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1 posted on 07/07/2006 10:05:19 PM PDT by freedom44
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2 posted on 07/07/2006 10:05:42 PM PDT by freedom44
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"The Bible gives us a compass direction here, and it is not in the direction of Turkey. Instead it points directly towards Iran,"

It does?
Where does the Bible give a compass direction?
Genesis DOES mention Mt. Ararat.


3 posted on 07/07/2006 10:10:44 PM PDT by Vicomte13 (Paris vaut bien une messe.)
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donkeys never range far from home....


4 posted on 07/07/2006 10:11:08 PM PDT by LeoWindhorse (strive on with heedfulness)
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The pictures I have seen almost certainly appear to be of petrified wood.


5 posted on 07/07/2006 10:11:14 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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VERY interesting that the National Geographic is picking this up. I've read about it lately here on FR via Christian publications, but the NG writing about it gives it more weight for the mainstream, I should guess. Wonderful if it is proven scientifically.
8 posted on 07/07/2006 10:16:21 PM PDT by JennysCool (Roll out the Canarble Wagon!)
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"Wood will only survive for thousands of years if it is buried in very wet conditions or remains in an extremely arid environment," he said."

Which is something one would NOT expect to find near a boat after a flood?

-PJ

14 posted on 07/07/2006 10:32:22 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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What a load.

Explain how the sloth got back to S. America or how the pandas and koalas ate when there was no food. Better yet, how did all the animals make it back without food.

And no, you can't cop out and say "It's a miracle!"


15 posted on 07/07/2006 10:33:41 PM PDT by Central Scrutiniser ("You can't really dust for vomit.")
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This is why many intelligent people pass the entire bible off as mere children's fables, this noah's ark nonsense in particular. There is NO, repeat NO, evidence for a world wide flood 7000 years ago. If all animals, 2 x 2, left the ark, why are kangaroos found only in australia? And yet in the tale itself is found the small grain of truth of survival at sea : and the water prevailed upward 15 cubits(the height of noah's fruit trees-22 feet). The storm surge of a hurricane is just that, 20 ft......Thus, the true story : noah was a farmer/orchard type living in the Indus River region(today's Pakistan). He, his father, grandfather, had been flooded out before, the Indus River, unlike the Nile, floods irregularly. So he built a 3 layer LOG RAFT with goat skin tent on the high point of his land, 4.5 ft high, 8 ft wide, 45 ft long. Along comes a cat 4 or 5 hurricane(cyclone in them parts)with its FOUR days of rain and storm surge. Remember, this is 7000 years ago = different polar jet stream. Jews always play with decimals : 4 days become 40 days of rain......So all the critters head for the raft(dogs, cats, sheep, goats, snakes, doves....)as the water rises. It gets washed out to sea where, from his limited perspective, the earth is covered with water. The CCW gyre in the gulf of arabia eventually washes the raft back onto an outer sand bar and they have to wait for low tide to wade to the true shore. He goes back to life as before, most of the neighborhood having been wahed away in the CAMILLE hurricane.....Seven generations go by and his illiterate descendents are sitting around a campfire in iraq high on the local brew, where everyone is a GOD or son of GOD, macho myths abound. So, in telling fish stories this old family story gets jazzed up a bit. Survival at sea doesn't sound too impressive so the raft lands on top of Mt Ararat, if they had known about Mt Everest it would have landed there......Bump up dimensions by a decimal place. Bump up 4 days of rain to 40 days. The dove incident. A few surviving sheep, goats, dogs....becomes all the animals on the earth. On and on this fish story/myth gets built. One or more children buy it[You can convince a 5 year old of anything, a 95 year old of nothing-Marilyn Von Savant-IQ=230].....Another 7 generations go by and a young pakistani boy named ABRAM swallows the whole myth, hook, line and sinker. And that's how you get the noah story, a true tale of sea survival(a Reader's Digest book section) jazzed up by proto-jews into a myth...and IDIOTS finding noah's ark on Mt Ararat. The search for GOD is the search for truth, not ancient lies....


20 posted on 07/07/2006 10:39:24 PM PDT by timer
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:-) and they walked on 2 by 2


24 posted on 07/07/2006 11:02:41 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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Thanks freedom44. Not going to ping this one, because we've had one or two before this.

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31 posted on 07/07/2006 11:30:53 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Wednesday, June 21, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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32 posted on 07/07/2006 11:31:46 PM PDT by rake (Okinawa!)
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Catastrophism

38 posted on 07/07/2006 11:51:40 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Wednesday, June 21, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Team believes it found Noah's Ark (In Iran)
WorldNetDaily.com | 6/30/06 | WorldNetDaily
Posted on 06/30/2006 11:26:43 AM EDT by DannyTN
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1658435/posts

Noah’s Ark, Pieces Intact, Found
Koenig's International News | 6/14/06 | Bill Wilson
Posted on 06/15/2006 10:56:07 AM EDT by Michael_Michaelangelo
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/1649864/posts

and an oldie:

New photo resparks 'Noah's Ark mania'
WorldNetDaily.com | March 10, 2006 1:00 a.m. Eastern | Joe Kovacs
Posted on 03/10/2006 2:30:41 AM EST by Tim Long
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1593672/posts


40 posted on 07/07/2006 11:52:56 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Wednesday, June 21, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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The story of Noah's ark is told in three major world religions: Christianity, Judaism, and Islam.

Uhh, don't know about TROP, but in the other two, it's the same story.
41 posted on 07/07/2006 11:54:12 PM PDT by tang-soo (Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks - Read Daniel Chapter 9)
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Bridge, the Oxford timber specialist, points out that it would also be impossible for a boat to run aground at 13,000 feet.

Using this same logic however, sea shells should not be found above 13,000 feet, but they still are.

"If you put all the water in the world together, melting both the ice caps and all the glaciers, you still wouldn't reach anywhere near the top of the mountain," he said.

Using this same logic, there should be not evidence of water ever being above where it could reach today if all the ice caps and glaciers were melted. But there is evidence of water being above this limitation.

Obviously, he failed to tell you that those who think there was an earth covering flood of Noah's day, believe the mountains were not nearly as high and the ocean valleys were not nearly as deep before the catastrophe of the flood.

Oxford professor Bridge knows this, but he didn't mention it for obvious personal reasons.

44 posted on 07/07/2006 11:58:57 PM PDT by Old Landmarks (No fear of man, none!)
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hmm... I'm no geologist, but I've done plenty of rockhounding in my days and I've seen rocks and outcrops looking just like these in many, many places. And it's called shale. Sorry. But anybody who has ever gone hiking around bedded shales or mudstones will recognize these rocks in a flash. Oh well.


47 posted on 07/08/2006 12:03:20 AM PDT by verum ago (Proper foreign policy makes loud noises.)
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The problem here is that this expedition's purpose was to find the Ark, and that they were trying to do so in an environment resembling a 3D rorschach test. And guess what they found...
If one looks hard enough for anything, they will find it regardless of whether it is really there.


61 posted on 07/08/2006 12:34:01 AM PDT by verum ago (Proper foreign policy makes loud noises.)
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"petrified wood"

Doesn't it take many (millions?) years for wood to petrify?
101 posted on 07/08/2006 1:20:38 AM PDT by dakine
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"If you put all the water in the world together, melting both the ice caps and all the glaciers, you still wouldn't reach anywhere near the top of the mountain," he said.


According to the bible the water came from WITHIN the earth"..the vaults of the great deep opened..."


130 posted on 07/08/2006 4:03:16 AM PDT by TalBlack
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Yeah.

And they just found Moses' staff outside Jerusalem.


144 posted on 07/08/2006 5:11:45 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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