax reform, earmarks, budget deficits, illegal aliens and gasoline prices gain the media spotlight for a few days or weeks. Then they seem to fade away, crammed together on the "we'll deal with you later"shelf. Always later.

My wake-up call came the morning I woke up to Howard Dean saying, "The first thing we want is tough border control, we have to do a much better job on our borders than George Bush has done." Though I knew this was blatant political rhetoric, it was shocking because I completely agreed with him.

Pres. Bush and the Congress have ignored domestic security of our homeland, borders and ports — until it was raised by the people! But if I agree with a liberal democrat, that does not a democrat make.

It is clear that the Grand Old Party has evolved and mutated which leaves a large conservative group, the Paleocons, scratching their heads and wondering what happened? I, for one, feel isolated from the GOP. The Party has entombed the Paleocons on the sidelines, bleached fossils, puzzled eyes peering at the GOP's total embrace of Neo-conservatism.

There is excited talk about Congress gearing up and acting on a few issues before the upcoming elections so they won't lose voters. I've got news for them. They have already lost citizens like this old fossil, who have reflected on the last five years of non-conservative actions.

Where's the limits on spending, limits on growth in government, adherence to the U.S. Constitution? Where's the traditional values and seeking the good of the nation as a whole instead of the corruptive influence of special interests? Yes, there are a few "Paleocons" in Congress but they are not listened to nor even heard amongst the clamor of "Neocons" and "Liberals" calling each other names.

I am a living fossil as are million of citizens, which brings me to the point. Where's the party that speaks to my conscience? I am past that retort: "Oh no! you must vote Republican or the Democrats will win!" Oh Please! I say — so what? Has it made any difference?

The Grand Old Party appears to have accepted this "Neocon" mutation, to move towards a world economy policy, open borders and the "New World Order." Why would I, this old fossil of white-bleached bones, vote for any republican candidate? No longer does the Republican Party speak to or for my "conscience."

As for this Paleocon, I am searching for a party that matches my "conscience." This is the one freedom citizens still have in this country — a citizen's privilege and responsibility to vote his or her "conscience." This old fossil takes this duty seriously.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 3rdpartyidiot; ancienttimes; bs; conservatives; darkages; getjobspaleos; gop; howarddean; irrelevant; livinginavacuum; losers; mnjohnnieisback; neoconservatives; parishandpoverty; propaganda; vote3rdpartyandlose; whitetrash
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...conservative republicans are perplexed by the non-conservative actions of this president and the Republican-controlled Congress.

Purplexed?

A polite way of putting it.

1 posted on 06/10/2006 6:20:20 AM PDT by FerdieMurphy
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To: FerdieMurphy

Bump


2 posted on 06/10/2006 6:26:03 AM PDT by A. Pole (Evolution has demonstrated that the optimal IQ is the average IQ !)
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To: FerdieMurphy
Oh Dammit ... she's married.


(((kidding)))

3 posted on 06/10/2006 6:26:32 AM PDT by Condor51 (Better to fight for something than live for nothing - Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: FerdieMurphy

Pat Buchanan was the FIRST to say that the neocons had the long-range potential to destroy the GOP (even as it wins many elections). I think his first warnings pre-dated 1988. But most people cannot understand this line of thinking.


4 posted on 06/10/2006 6:27:46 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: FerdieMurphy
President Bush, nor his father, have ever been the conservatives' first choice. It has been a matter of picking someone who was not as liberal as the Democrat candidate.

Reagan aside, Republicans have done little or nothing significant over the past decades to stop the Democrat steamroller pushing America into socialism.

Under either party spending and taxes goes up every day that Congress is in session. Immigration has been allowed to become a national crisis. Personal freedoms and individual liberty has been eroded consistantly. We are often a Superwhimp rather than a Superpower.

A complete reform is badly needed of the two major parties. The best place to start is probably with the Democrat party because it is so far into decline.
5 posted on 06/10/2006 6:30:02 AM PDT by R.W.Ratikal (8)
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To: FerdieMurphy
In other words they were never really Conservatives but merely hitched their wagon to the winning team. Now that they have been buffaloed by fraudulent polls they are, like any other rats, scurrying for the nearest hole.

Amazingly stupid. The damage Leftist can do with Judicial appointments alone in 4 years would totally undo any gains Conservatives have made for the last 20 years. A large number of Reagan Judges are going to be retiring. 7 out of 9 Supreme Court Justices were born in the 1930s or 1920s. So the pseudo Conservative will throw a childish temper tantrum because they are not getting ONLY 100% of ONLY what they want, and thus dump all over everything they supposedly believe in away. Utterly stupid and childish behavior by petulant immature fools.

But then considering how the pseudos Conservatives only post 100% of the time ranting and raving at their own side, I think it is pretty clear they were never Conservatives but Deaniac "Virtual Campaigners" lying to us about their true agenda.

6 posted on 06/10/2006 6:30:27 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (I would rather be an Iraqi in a Hidatha guarded by Marines, then a subject of Al-Qeda anywhere.)
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"Oh no! you must vote Republican or the Democrats will win!" Oh Please! I say — so what? Has it made any difference?"

The guy lost me right there. That is beyond stupid.


