Posted on 07/08/2006 10:00:45 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
Sacramento -- Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, as part of a plan costing at least $3.6 billion to alleviate overcrowding in California prisons, is proposing to free up space by contracting with other states to house 5,000 incarcerated illegal immigrants.
A detailed outline of the governor's prison agenda, released Friday, also says the corrections department needs to add more than 51,000 beds -- the equivalent of at least 10 large prisons -- during the next 15 years and offers new insights into the stresses put on a 33-prison system that is operating at nearly 200 percent capacity.
One new proposal is a stark indicator of how dire the state's overcrowding problem has become: The administration wants to limit the number of times inmates can flush toilets as a way to ease environmental problems caused by overtaxed wastewater systems. Officials are even considering reducing the amount of drinking water in prisons because of shortages of fresh water.
The report provides new details of ideas Schwarzenegger mentioned last week when he called for a special legislative session to deal with overcrowding, puts a price tag on some of the proposals and includes several short-term fixes administration officials believe can be made in the next year.
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One part of the governor's plan would deal with the fact that California houses in its prisons as many as 20,000 illegal immigrants who have been convicted of crimes.
Schwarzenegger officials said Friday that states like Louisiana, Texas, Michigan and Indiana have available prison beds and that they will seek contracts with those states to send inmates there. The administration would have to change a state law requiring an inmate's permission to be sent out of state, ...
The new legislation would allow the state to ship illegal immigrants out of state without their approval.
(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...
Hey Arnie -- at the same time, how about Feinstein, Boxer and Pelosi too. And as many of thier socialist ilk as you can round up.
Thanks!
Illegals are a federal problem; therefore, they should be housed in federal prisons. The ones whose sentences are less than 5 years should be deported immediately.
Let's outsource them to Iraq or some other country that needs the money to help raise their standard of living.
Why not deport them out of the country .. instead to another state?
One of his defeated initiatives involved the public employees unions which would include the prison guards.
More than one way to skin a cat.
Next up, privatization of the schools.
Okay, there's NO WAY things have gotten that bad in California. I'm not buying it.
Please, Arnold, send them off to the tender mercies of Sheriff Arpaio in Phoenix! By the time he's finished with them they'll be happy to be back in Mexico permanently!
How many old Navy ships and in particuliar troop ships are in mothball at various places.
Put the prisoners in these ships with minimal renovation and have armed guards with shoot to kill orders insuring that no prisoners get off the anchored ships.
Put those in jail for minor problems in fire fighting gangs er groups, grafetti removal and street cleaning in our major cities.
Export the job to China or a similiar country.
They have to make sure there's plenty to water the golf courses and lawns built in the friggin desert
"Why not deport them out of the country .. instead to another state?"
Regardless of the crime they were sentenced for?
There has been talk of building prisons in mexico for some time, now. This is probably an article designed to get people to think that way.
"Please, Arnold, send them off to the tender mercies of Sheriff Arpaio in Phoenix!"
You think its bad enough for CA to be threatened with the Feds coming in? Sending them to Maricopa County would be even worse. Arpaio has one of the worst civil court records of judgments against him then any other sheriff in comparison.
we still need a huge wall to keep them out...
Nothing about the abuse issue in the article? Is this Arnold's response to the threat by the Feds to come in and take over?
Southern California has always had water problems because it's a desert.
A desert that 18 bazillion people decided to live in.
But if it's necessary to restrict toilet flushing and fresh water for drinking in prisons there, I want to hear a lot more stories about car washes being shut down, lawns not being watered, and golf courses turning into dust and sand.
It would depend on the nature of the crime
But yes ... deport majority of them
Thanks for the clarification.
The issue isn't the effect on the environment, the issue is surrounding the use of water and the disposal of it in an overcrowded prison and the problems as to resources it will bring with it.
Meanwhile, Arpaio's methods are such that very few of his prisoners want to visit him again. I think it's a great solution. The ACLU may hate Arpaio: all the more reason for me to praise him!
"Why should CA taxpayers pay to build prisons for illegals?"
If that's the case, then why should those of us who reside in Maricopa County in AZ?
There's alot of negative stuff about Arpaio that gets missed by those who claim blind obedience.
"Arpaio's methods are such that very few of his prisoners want to visit him again."
Arpaio's recidism rates aren't any better than anybody else's.
Schwartzenegger should just call up Bush and tell him that he is flying boatloads of violent criminals to Washington and the feds can either pick them up at the airport or they can be free to roam the streets of Washington.
Wouldn't there be a jurisdictional issue surrounding the housing of state criminals in a federal prison? Not that a federal law couldn't be enacted but I believe it would have to be first before something like that could be done.
Is this Arnold's response to the threat by the Feds to come in and take over?
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California has no shortage of issues bordering on crises facing it.
