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Krauthammer: Israel's Existence at Stake
Washington Post Writers Group ^ | July 14, 2006 | Charles Krauthammer

Posted on 07/14/2006 3:34:01 AM PDT by RWR8189

WASHINGTON -- Next June will mark the 40th anniversary of the Six Day War. For four decades we have been told that the cause of the anger, violence and terror against Israel is its occupation of the territories seized in that war. End the occupation and the "cycle of violence'' ceases.

The problem with this claim was that before Israel came into possession of the West Bank and Gaza in the Six Day War, every Arab state had rejected Israel's right to exist and declared Israel's pre-1967 borders -- now deemed sacred -- to be nothing more than the armistice lines suspending, and not ending, the 1948-49 war to exterminate Israel.

But you don't have to be a historian to understand the intention of Israel's enemies. You only have to read today's newspapers.

Exhibit A: Gaza. Just last September, Israel evacuated Gaza completely. It declared the border between Israel and Gaza an international frontier, renouncing any claim to the territory. Gaza became the first independent Palestinian territory in history. Yet the Gazans continued the war. They turned Gaza into a base for launching rocket attacks against Israel and for digging tunnels under the border to conduct attacks like the one that killed two Israeli soldiers on June 25 and yielded a wounded hostage brought back to Gaza. Israeli tanks have now had to return to Gaza to try to rescue the hostage and suppress the rocket fire.

Exhibit B: South Lebanon. Two weeks later, on July 12, the Lebanese terror organization, Hezbollah, which has representation in the Lebanese parliament and in the Cabinet, launched an attack into Israel that killed eight soldiers and wounded two, who were brought back to Lebanon as hostages.

What's the grievance here? Israel withdrew from Lebanon completely in 2000.

(Excerpt) Read more at realclearpolitics.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 2006israelwar; charleskrauthammer; israel; krauthammer; waronterror
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To: D-fendr
One thing left:

Victory!
21 posted on 07/14/2006 5:24:48 AM PDT by madconserv (Jesus take the wheel- The time is here.)
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To: AmericaUnited
How about before you just continue mouthing off a bunch of nonsense, you go read it for yourself. I didn't write it. I never said I did not believe it was written or where it is written.

Well. . .the Murtha's of the world; were around then as they are now; so maybe that response is a bit was skewed in the 'transmission'.

No. . seriously. . ..really cannot fathom an interpretation here; beyond the simplistic and literal; and one which takes one down a slippery slope of what may well be 'false logic' embedded with a bit of arrogance.

. . .which is not to say that I do not believe that a a man 'soweth'. . .so shall he reap;

. . .but even that does not address the evil that passes as 'human consciousness'; an 'evil' which is forever, attempting to dominate it's anti-thetical, Good. . .a war dance, perhaps better explained by God's Law of Momentum. . .

22 posted on 07/14/2006 5:44:52 AM PDT by cricket (Live Liberal free; or suffer their consequences. . .)
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To: cricket; AmericaUnited

. . .oops. . .corr: 'a bit skewed - in the transmission'. . .lest this be dismissed as nonsense!


23 posted on 07/14/2006 5:46:54 AM PDT by cricket (Live Liberal free; or suffer their consequences. . .)
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To: RWR8189
Islam wants to drive the Jews into the sea.

It's about time the Jews accept the idea the only way for peace is to drive Islam into the sea.

24 posted on 07/14/2006 5:53:46 AM PDT by Gritty (I war for Allah! I will assault and kill, assault and kill, assault and kill! - A.15, Hamas Charter)
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To: cricket
My point is that it is indisputable fact that God has allowed Israel's enemies to be stirred up as "divine correction" many times in the past. So, for you to scoff/mock that as a possibility is foolish. And yes, for others to claim with certainty that that is what's happening is equally foolish.
25 posted on 07/14/2006 5:54:24 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: AmericaUnited; cricket

You'll also find and I paraphase:

I'll bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you

Basically the Arabs being the cursed and the friends of Isreal being the blessed.


26 posted on 07/14/2006 6:07:40 AM PDT by gbaker
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To: RWR8189
Hezbollah and Hamas were endangered with extinction.

They had to act.


