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Stratfor: Red Alert: The Battle Joined
Stratfor intelligence ^ | 07/21/2006 | analysis@stratfor.com

Posted on 07/21/2006 11:05:26 AM PDT by STFrancis

The ground war has begun. Several Israeli brigades now appear to be operating between the Lebanese border and the Litani River. Hezbollah forces are dispersed in multiple bunker complexes and are launching rockets from these and other locations. Hezbollah's strategy appears to be threefold. First, force Israel into costly attacks against prepared fortifications. Second, draw Israeli troops as deeply into Lebanon as possible, forcing them to fight on extended supply lines. Third, move into an Iraqi-style insurgency from which Israel -- out of fear of a resumption of rocket attacks -- cannot withdraw, but which the Israelis also cannot endure because of extended long-term casualties. This appears to have been a carefully planned strategy, built around a threat to Israeli cities that Israel can't afford. The war has begun at Hezbollah's time and choosing. Israel is caught between three strategic imperatives. First, it must end the threat to Israeli cities, which must involve the destruction of Hezbollah's launch capabilities south of the Litani River. Second, it must try to destroy Hezbollah's infrastructure, which means it must move into the Bekaa Valley and as far as the southern suburbs of Beirut. Third, it must do so in such a way that it is not dragged into a long-term, unsustainable occupation against a capable insurgency. Hezbollah has implemented its strategy by turning southern Lebanon into a military stronghold, consisting of well-designed bunkers that serve both as fire bases and launch facilities for rockets. The militants appear to be armed with anti-tank weapons and probably anti-aircraft weapons, some of which appear to be of American origin, raising the question of how they were acquired. Hezbollah wants to draw Israel into protracted fighting in this area in order to inflict maximum casualties and to change the psychological equation for both military and political reasons.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 2006israelwar; hezbollah; israel; lebanon; stratfor; war
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This is an awesome article and analysis which however leaves me deeply worried... You can get it by being a premium subscriber or signing up for their FREE news alerts. Well worth reading...
1 posted on 07/21/2006 11:05:29 AM PDT by STFrancis
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To: STFrancis

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2 posted on 07/21/2006 11:05:55 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (dust off the big guns.)
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To: STFrancis

Can this be verified?


3 posted on 07/21/2006 11:09:14 AM PDT by WakeUpAndVote (Got towel?)
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To: STFrancis
which means it must move into the Bekaa Valley

Finally.

4 posted on 07/21/2006 11:09:25 AM PDT by My2Cents (A pirate's life for me.)
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To: STFrancis

O'Rielly had a Stratfor guy on the other night and he said Israel would attack soon - he said Rice would also cancel her trip if so since going in after a ground war started it would do little good.


5 posted on 07/21/2006 11:10:10 AM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: STFrancis

like that... hizbollah using US rockets/anti tank? Gee- thats tough. Which nation did they sell into? Was it a Pakistani gift package?


6 posted on 07/21/2006 11:10:25 AM PDT by himno hero
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To: STFrancis

Any plan will work as long as the other guy plays within your rules.

Don't play by their rules, and you have a new game.


7 posted on 07/21/2006 11:10:55 AM PDT by CIB-173RDABN
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To: STFrancis

Israel should just annex the southern half of Lebanon and be done with it. Anyone who doesn't like it can have a quick meeting with a bullet.


8 posted on 07/21/2006 11:11:30 AM PDT by thoughtomator (Famous last words: "what does ibtz mean?")
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To: WakeUpAndVote
There are two threads from a couple hours ago reporting massing of tanks at the border.
Click on keyword 2006ISRAELWAR for a compiled list of related threads.
9 posted on 07/21/2006 11:14:11 AM PDT by ASA Vet (3.03)
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To: STFrancis
"which means it must move into the Bekaa Valley"

Cleaning out this long-time terrorist's "rats nest" would be a good thing, provided their stealth, speed and ferocity stands them in good stead like it usually does.

It looks like their enemy is betting on their bogging down like we have so an insergency tactic will work just like in Iraq!!!

I think they are mis-judging the Isrealis again!!!

