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House GOP senses shift in political winds
The Hill ^ | July 13, 2006 | Patrick O’Connor

Posted on 07/13/2006 10:26:52 AM PDT by West Coast Conservative

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To: cinives
Because a no vote is a vote for a liberal. Good enough reason? At least with a Rep in office there is a CHANCE to bring them around to your way of thinking. With a lib in office there is none. Plus when re election time rolls around the power of the incumbency (as far as Party) come forth and perhaps in the primary we could field a more suitable candidate.
21 posted on 07/13/2006 10:52:45 AM PDT by Eagles Talon IV
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To: West Coast Conservative

“Club for Growth clearly could care less about the Republican Party,” Davis said.

This Davis must be a real dunce. What does he think TCFG is?


22 posted on 07/13/2006 10:52:57 AM PDT by bkepley
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia
If Graham is Col. Klink, who is Sgt Schultz?

That's easy: Chris Shays.

23 posted on 07/13/2006 10:53:22 AM PDT by seasoned traditionalist (ALL MUSLIMS ARE NOT TERRORISTS, BUT ALL TERRORISTS WHO WANT TO DESTROY OUR COUNTRY, ARE MUSLIMS)
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To: JohnLongIsland
That debate has made its way to the primary battlefield, where conservative candidates are repeatedly squaring off against centrist Republicans. In many of those fights, the conservative Club for Growth has become increasingly hostile toward some centrist Republican candidates, roiling some senior GOP lawmakers.

Good for the Club for Growth.
24 posted on 07/13/2006 10:53:50 AM PDT by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.org - Forging a Rebirth of Freedom.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Both sides can spew this kind of propaganda all they want.

What's on the agenda for November is a trashing of all or most incumbents, regardless of party.

However, the GOP is in especially deep doo-doo because they are the ones in power with a President who wants to give the country away to illegal invaders. I believe this will be how most voters see it.


25 posted on 07/13/2006 10:55:11 AM PDT by RIghtWingAvenger
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To: facedown

Perfect


26 posted on 07/13/2006 10:56:16 AM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: Eagles Talon IV
Because a no vote is a vote for a liberal. Good enough reason?

Not for me. That is a suckers game, and I have played it for too long. I simply choose not to be a sucker anymore. That being said, I am not an absolutist/purist. But if you don't believe in the basic Republican message of limited government, you don't get my vote any more. End of story.

27 posted on 07/13/2006 10:57:47 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Eagles Talon IV

Explain that again when referring to the likes of Chaffee R-RI ?

People like Chaffee and Specter and the like who vote with the Dems most of the time are useless. That doesn't mean I'd ever vote Dem - it's just that a vote for a true RINO is the same as no vote at all.

That said, I agree that the primaries are where the action should be in trying to get a conservative elected.


28 posted on 07/13/2006 11:00:42 AM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: Old_Mil

The Club for Growth is the only political group I give money to. Pat Toomey should come back to politics


29 posted on 07/13/2006 11:01:03 AM PDT by laissez- faire (Play Like A Champion Today)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Wait, what I am getting from all these stories is that it is possible that the Republicans could lose the election. It is also possible the democrats could lose the election. Nothing ground breaking there.

Ahh, but now for the real ground breaker. What is for certain is that the democrats are not going to win the election by default just because they say they have already won the election. There will be a campaign, based on the issues. The voters will all want to know, what are the parties positions on the issues? If I were the democrats, I would worry about that rather than the mood of my opponents.


30 posted on 07/13/2006 11:03:59 AM PDT by FlipWilson
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To: RIghtWingAvenger
However, the GOP is in especially deep doo-doo because they are the ones in power with a President who wants to give the country away to illegal invaders

Thank you for providing the DNC "Virtual Campaigner" spin lie on this. Unfortunately for you we Freeper know all about the Moveon.org funded seminars about "Inflitrating Conservative Websites and spreading any Bush talking points". This sort of rabid nonsense from you in the Closet Democrats doesn't sell here.

31 posted on 07/13/2006 11:05:56 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Fire Murtha Now! Spread the word. Support Diana Irey. http://www.irey.com/)
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To: West Coast Conservative
Well it's about time. I've never felt that the GOP was going to lose the House or Senate. I argued here months ago when I first came on that all the doom and gloom was unfounded. I'm glad the House Pubs are catching up with reality. Now if they will act like strong Conservatives and speak out that will put a fork in the Democrats November hopes. This is long below but it illustrates clearly they didn't have any hopes in the first place. It was liberal enthusiasm absent of facts and reality.

It comes down simply to the fact that the Democrats have no single major issue they can hammer, because all the major issues the Democrats have, their positions on those issues are the OPPOSITE of MOST Americans.

1: The war. They want to run and fight in the courts. Given how Muslims are in France, and Indonesia, and India, and Israel, there's no reason to think leaving Iraq will help the war.

2: Border control and Immigration. They want to do NOTHING because illegals are a voting block for them. Most Americans want REAL border control and immigration reform.

3: Roll back Bush tax cuts. Raise them on the "richest" Americans. It would be a tax increase across the board like always. Anyone ever get a job from a poor man? The economy is booming and the deficit is being paid half down a year earlier because of those supposed "tax cuts for the rich".

