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Iraq chemical weapons too old to use: US intelligence officials
AFP via Yahoo ^ | 6/22/06 | Jim Mannion

Posted on 06/22/2006 12:50:39 PM PDT by Enchante

The chemical weapons that have been recovered by US forces in Iraq were all made before the 1991 Gulf War and were too degraded for their intended use, US intelligence officials said. ADVERTISEMENT

Republican lawmakers have cast the disclosure that about 500 chemical weapons have been found in Iraq as evidence that Saddam Hussein had a stockpile of the weapons before the March 2003 US invasion of Iraq.

But the intelligence officials, who briefed reporters on condition of anonymity, said the weapons were too degraded to have posed a threat to US forces in March 2003.

They said all chemical weapons found since 2003 were produced before the 1991 Gulf War and they had no evidence Saddam was producing or stockpiling chemical weapons after that.

"Generally they are in poor condition," one official said.

"We assess that they are not in condition to be used as designed. And detailed analysis of the toxic agents shows they are degraded and represent a much lower hazard," he said.

The munitions have been tested and computer simulation models created to determine what effect they might have under a variety of scenarios, the officials said.

Although not suitable for their intended purposed, the officials said such weapons remain a potential hazard if obtained by insurgents and modified in ways they would not discuss.

The officials, however, said they had no evidence that any element of the Iraqi insurgency has possession of chemical weapons.

"I would simply say we have seen a degree of improvisation on the part of the insurgency with regard to conventional munitions," said an official.

"They might apply that same degree of improvisation if in fact they came in contact with these types of munitions. And again we have no evidence that they have," the official said.

The weapons were found "in small numbers over time" since 2003, an official said. They were recovered in one, two or three at a time -- not in large caches, the officials said.

"We would characterize these recovered munitions as being consistent with weapons that have been not maintained, that have not been part of an organized inventory," he said.

Senator Rick Santorum and Representative Peter Hoekstra (news, bio, voting record), both Republicans, on Wednesday made public information from a classified report prepared in April on the subject by the National Ground Intelligence Center that said 500 chemical weapons have been recovered.

The intelligence officials said "key points" from the report were declassified at the request of Hoekstra, who chairs the House Intelligence Committee.

The "key points," however, ommitted the fact that the 500 weapons all were of a pre-1991 vintage. The officials indicated that the age of the weapons was not considered classified but were unable to explain why it was not included in the key points given to the senators.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cia; iraq; iraqiwmds; lyingjoewilson; richardclarkeagain; wmd
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Unnamed intel officials trying to put down the story. Are they fully informed and providing accurate info or is this the "revenge of the Clintonistas"??? Even if what this article reports is accurate, there is much more that needs to be understood about this issue and it's far from over.
1 posted on 06/22/2006 12:50:42 PM PDT by Enchante
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To: Enchante

More backstabbing by the CIA.


2 posted on 06/22/2006 12:52:17 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Memo to GOP: Don't ask me for any more money until you secure our Southern border.)
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To: Enchante

They could still be used as IED's couldn't they?


3 posted on 06/22/2006 12:52:33 PM PDT by moose2004 (You Can Run But You Can't Hide!)
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To: Enchante

The report which was declassified says that the weapons pose a threat to the region.

And the reporter really didn't do their homework so freeper jveritas has done it for him.

UNSCOM says that WMD in canisters is still viable and danger even beyond 12 years of storage.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1653841/posts


4 posted on 06/22/2006 12:53:30 PM PDT by Peach (Iraq/AlQaeda relationship http://markeichenlaub.blogspot.com/2006/06/strategic-relationship-between.)
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To: Enchante

This question was just asked of Rummy...whether these kinds of weapons could harm our troops when/if found in Iraq.

Rummy said, with Gen. Casey next to him...that YES, our troops would be in danger from them.


5 posted on 06/22/2006 12:53:30 PM PDT by Txsleuth
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"They could still be used as IED's couldn't they?"

I would strongly suspect YES, though I certainly don't know. The article does refer to such unspecified modifications that could still make them dangerous.
6 posted on 06/22/2006 12:54:10 PM PDT by Enchante (General Hayden: I've Never Taken a Domestic Flight That Landed in Waziristan!)
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To: Peach

12 years. Wow.