BUMP

27 posted on 07/14/2006 6:10:19 AM PDT by capitalist229 (Get Democrats out of our pockets and Republicans out of our bedrooms.)
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To: goldstategop
" No, the real issue has always been Israel's very existence. Iran's dictator put it squarely on the table in very candid terms: Israel must be wiped off the map. And you can imagine, the Jewish people are unlikely to voluntarily submit to the prospect of a Second Holocaust. When their backs are to the wall, they will do whatever they must to survive. Here is where Israel's enemies have always underestimated the indomitable spirit of this small country and its perpetually besieged people. Jewish history is about enduring against the greatest of odds. I have no doubt that Jewish history will not come to an end, that the Jewish people will unite to maintain their hard-won sovereignty, purchased with the blood of their sons, in their ancient homeland. Am Yisrael Chai. "



Exactly!
28 posted on 07/14/2006 6:37:19 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (The Arab League jihad continues on like a fart in an elevator - FR American in Israel)
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To: Salem; F15Eagle; RoadTest; unionblue83; T.L.Sink; ZULU; white trash redneck; ...

Ping!


29 posted on 07/14/2006 6:39:51 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (The Arab League jihad continues on like a fart in an elevator - FR American in Israel)
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To: Convert from ECUSA; All

Israel is finally doing what should have been done long ago. The palesimians and their Islamonazi friends are getting exactly what they deserve and are crying about it. F- them and the horse that rode in on them. Allahu Fubar.


30 posted on 07/14/2006 7:52:38 AM PDT by unionblue83
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related:

Israel’s Challenge--No choice but to fight.
FrontPageMagazine.com | July 14, 2006 | P. David Hornik
Posted on 07/14/2006 8:21:03 AM EDT by SJackson
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1665570/posts


31 posted on 07/14/2006 8:31:12 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Wednesday, June 21, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: cricket; sport; navygal; MamaDearest; Vicki; American in Israel; auggy; jeremiah; Libertina; ...

END TIMES PING LIST PING.

If you wnat on, or off, please let me know.

Genesis 12:3 (The Message)
The Message (MSG)
Copyright © 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 2000, 2001, 2002 by Eugene H. Peterson

2-3 I'll make you a great nation and bless you.
I'll make you famous; you'll be a blessing.
I'll bless those who bless you;
those who curse you I'll curse.
All the families of the Earth
will be blessed through you."


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Cricket,

I happen to be of the very firm, deep rooted, solid opinion that

GOD ALMIGHTY DOES ALL THINGS WELL!

And, that's regardless of whether I can wrap my finite mind around His doings, or not. He also declares that [in some sense, to some significant degree] HIS WAYS ARE BEYOND FINDING OUT.

His relationship with Israel is as has been mentioned in this thread. Israel rebells; God disciplines her, usually via her enemies.

She repents, God blesses her until she gets fat and rebellious. Yes, this is not unlike America.

And, then there's that Scripture about God's relationship with individuals--that ALL THOSE HE LOVES, HE DISCIPLINES. Those not experiencing God's disciplines . . . at least from time to time, would do well to check and see if they have a relationship with God, at all.

- - - - - -

BEYOND ALL THAT, this end times drama is a unique period in all history.

imho, God is setting Israel up AND GOD IS SETTING THE WORLD UP

for the most extreme, GRAND, memorable etc. OBJECT LESSON [for His Glory] particularly for ALL CREATION FOR ALL TIME that a relationship with God brings Life, liberty, freedom, blessing. That rebellion against God brings death.

It's really as simple as that. Lots of things are fodder for that educational message. Has been so throughout history. Will be even more vividly and clearly so in this era.

Screaming otherwise won't change it a micro-gram's worth.

Screaming that finite minds know better than God Almighty won't change it a micro-gram's worth.

Screaming that God is wrongly not running HIS MULTIVERSES ACCORDING TO ONE'S OWN FINITE CONSTRUCTIONS ON REALITY won't change it a micro-gram's worth. . . . might not even warrent a good chuckle on God's part.

Also, screams that those of us who read Scripture in rather literal terms--particularly regarding prophecies related to this END TIMES ERA . . . screams that we are idiots, have it all wrong; etc. will not change or delay the literal fulfillments of such prophecies one micro gram's worth.

