[FerdieMurphy]

...conservative republicans are perplexed by the non-conservative actions of this president and the Republican-controlled Congress.

Purplexed?

A polite way of putting it.

[A. Pole]

Bump

[Condor51]

Oh Dammit ... she's married.

(((kidding)))

[Theodore R.]

Pat Buchanan was the FIRST to say that the neocons had the long-range potential to destroy the GOP (even as it wins many elections). I think his first warnings pre-dated 1988. But most people cannot understand this line of thinking.

[R.W.Ratikal]

President Bush, nor his father, have ever been the conservatives' first choice. It has been a matter of picking someone who was not as liberal as the Democrat candidate.

Reagan aside, Republicans have done little or nothing significant over the past decades to stop the Democrat steamroller pushing America into socialism.

Under either party spending and taxes goes up every day that Congress is in session. Immigration has been allowed to become a national crisis. Personal freedoms and individual liberty has been eroded consistantly. We are often a Superwhimp rather than a Superpower.

A complete reform is badly needed of the two major parties. The best place to start is probably with the Democrat party because it is so far into decline.

[MNJohnnie]

In other words they were never really Conservatives but merely hitched their wagon to the winning team. Now that they have been buffaloed by fraudulent polls they are, like any other rats, scurrying for the nearest hole.

Amazingly stupid. The damage Leftist can do with Judicial appointments alone in 4 years would totally undo any gains Conservatives have made for the last 20 years. A large number of Reagan Judges are going to be retiring. 7 out of 9 Supreme Court Justices were born in the 1930s or 1920s. So the pseudo Conservative will throw a childish temper tantrum because they are not getting ONLY 100% of ONLY what they want, and thus dump all over everything they supposedly believe in away. Utterly stupid and childish behavior by petulant immature fools.

But then considering how the pseudos Conservatives only post 100% of the time ranting and raving at their own side, I think it is pretty clear they were never Conservatives but Deaniac "Virtual Campaigners" lying to us about their true agenda.

[Beagle8U]

"Oh no! you must vote Republican or the Democrats will win!" Oh Please! I say — so what? Has it made any difference?"

The guy lost me right there. That is beyond stupid.

[Republican Wildcat]

This just seems to be typical third-party nonsense. How this idiot can sit there and yack about open-borders and how there are no Republicans to support on this issue given the actions of a majority of GOP Senators and the U.S. House indicates that facts are not relevant to this person - just make it up to cause as much potential inflamation to the readers as possible.

[Ditter]

The paleo conservatives are going to just love Speaker Pelosi.

[namvet66]

"I am a living fossil as are million of citizens, which brings me to the point. Where's the party that speaks to my conscience? I am past that retort: "Oh no! you must vote Republican or the Democrats will win!" Oh Please! I say — so what? Has it made any difference?"

I'm not quite there yet. However, the way things look and are going, with President Bush and RINOs, I feel I'm on a "slippery slope" with banana peels under both feet and I am having much difficulty, in finding fault with this rationale and simply, throwing my hands up and saying, I agree.

[Republican Wildcat]

"Neocons" believe in an agressive foreign policy, empiric intervention in other nations to spread democracy, and global economic-trade policies. Weak on domestic policies, they lack emphasis on national issues. Their vision includes motivating our nation towards what I believe Pres. Bush's father referred to as the "New World Order." Include growth of government and overspending too.

A blatant lie, and an incredibly stupid thing to say. Some of that is happening, but it is not because of conservative philosophy. The main difference between Paleocons and Neocons is that Neocons have evolved to recognize that in a world with ICBMs, Terrorism, etc. that an isolationist National Security policy does not and cannot work. We also recognize the communications revolution has made the world smaller and that the economy must adapt to it. Any Paleocon who disagrees demonstrates hypocrisy by actively participating in this by using things such as the internet and cell phones which have greatly contributed to this reality.

[jpsb]

Yup, "I did not leave the GOP the GOP left me".