4: Judges. Democrats want activist judges like Stevens and Ginsburg, most Americans want conservative Constructionist Judges like Scalia and Thomas, so the Democrats can't talk about Judges, and when they do, all they talk about is that Pro-Life Judges aren't qualified. Most Americans don't want any of that either. The Democrats also can't tough on this, because they know that because of the horrible rulings out of liberal courts, removing all Christian reference from public view, denying free speech for Christians, taking land from people without legal basis, denying the States the right to execute murderers who the people of those States see fit to execute, etc, and they know that most Americans are sick of that, and know that it's liberal Judges that have done these things so the Democrats can't run on Judges

5: Economy. Every so often libs like Pelosi and Reiche will say how bad the economy is. But with 4.6% unemployment, six figure job increases ever month, GDP and new home sales higher every time the new numbers come out, the Stock Market always near the pre-9-11 range or higher, and the deficit now being paid down by half a year earlier than expected, there's no evidence of anything less than a strong economy.

6: Gas prices. They talk about it, but won't debate it, because most Americans know that the price of gas would be FAR lower if we drilled in ANWAR, did shoal oil, which is economical above $40 per barrel, drilled off shore, built more oil refineries, and quit forcing oil companies to make over 100 different blends of unleaded and diesel gas. And Democrats are the ones who oppose ALL of that. Ignoring the fact that we don't control OPEC and THEY set the price for most of the gas we buy, not the oil companies, which make a profit of a nickel per gallon. Compared to State and Federal taxes of 40 to 50 cents per gallon.

7: Gay Marriage. 80% or more of Americans are against gay marriage, and only 15% of gays themselves want gay marriage. MOST gays just want to be left alone. So Democrats can't fight that as an issue either. Illustrated by the 15+ States that have passed gay marriage bans, some in blue states, and only two have failed, and five more are pending that will likely all pass.

8: Partial Birth Abortion. Democrats want it but they won't run on it because most Americans, 95% or more are against it. So they never talk about that.

9: Embryonic stem cell research. There is a mountain of scientific proof that embryonic stem cells show NO promise to cure anything, and haven't cured anything, though adult and umbilical stem cells DO cure things, and have been proven to be effected in trials, but Democrats only want to talk about embryonic stem cells because that props up their defense of abortion. That's the only reason any libs care about stem cell research is to defend the notion that embryos are just tissue and not human life.

10: Global Warming. And the Democrats clearly don't think Global Warming is a winner or they'd be hammering it already as an election issue. With the failure of algore's movie, and other GW failures, they know most Americans just aren't biting on Global Warming scare mongering.

So there you go. The ten most major issues and the Democrats are solidly on the losing side of all these issues and so that leaves them very little but shadows and card tricks to run on. How anyone ever expected that the Democrats were going to win in November is beyond me. NO party has ever won an election when they have no major issues on their side compared to the American people. All the Democrats have is, Iraq is Vietnam and we have to get out (with no evidence to support it), the economy is bad (even though American voters see the opposite with their own eyes), and raising taxes (despite all the visible benefits that any half intelligent voter can see). They flat can't run on anything else in any competitive districts or States. And that's not even pointing out how much the "Republican culture of corruption" has bitten the Democrats in the butt considering that many times more Democrats have been proven to be corrupt and guilty of crimes, and the DeLay fiasco has only resulted in one indictment which has no chance of becoming a conviction. Oh, and they hate Bush. And that helped them oh so much in 2004, and he isn't on the ballot now. Democrats will not win either House of the Congress, and they won't gain seats either. I'd bet a kidney on it. If James Carville mouths off this time like a couple years ago, he'll have to slam a whole chicken on the top of his head.

32 posted on 07/13/2006 11:09:35 AM PDT by TexasPatriot8 (Irrational is the person who is offended by the mention of a God that he doesn't believe exists.)
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To: laissez- faire
The Club for Growth is the only political group I give money to. Pat Toomey should come back to politics

Four years to go and counting...

33 posted on 07/13/2006 11:10:46 AM PDT by Ogie Oglethorpe (2nd Amendment - the reboot button on the U.S. Constitution)
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To: Eagles Talon IV
Plus when re election time rolls around the power of the incumbency (as far as Party) come forth and perhaps in the primary we could field a more suitable candidate.

I didn't buy that bill of goods for Specter/Toomey -- I sure won't buy it again. Peddle that nonsense someplace else.

34 posted on 07/13/2006 11:16:40 AM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional.)
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To: taxcontrol

Hugh Hewitt's 15 words to Republican victory:

Win the war.
Confirm the judges.
Cut the taxes.
Control the spending.
Secure the border.


35 posted on 07/13/2006 11:18:57 AM PDT by Starter
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To: Eagles Talon IV
Plus when re election time rolls around the power of the incumbency (as far as Party) come forth and perhaps in the primary we could field a more suitable candidate.

Nah, whenver that happens the same people who spout your line always stand up for the RINO under the theory that the RINO is more electable. See Specter/Toomey, and the current race in Rhode Island.

36 posted on 07/13/2006 11:20:41 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Starter
Confirm the judges.

Don't forget Hewitt wanted to confirm Harriet Miers.

37 posted on 07/13/2006 11:21:22 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Any gains made by the Dems this fall with be the result of the GOP losing rather than the Democrats winning. Not a viable long term stratergy when you have to depend upon your opponents to mess up for you to do well.

Given the issues that their base is interested in - and the angry fanaticism that they bring to those issues - I don't see an easy way out of this for them.


38 posted on 07/13/2006 11:36:05 AM PDT by Chesterbelloc
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To: West Coast Conservative

On November 7 every Republican voter should send a personal thankyou card to Congressman Murtha.


39 posted on 07/13/2006 11:36:11 AM PDT by ops33 (Retired USAF Senior Master Sergeant)
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To: Starter

Amen and Amen. THAT is right on. Hugh is oh so right.


40 posted on 07/13/2006 11:47:36 AM PDT by TexasPatriot8 (Irrational is the person who is offended by the mention of a God that he doesn't believe exists.)
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