7 posted on 06/10/2006 6:32:45 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Liberals get up every morning and eat a big box of STUPID for breakfast)
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To: FerdieMurphy

This just seems to be typical third-party nonsense. How this idiot can sit there and yack about open-borders and how there are no Republicans to support on this issue given the actions of a majority of GOP Senators and the U.S. House indicates that facts are not relevant to this person - just make it up to cause as much potential inflamation to the readers as possible.


8 posted on 06/10/2006 6:32:55 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Beagle8U

Some see principles as an impediment to winning.


9 posted on 06/10/2006 6:34:17 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: Theodore R.
Because it complete nuts to use Pat B and thinking in the same sentence. There is a REASON your idol only got 1% of the vote in 2000. So scurry right back to your third party wacko fringe groups pseudo Conservatives. You have NEVER been on our side. ALL you do is whine 100% of the time about what better men are doing. Your types spent MOST of the 1980s ranting and raving about Reagan. All you ARE capable of doing is bitch, bitch, bitch and bitch.

Don't let the door hit your butts on the way out. You all have been nothing but a drag on the Conservative movement all along. You all will not be missed. The only difference between you and the Hard Leftist is what you want the Govt to do FOR you. Sorry but we Conservatives got better things to do then waste our time listening to you all bitch endlessly

10 posted on 06/10/2006 6:34:51 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (I would rather be an Iraqi in a Hidatha guarded by Marines, then a subject of Al-Qeda anywhere.)
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To: FerdieMurphy
The paleo conservatives are going to just love Speaker Pelosi.
11 posted on 06/10/2006 6:35:46 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: FerdieMurphy
"I am a living fossil as are million of citizens, which brings me to the point. Where's the party that speaks to my conscience? I am past that retort: "Oh no! you must vote Republican or the Democrats will win!" Oh Please! I say — so what? Has it made any difference?"

I'm not quite there yet. However, the way things look and are going, with President Bush and RINOs, I feel I'm on a "slippery slope" with banana peels under both feet and I am having much difficulty, in finding fault with this rationale and simply, throwing my hands up and saying, I agree.

12 posted on 06/10/2006 6:37:11 AM PDT by namvet66 (Beam me up Scotty!!)
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To: cripplecreek
"Some see principles as an impediment to winning"

Yes they do. They call those people Demonrats and Faux conservatives.
13 posted on 06/10/2006 6:38:52 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Liberals get up every morning and eat a big box of STUPID for breakfast)
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To: FerdieMurphy
"Neocons" believe in an agressive foreign policy, empiric intervention in other nations to spread democracy, and global economic-trade policies. Weak on domestic policies, they lack emphasis on national issues. Their vision includes motivating our nation towards what I believe Pres. Bush's father referred to as the "New World Order." Include growth of government and overspending too.

A blatant lie, and an incredibly stupid thing to say. Some of that is happening, but it is not because of conservative philosophy. The main difference between Paleocons and Neocons is that Neocons have evolved to recognize that in a world with ICBMs, Terrorism, etc. that an isolationist National Security policy does not and cannot work. We also recognize the communications revolution has made the world smaller and that the economy must adapt to it. Any Paleocon who disagrees demonstrates hypocrisy by actively participating in this by using things such as the internet and cell phones which have greatly contributed to this reality.

14 posted on 06/10/2006 6:39:57 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: FerdieMurphy

Yup, "I did not leave the GOP the GOP left me".


15 posted on 06/10/2006 6:40:20 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: FerdieMurphy

So I'm sure letting Hilary Clinton become president will be oh, so much better for conservative values than that evil "neocon" George Bush. At least you'll be able to feel smug and superior. As for foreign policy, the Islamist terrorist threat is similar to Communist threat in the Cold War. We cannot simply go back to isolationism and shutting our eyes to what is happening in the world -- not after 9/11.


16 posted on 06/10/2006 6:40:23 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Ditter

Deal with us or you're gonna enjoy it to, whether you like it or not.


17 posted on 06/10/2006 6:41:19 AM PDT by ecomcon
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To: namvet66

Well said.


18 posted on 06/10/2006 6:42:11 AM PDT by ecomcon
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To: Beagle8U
"Oh no! you must vote Republican or the Democrats will win!" Oh Please! I say — so what? Has it made any difference?"

The guy lost me right there. That is beyond stupid.

BUSH brought the fight to the terrorists...would this have happened with Kerry in the White House? Absolutely not. Would Roberts be Chief Justice and Alito an associate justice on SCOTUS? I don't think so...

19 posted on 06/10/2006 6:42:28 AM PDT by frogjerk (LIBERALISM: The perpetual insulting of common sense.)
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To: FerdieMurphy

As I recall, paleo-conservatives were twitchy about Bush from the beginning--not overjoyed. Alan Keyes and Pat Buchanan were plenty vocal in 2000. As a paleo myself, I want a conservative President and Congress. Still, I'd rather have Bush in the White House leading the war on terror than Gore or Kerry (or Buchanan). To say there's no difference between the parties is childish. It seems to me that Republicans need to keep fighting for our party--and not withdraw to thumbsucking on the sidelines.


20 posted on 06/10/2006 6:43:04 AM PDT by RedRover
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