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Flag burning — again (MoonBats UNHINGED-election year revival of that mother of all non-issues)
Register-Guard ^ | Thursday, June 22, 2006

Posted on 06/22/2006 9:34:21 AM PDT by IrishMike

If anyone needs further proof - not that anyone does these days - that the Republican leadership in Congress is both desperate and clueless, it's the election-year revival of that mother of all non-issues: flag desecration.

The U.S. House passed this tread-worn measure last year, and the Senate Judiciary Committee approved it last week. Even though Congress has no shortage of real issues, ranging from the war in Iraq to global warming, clamoring for its attention, the full Senate will begin debate next week on a proposed constitutional amendment to solve a problem that doesn't exist.

As if that weren't dismaying enough, here's worse news: Even though the proposal has repeatedly been defeated in the past, supporters are within just a vote or two of passing this great flapping albatross of an amendment. If that happens, it would go to the states for ratification, and it's unnerving to remember that legislatures in all 50 have adopted resolutions in support.

So, once more we rise wearily to point out the obvious - a constitutional amendment allowing Congress to criminally punish the "physical desecration" of the American flag isn't needed because no one is out there burning flags. Even if they were, the First Amendment states with unmistakable clarity that Congress shall "make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech." That applies to everything from Ku Klux Klan marchers to federal lawmakers who wear stars-and-stripes neckties.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 109th; 2006; 2008; congress; distraction; diversion; election; elections; govwatch; senate; smokescreen; ussenate
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To: NeoCaveman
As for energy, it takes 60 votes to accomplish anything. They don't have it. Chafee and DeWine are environmentalist whackos and the GOP probably doesn't want to expose them right now, since they are running for re-election.

Thanks for making my point. They didn't have the votes for the marriage amendment and they don't have the votes for the flag burning amendment. Why are they wasting time on this nonsense? Instead of taking their energy case to the public and fighting for support, they chose to crawl off with their tails between their legs

If Chafee and DeWine are environmentalist whackos why is the GOP putting their needs ahead of the rest of the party? Backing liberals with an R behind their name is still backing liberals. Why should conservative voters support big government Republican liberals when they can get the real thing with the DP?...If that's what they wanted.
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81 posted on 06/22/2006 12:05:06 PM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: tortoise
"The Republicans are playing us for chumps."

Only on Free Republic is it considered bad form to play to your strengths in politics. At least if you're a conservative.

The flag burning issue is a loser for the Left. It has nothing to do with you or the party. It has nothing to do with the politically expedient move of passing legislation. It is being used to illustrate what "chumps" the wonderful liberals are.

82 posted on 06/22/2006 1:44:18 PM PDT by Reactionary (The Barking of the Native Moonbat is the Sound of Moral Nitwittery)
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To: FreedomCalls
Hmmmm ~ interesting. I thought it was because they simply went around and recruited too many psychosociopaths into the Vopos. That way they could shoot border crossers without guilt.

Not sure the Vopos cared all that much about school anyway.

However, an argument from the "social contract" implicit in any nation-state is certainly far different than your analysis of the GDR position.

Besides, once I got a couple of other supposed Freepers to argue that there was no "social contract" and they owed nothing to no one at any time on any account, I knew I had surfaced some more of the Libertarian/Libertine crowd who have no place else to post outside of Bartcop.

83 posted on 06/22/2006 3:56:54 PM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: lugsoul
Sorry Lugsoul. You know very well that in every other thread where you and I have clashed you have always taken the Libertarian/Libertine position ~ you simply don't believe there's a "social contract" or that humans should be social animals (at a minimum).

Way back in the days when we were still unmistakeably proto-chimps, they'd dropped you out of the trees so fast you wouldn't believe it.

"Hey, Lugsoul", they'd say "say hello to the tigers for us, eh".

84 posted on 06/22/2006 3:59:13 PM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: muawiyah
Hmmmm ~ interesting. I thought it was because they simply went around and recruited too many psychosociopaths into the Vopos.

The East Germans also had a law aginst "desecration" of the flag of the DDR. And only a "psychosociopath" would claim to own a copyright on the US flag and personally own every US flag in America. You have much more in common with them than you might want to admit.

85 posted on 06/22/2006 4:19:51 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: FreedomCalls
I am afraid your comprehension of the English language is too insecure to understand what I am talking about.

Probably long past time for you to check and see if your visa is still valid, whdda'ya say, eh?!

86 posted on 06/22/2006 4:24:41 PM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: IrishMike

Yeah, the so called stupid party is at it again!
Puleeeeeeeeze dude get hold of your dumbassed self the flag burning issue is money in the bank for the GOP and a kick in the stomach for the rat, every time. It's called a poison pill bill you moron.


87 posted on 06/22/2006 4:27:34 PM PDT by jmaroneps37 (John Spencer: Fighting to save America from Hillary Clinton..)
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To: muawiyah; Admin Moderator
I am afraid your comprehension of the English language is too insecure to understand what I am talking about. Probably long past time for you to check and see if your visa is still valid, whdda'ya say, eh?!

Thanks for proving my point. You have no argument left and are now down to attacking people personally.

88 posted on 06/22/2006 4:40:14 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: FreedomCalls
And you didn't attack me personally?

Give me a break. Anyone who's had the slightest experience in reading the founding documents of this nation, or taking a good look at John Locke, etc., would know EXACTLY what I was saying.