Listening now to Rumsfeld and Casey giving a news conf...on FOX now FYI


7 posted on 06/22/2006 12:54:50 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Enchante

AP and 'unnamed sources' are pretty much the same

story tellers


8 posted on 06/22/2006 12:55:43 PM PDT by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: Txsleuth; Peach

Ahhh, so we have yet another case of mindless MSM drones and their 'anonymous' sources desperately trying to spin a major story to protect the depraved libs. How enlightening.

Thanks to jveritas and everyone here working for actual knowledge as opposed to MSM/lib fantasies on these issues.


9 posted on 06/22/2006 12:56:05 PM PDT by Enchante (General Hayden: I've Never Taken a Domestic Flight That Landed in Waziristan!)
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WTF?? Too old to use? We are destroying stockpiles that go back to WWII and WWI today.. while there potentcy may not be what it once was... I guranatee you, you don't want to be around when a WWI mustard gas shell goes off.


10 posted on 06/22/2006 12:56:09 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Enchante
Old or not, I'm glad they are out of potential circulation.

GE
11 posted on 06/22/2006 12:56:22 PM PDT by GrandEagle
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no evidence that any element of the
Iraqi insurgency has possession of chemical weapons

12 posted on 06/22/2006 12:56:40 PM PDT by evets (beer)
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To: Enchante

First, we're told there's no WMDs.

Then, it's those that were found out in the desert were nothing more than snow cone trucks and agricultural fertilizers.

Today, the WMDs recently found are old and not of any significance despite the fact we've spend untold millions of taxpayer dollars and man hours between investigators and military.

Next, they'll tell us Saddam was a good guy... oh, never mind, they've played that card already.


13 posted on 06/22/2006 12:56:45 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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We all should expect this.

They ignore historic facts. As someone else posted earlier, mustard gas canisters from WWI are still being found and in some instances killing people. These people are added to the casualty list of WWI.

Pueblo Colorado chemical weapons depot as still being cleaned up as the munitions there, some as old as 60 years, are still viable.

14 posted on 06/22/2006 12:56:49 PM PDT by technomage (NEVER underestimate the depths to which liberals will stoop for power.)
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To: Enchante

unbelievable. Backstabbers in our own government.


15 posted on 06/22/2006 12:57:09 PM PDT by balch3
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To: Enchante

It makes exactly zero difference at all if they had degraded. We had no way to know beforehand, due to Saddaam's kicking out the inspectors, that every chemical round was not brand spanking new and lethal.

They were there, they are there and we found them. That is all that matters


16 posted on 06/22/2006 12:57:54 PM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Amnesia is a train of thought.)
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To: moose2004
Yes, But they are not " weapons of MASS destruction".
They are not nukes, or anthrax, or huge bombs.
It is a a bit like saving fire works from 10 years back.
They can still burn you, but may not blow your hand off.

I find this to be election year wanna be politics.
17 posted on 06/22/2006 12:58:11 PM PDT by Nothometoday
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To: Enchante
But the intelligence officials, who briefed reporters on condition of anonymity, said the weapons were too degraded to have posed a threat to US forces in March 2003.

Intelligent officials could be democrat lawmakers. Oops, that's a contradiction in terms isn't it?

18 posted on 06/22/2006 12:58:39 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: moose2004

Question is, "Would this guy want 10-15 of them in his living room?" As an Officer in the Chemical Corp, I took basic at Ft McClelland/Ft Rucker (God bless the WACS) Ala and were constantly warned to not sit on the groud in certain places as you'd get blisters from their WW1 mustard gas testing.


19 posted on 06/22/2006 12:59:01 PM PDT by edzuk
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To: Enchante
The Sarin found was still viable I believe.
The point is.. Saddam lied about destroying WMD's.. Something he wasn't allowed to do without UN supervision.
20 posted on 06/22/2006 12:59:02 PM PDT by divine_moment_of_facts ("Liberals see what they believe... Conservatives believe what they see")
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