[Unam Sanctam]

So I'm sure letting Hilary Clinton become president will be oh, so much better for conservative values than that evil "neocon" George Bush. At least you'll be able to feel smug and superior. As for foreign policy, the Islamist terrorist threat is similar to Communist threat in the Cold War. We cannot simply go back to isolationism and shutting our eyes to what is happening in the world -- not after 9/11.

[RedRover]

As I recall, paleo-conservatives were twitchy about Bush from the beginning--not overjoyed. Alan Keyes and Pat Buchanan were plenty vocal in 2000. As a paleo myself, I want a conservative President and Congress. Still, I'd rather have Bush in the White House leading the war on terror than Gore or Kerry (or Buchanan). To say there's no difference between the parties is childish. It seems to me that Republicans need to keep fighting for our party--and not withdraw to thumbsucking on the sidelines.

[Dreagon]

The problem is that the social conservatives have put the party in power, and then watched the corporate conservatives get all their concerns acted on while the social cons are put on ignore until right before the next elections. Then come election time, the GOP waves the liberal boogeyman to try and drive us to the polls again.

This time it's just not working. Either satisfy us by November or you're gone.

[jmaroneps37]

Why is it that "experts" who don't even know this site exists are the ones who are always talking stupid shiite about conservatives abandoning the Republican party?



Angry? You bet! Stay home or vote rat? Not a chance. Contrary to what that famous jackass alan simpson said about us being the " Stupid Party", we are the party who has stupid ( Simpson Mazzoli ) people like him to average out the rest of us. We are the smart party. the rat's is the stupid and corrupt party.

[doug from upland]

An aggressive foreign policy is what provides for a strong national defense.

Note: aggressive means that, if a regime is doing something that threatens our security, we give the U.N. a few months to solve the problem. If that useless body does not solve it, we solve it.

[upchuck]

According to recent polls, conservative republicans are perplexed by the non-conservative actions of this president and the Republican-controlled Congress.

I for one am not perplexed or confused or bewildered. I AM PISSED! I know exactly what's going on. Most of our Republican leaders are to the left of me. And, IMHO, the only way this is gonna get fixed is through the ballot box.

[VRWCtaz]

"As for this Paleocon, I am searching for a party that matches my "conscience." This is the one freedom citizens still have in this country — a citizen's privilege and responsibility to vote his or her "conscience." This old fossil takes this duty seriously."

I too am searching for a party truly representative of my core beliefs and that party is not the GOP. I may continue to support individual GOP candidates, but, as for the state and national organization - no thank you. Furthermore, I have been swayed back to the fold too many times in the past with grand campaign rhetoric only to be betrayed. Again, no thank you - not one more time. If the result is no different with a Republican majority verses a Democratic one, I will at least be true to my personal integrity with my support of a third party. I just have to find that party!

[mmercier]

No longer does the Republican Party speak to or for my "conscience."

ditto

[Clemenza]

"Paleocons" believe in the principles of limited government, limited spending and borrowing, limited intervention into citizens' lives, and states' rights. They also believe in restraint of foreign entanglement, a strong national defense and traditional family values

From my experience, they also believe in high tariffs to protect failed businesses, seek alliances with brain dead unionists and black nationalists (see Ms. Fulani), believe that the U.S. should stand and watch as Islamists plot against us, and, in general, go back to the 1930s, when the "right wing" movement was dominated by eccentric wealthy folks who were mildly anti-semitic and unemployed (and unemployable) lower class white folk who listened to Father Coughlin on the radio so that they could blame their sorry conditions on others.

I know many paleocons who are good people. Most, however, are miserable failures to whom life has passed by. According to a-sholes like Buchanan, my family was better off living in crowded tenenments near polluting, belching factories, largely because they were ignorantly loyal to the local parish.

Paleocons (who call Reagan a neocon back in the day) should be regarded as eccentrics at best and quacks at worst. They apparently are using the immigration issue to attract more to their movement. Nevertheless, once potential recruits actually see what the Buchanan/Rockford Institute crowd REALLY believe in, they will opt out.