The least I can expect of anyone on a "flag thread" is that they have read such materials and have a high level of reading comprehension in the language in which they were written, or, if not, in a language with which they are familiar.

The German Jeffersonian revolutionaries in the 1840s took the time to read and study the documents, examine the history, and come to the conclusion that the American Way, flags and all, was the correct way.

For their pains they were kicked out of their country. Fortunately they ended up in America.

89 posted on 06/22/2006 4:45:32 PM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: muawiyah
And you didn't attack me personally?

No, not at all. I compared your argument and thought process to that of the East Germans who thought the same way.

Anyone who's had the slightest experience in reading the founding documents of this nation, or taking a good look at John Locke, etc., would know EXACTLY what I was saying.

What? That collectivism trumps liberty and freedom? That's in the founding documents of Communism as written by Marx, Lenin, and Mao -- not any of the American founding documents. The American founding fathers valued freedom. They never held any of the symbols of state as "sacred" -- but the Stalinists and Maoists sure did.

90 posted on 06/22/2006 4:59:47 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: FreedomCalls
There you go again. Apparantly you are easily misled into believing that organized society, with laws and such, cannot be differentiated from totalitarianism, particularly that preached by the commies.

Time to get over it. Pot's not ever gonna' be free; sex is not really "free" ~ you'all get to pay and pay and pay anyway it's delivered (something adults know); George Soros is not a font of wisdom ~ just money he stole from the Koreans and Thais;, etc., etc., dream on kid. The world is much more rugged than you imagine ~ you need the neighbors' help to keep out the really bad guys.

91 posted on 06/22/2006 5:07:31 PM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: muawiyah
What? Pot, sex, Soros? Are you sober? What do any of those have to do with whether the state should make sacred and untouchable symbols of the state? If those are the only things you associate with "freedom" then you are in a pretty sad state of mind. Most Americans think America is the most free country on the planet -- and with that freedom comes having to tolerate others acts of freedom. Freedom of Religion means having to tolerate other peoples' religious worship -- not forcing them to worhsip as I see fit. Freedom of speech means having to tolerate other peoples' speech, even if they are expressing ideas I don't agree with. Once you start taking the symbols of state and moving them out from the world of the profane and moving them to the world of the sacred, you have blurred both those lines. You have achieved what the leftiest of the left want -- to make the state an object of worship and to diminish your God and your religion (if you have one) along the way.

"Socialism is my religion." -- Lenin

92 posted on 06/22/2006 5:25:46 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: FreedomCalls
There you go again. You definitely got Communism on your mind.

Look, your unwillingness to be willing to protect the flag is pretty clear.

It is not a flag Communists care to protect you know.

93 posted on 06/22/2006 5:27:50 PM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: muawiyah
You definitely got Communism on your mind.

Because that is what you have been advocating -- some sort of collective ownership of individual flags in America. That is Communism -- where private property doesn't exist and we all own everything collectively.

Look, your unwillingness to be willing to protect the flag is pretty clear.

No, I'm unwilling to amend the Constitution -- the greatest expression of freedom and the most ideal form of government that has ever existed -- to change it. If you don't like the way the Supreme Court has ruled, then change the composition of the members there. We are well along our way in doing that. Or you can enforce the "fighting words" aspect of burning a flag -- that is don't prosecute anyone who responds to a flag burning by kicking the little snots flag-burning a$$. But amending the constitution is entirely the wrong thing to do.

Has any amendment to the Constitution ever not been distorted far beyond its original intent? What's to prevent a future Supreme Court from interpreting the amendment to mean the flag as a metaphor for any symbol of the state and to make desecrating a photo of a Senator like Hillary Clinton in her role as a representative of the state a crime as well? That's what they did when they changed "Congress shall make no law ..." into "No government entity, at any level of governance down to the local school board level, shall make a law ...."

94 posted on 06/22/2006 5:50:10 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: FreedomCalls

Think of it more like a permanent copyright "on lone" to the United States of America to protect.


95 posted on 06/22/2006 7:59:38 PM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: muawiyah
Think of it more like a permanent copyright "on lone" to the United States of America to protect.

Once again, muawiyah has the last word.

And it's probably copyrighted, "on lone" to all of us having the honor to share a piece of his wisdom on FR.

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96 posted on 06/22/2006 9:51:39 PM PDT by repentant_pundit (For the Sons and Daughters of Every Planet on the Earth)
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To: MikeA
LOL, global warming?? This mutant thinks the Congress can do a damned thing about global warming??

Just wait til we start hearing about the new "Global Warming Superfund".

97 posted on 06/22/2006 9:58:05 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: agooga

Well said. This nation was founded on sacred ideals, and it seems that it has forgotten them.


98 posted on 06/22/2006 10:50:37 PM PDT by old republic
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To: FreedomCalls
And only a "psychosociopath" would claim to own a copyright on the US flag

Never mind that under US law, copyrights expire and enter the public domain eventually. Which under a strict definition would mean that no one could "own" it upon expiration...

99 posted on 06/22/2006 10:54:35 PM PDT by tortoise
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To: FreedomCalls
What do any of those have to do with whether the state should make sacred and untouchable symbols of the state?

I always thought the 2nd Amendment was written for the express purpose of allowing citizens to destroy the state. The Founding Fathers certainly gave that impression in their writings.

100 posted on 06/22/2006 10:57:32 PM PDT by tortoise
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