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Judge Rules That U.S. Has Broad Powers to Detain Noncitizens Indefinitely
NY Times ^ | June 15, 2006 | NINA BERNSTEIN

Posted on 06/15/2006 1:41:05 AM PDT by neverdem

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To: StACase
Amendment XIV
1. ... nor shall any State...


The federal government isn't a State.
41 posted on 06/15/2006 10:59:06 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: ccmay

Fugly....Thank God for the Venona Papers!!


42 posted on 06/15/2006 11:03:12 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy ("When Cabals Go Kaboom"....upcoming book on Mary McCarthy's Coup-Plotters.)
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To: StACase

The Govt has the rightful power to detain illegal aliens lawbreakers, with or without a war going on. This isn't hard to figure out.


43 posted on 06/15/2006 1:12:31 PM PDT by WOSG (Do your duty, be a patriot, support our Troops - VOTE!)
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To: neverdem
"This decision is a green light to racial profiling..."

Goodness, I hope so.

44 posted on 06/15/2006 1:14:18 PM PDT by TChris ("Wake up, America. This is serious." - Ben Stein)
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To: WOSG

Well it certainly should have that rightful power, but it does seem to be at odds with that 14th amendment.

45 posted on 06/15/2006 1:48:59 PM PDT by StACase
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To: StACase

Government detention of illegal aliens is *not* against the 14th amendment, or our immigration laws would be a chaos.


46 posted on 06/15/2006 7:26:58 PM PDT by WOSG (Do your duty, be a patriot, support our Troops - VOTE!)
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47 posted on 06/15/2006 8:24:00 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

Of course, by reciprocity, other countries have broad powers to detain US citicizens indefinitely.


48 posted on 06/15/2006 8:36:06 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: TChris
"This decision is a green light to racial profiling..."

Goodness, I hope so.

I don't have a problem with racial profiling, but with Islam it can be a problem, e.g. look at folks in Albania, Thailand and the Philippines.

49 posted on 06/15/2006 8:36:46 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Of course, by reciprocity, other countries have broad powers to detain US citicizens indefinitely.

If they were detained on a battlefield, I don't have a problem.

50 posted on 06/15/2006 8:40:42 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: gondramB

don't many do that anyway already? oh...sorry its beheading isn't it.../sarcasm


51 posted on 06/15/2006 8:43:54 PM PDT by EBH (We're too PC to understand WAR has been declared upon us and the enemy is within.)
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To: skepsel
Just curious, but where do get that interpretation? The text of the 14th amendment just says, "...any person...", without specifying their citizenship status.

You could always start with "We the People..."

52 posted on 06/15/2006 9:38:06 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: gondramB
If this stands I wonder if this will be reciprocal - will we accept that other countries have the right to hold Americans who violate their visas (or don't have a visa) indefinitely without explanation?

It levels the field. Of the 27 nations that share a visa waiver program with the USA, virtually all of them retain the ability to detain US citizens/nationals for any reason. These are Andorra, Austria, Australia, Belgium, Brunei, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Monaco, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, San Marino, Singapore, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, and the United Kingdom*. http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/travel/id_visa/vwp/vwp.xml

53 posted on 06/15/2006 9:51:11 PM PDT by ARealMothersSonForever (Political troglodyte with a partisan axe to grind)
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping!


54 posted on 06/16/2006 8:19:01 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: skepsel; calex59; neverdem

The ultimate in 0parsing....nevermind that much (most ) of the Constitution and asociated documents arelates ( applies ) to citizens of the United states.....


55 posted on 06/16/2006 9:03:53 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Of course, by reciprocity, other countries have broad powers to detain US citicizens indefinitely.

So what's new?

56 posted on 06/16/2006 9:32:54 AM PDT by Ole Okie
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To: Ole Okie

What's new? Now the US cannot claim that it's not reciprocity. Nor can we complain that people are held without charge, bail, access to lawyers, etc. Of course, the State Department now has less work to do; they can just let US citizens stay in jail if the jailing country claims it's important.


57 posted on 06/16/2006 11:27:17 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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