It seems to me, that a lot of folks are going to be rudely awakened at some not-to-distant point . . . with the fact that their constructions on reality have been seriously flawed.

At least, they've been warned.

ISRAEL WILL OVERCOME--but only By God's promises, direction and power. She has the honor of being His primary object lesson for all creation.

The Christian Church is 2ndly so honored.


32 posted on 07/14/2006 8:55:37 AM PDT by Quix (PRAY AND WORK WHILE THERE'S DAY! Many very dark nights are looming. Thankfully, God is still God!)
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To: joeystoy

How can anyone be expected to negotiate with fanatics whose goal is to exterminate every Jew on the planet?

I am not Jewish, but when I hear American Jews taking up the cause of the oppressed peoples of the Occupied Territories it makes my blood curdle.

= = = = =

I agree with you entirely.

Sheer lunacy abounds in our era. Demonic lunacy, actually.


33 posted on 07/14/2006 9:04:27 AM PDT by Quix (PRAY AND WORK WHILE THERE'S DAY! Many very dark nights are looming. Thankfully, God is still God!)
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To: D-fendr

It is obvious to all now that the question is Israel's existence. Nations and people can come down on either side of this question, but they can no longer hide from it or divert attention elsewhere.
= = = =

Excellent points.


34 posted on 07/14/2006 9:05:36 AM PDT by Quix (PRAY AND WORK WHILE THERE'S DAY! Many very dark nights are looming. Thankfully, God is still God!)
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To: RWR8189

bump to read later.


35 posted on 07/14/2006 9:07:09 AM PDT by eyespysomething (How do I set a laser printer to stun?)
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To: madconserv

Why should they hold back?
= = =

I much agree. Let em have it with both barrels. Am skeptical they'll be 'allowed' to do that.

The time has come.
= = =

I don't think it will play out that way. I think THAT time is somewhat ahead. Hopefully after 2008. I believe it will come before or during 2012,


36 posted on 07/14/2006 9:07:35 AM PDT by Quix (PRAY AND WORK WHILE THERE'S DAY! Many very dark nights are looming. Thankfully, God is still God!)
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FoxFan ping!

Please FReepmail me if you want on or off my FoxFan list. *Warning: This can be a high-volume ping list at times.

37 posted on 07/14/2006 9:10:10 AM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton 6/28/04)
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To: cricket

So. . .okay. ..199 times in the Old Testament we have confirmation that the Islamo-nazis are - as they claim themselves - doing God's work.

= = =

Not as this statement seems to construe it.

The Jihadi's believe they are doing God's work to wipe Israel out of existence. NOTHING COULD BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH.

But God uses even satan to God's ends.

When Israel observes the world leader set up his image in the New Temple's Holy Of Holies, then they will realize they have been snookered by the world leader and run for their lives. Masses will be killed as Scripture makes clear. But God will miraculously save thousands as well.

And, interestingly, the Glory will be HIS AND HIS ALONE. He won't be sharing it with ANY other government, per se.


38 posted on 07/14/2006 9:13:14 AM PDT by Quix (PRAY AND WORK WHILE THERE'S DAY! Many very dark nights are looming. Thankfully, God is still God!)
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To: D-fendr

IMHO, it needs to be said loudly and over and over again: The people attacking Israel are identical to our enemies in the WOT - the ones who are trying to kill us.

This cannot be repeated enough. And if this very clear connection is made, then how we support Israel becomes a no brainer. They are our front line primary allies in a war for both our survivals.

I strongly agree.


39 posted on 07/14/2006 9:14:33 AM PDT by Quix (PRAY AND WORK WHILE THERE'S DAY! Many very dark nights are looming. Thankfully, God is still God!)
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To: SMARTY

The genie is OUT of the bottle. The UN has NO card to play, thanks to its demonstrated record of anti Summit's in resolving Middle East discord to this point... among numerous other and very public UN failings world wide.
= = = =

Actually, the NWO powers behind the UN and before that, the League of Nations are intent on wiping Israel off the map, too.


40 posted on 07/14/2006 9:16:55 AM PDT by Quix (PRAY AND WORK WHILE THERE'S DAY! Many very dark nights are looming. Thankfully, God is still God!)
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