Is this a response to the fed thread? -- Partly,, These are just a few of the actions being proposed to placate Fed concerns.
We'll have to see what comes out of the other end of the Sacramento cuisinart we call a state legislature and how palatable it is to the feds and taxpayers pocketbooks.
Oh, for pete's sake.
Some things make my eyeballs roll like a slot machine.
If there is a downturn in the Cruise ship industry, we could bring back the prison ships!
Imagine the reality show, so popular in San Francisco....
"The Buggery Boat, passing disease to everyone!"
"One of his defeated initiatives involved the public employees unions which would include the prison guards.
More than one way to skin a cat.
Next up, privatization of the schools."
You got that right ... Arnold is no dummy
But the Unions will be howling that he's exporting jobs -
Getting some cheap Texas labor to do the job that Californians won't do ...
We learn new things every day... the drinking and flushing water was a new one on me as well. :-)
I thought one of the issues surrounding the Feds concern was the corruption and abuse brought out by COs and how the union is protecting them? Why wasn't any of that in the article?
a lot of it is likely reclaimed water, so you would think the more the inmates flush, the greener the courses and lawns will stay. ;-)
If those people weren't in prison, they'd be taking longer showers, watering their lawns and washing their cars.
If anything, prisons conserve water. So, I'm just not buying this as a reason.
" ... so you would think the more the inmates flush, the greener the courses and lawns will stay..."
Wastewater treatment sewage treatment plants cost big bucks to build.
could we import some Texas politicians while we're at it.? lol
I don't particularly care. In my opinion illegal aliens are invaders and have no consitutional right not to be shipped anywhere in the united states to serve out convictions for crimes committed in the united states.
Frankly I would see no problem in contracting with Guatemala to house Mexican illegal alien convicts and contracting with Mexico to house Guatemalan convicts. I suspect that if we had that kind of arrangement we would see a dramatic decrease in crime levels amongst the illegal alien population.
"If those people weren't in prison, they'd be taking longer showers, watering their lawns and washing their cars."
Maybe so, but sewage treatment plants are local.
I know,, no cheap solution lies ahead, anyway ya cut it, somebody (ie: US) will pay for it, or .. who knows?
hence why this coming to a head in an election year may come back to bite more thna a few politicos in the butt..
saying "I will never raise taxes" is a noble statement to have made and likely to endear him to many voters, yet..
the alternative off set of borrowing more money has to be weighed pretty carefully as well.
Plugging up and then over-flushing prison plumbing is high on the list of inmates' amusing diversions. And another endemic problem is creating a false high from ingesting too much water.
I know the issue surrounding water use and resources seems silly but the Feds are threatening to go in and it seems its an issue to them.
The st of CA is gonna to have to fix them or else the Feds will see they're fixed.
Is this like exchanging pollution credits?
Maybe you mean recidivism. You've already succeeded in hijacking the thread. Why don't you go ahead and prove your assertions? Here's a view that differs from yours: give me factual and demonstrable proof it's wrong. Arpaio
I thought one of the issues surrounding the Feds concern was the corruption and abuse brought out by COs and how the union is protecting them? Why wasn't any of that in the article?
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Have to ask the columnist about that in this instance, may be a space thing or he is focussed only on this set of actions being proposed or flaoted if you will.
There are already quite a few threads about the unions and their complicity.. I try and keyword CCPOA in ones I post as oft as I can.
I hear ya tho. There are definitley a lot of powerful movements and interests at work here, it's taken this long to bring it to a head, so to speak, not sure when we could actually see all responsible parties called to task.
Arpaio is an ass. You can google or yahoo just as well as I can. This thread is about CA and their prison system, you are the one who hijacked the thread when you introduced Arpaio to it.
I think this is just part of Arnie's campaign to kiss up to the prison guards' union: he needs all the votes he can get. He knows this proposal probably won't fly so IMO it's propaganda to justify floating more bonds for new prison construction and union goodies. It's boob bait for the bubbas as the late Sen. Moynihan used to say.
Having the Feds come in and clean up the mess could be a good thing. That way, Arnold can stay clear of it and it would be apolitical. Besides, the Dems have huge majorities in the house and senate in CA and don't seem to want to fix the problems because they are in bed with the COs labor union. I see the Feds making threats as a good thing.
LOL! Facts please!
Most California prisons have various departments licensed by various Federal agencies and what they say is deemed god-like.
Some will say it isn;t proper that the feds step in, yet , this situtation didn;t develop overnight ,, it has festered for a long time.
Certainly the ruling dems in the state Senate and
Assembly should not be given a free pass, yet you know they will be the loudest ones crying as this mess unfolds and they potentially are left out of solving a problem that they have allowed to exist for far too long.
could get real interesting. ;-)
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