10 posted on 07/21/2006 11:15:06 AM PDT by SierraWasp (Memo To: Uncle Sam Re: Terrorists, Insurgents and Illegal Combatants...NoUniforms... No Prisoners!!!)
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To: STFrancis

So what did the article conclude?


11 posted on 07/21/2006 11:19:40 AM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: STFrancis

Many of the prognostications from Stratfor are as accurate as touts from a Track junkie. I don't put a whole lot of confidence in its analysis or predictions.


12 posted on 07/21/2006 11:22:00 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: STFrancis
These are the days of precision-guided munitions, and I don't think fighting from bunkers is going to be a winning ploy. And Israel isn't going to occupy anything - we only occupied Iraq to establish a government and Lebanon already has one of those. It may even regain control of its own territory.

The IDF may well establish a buffer zone, or rather re-establish one, but the rockets the Iranians have given Hezbollah have too much range to make that a total solution. They have to address the problem at its source and that's what it looks like they're doing.

13 posted on 07/21/2006 11:23:03 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: STFrancis

Wny not eclare whatever section of Lebanon needed as a buffer zone to be the new Israeli artillary training range? As the range of the weapon systems used increases, the artillary range grows.


14 posted on 07/21/2006 11:24:55 AM PDT by The Duke (I have met the enemy, and he is named 'Apathy'!)
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To: edcoil

Condi's upcoming trip (if I'm reading the tea leaves right) may not be the standard run-of-the-mill "let's look for a diplomatic solution that leads to a ceasefire." It may be more out-of-the-box than that, and involve leveraging the Arabs against the Persians (Iran). Hope so.


15 posted on 07/21/2006 11:26:32 AM PDT by Califelephant (The New York Times is America's Al Jazeera.)
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To: himno hero

Iranian TOW missiles, I would imagine. The Iranians may have also acquired and repaired Stingers left over from the Afghan-Soviet war.


16 posted on 07/21/2006 11:29:06 AM PDT by pierrem15
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To: STFrancis
Hezbollah has implemented its strategy by turning southern Lebanon into a military stronghold, consisting of well-designed bunkers that serve both as fire bases and launch facilities for rockets.

Bunker busters? Israel has some, one would think.

Stratfor is always interesting in reporting details of situations but not always correct in predicting outcomes. No source is always correct, as we've all learned since 9/11.

17 posted on 07/21/2006 11:30:42 AM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: STFrancis

18 posted on 07/21/2006 11:31:51 AM PDT by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: STFrancis

I would like to work for Stratfor. Write articles on tactics and geopolitical strategy all day long. It'd be like setting up your green army men and tanks.


19 posted on 07/21/2006 11:33:57 AM PDT by rjp2005
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To: STFrancis
This is an awesome article and analysis which however leaves me deeply worried...

The IDF is only at a disadvantage when the PC handcuffs are on.

The cuffs are now off.

20 posted on 07/21/2006 11:38:16 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam Factoid:After forcing young girls to watch his men execute their fathers, Muhammad raped them.)
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To: Billthedrill
Agreed.

All a well fortified bunker complex makes you is an easy target. Bomb it till it stops shooting at you (HE or thermobaric) then stick a long hose (with a blow back valve of course) from a propane tank down a hole and fill'er up. CO2 works well too if you want to see what they had down there.

All these articles about 200 foot deep bunkers are funny. Did not do the talaban much good did it?
21 posted on 07/21/2006 11:41:05 AM PDT by fireforeffect (A kind word and a 2x4, gets you more than just a kind word.)
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To: Billthedrill

A bunker is a grave by another name. Fortifications were meant to channel an attack not as an end in itself, if the rag heads cannot maneuver off of the fortifications in strength, then all the Israelis have to do is isolate and eliminate.


22 posted on 07/21/2006 11:44:15 AM PDT by Little Bill (A 37%'r, a Red Spot on a Blue State, rats are evil.)
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To: edcoil
O'Rielly had a Stratfor guy on the other night and he said Israel would attack soon - he said Rice would also cancel her trip if so since going in after a ground war started it would do little good.

What would Rice have to offer at this stage? Doesn't it seem better to stand back for now and let Israel handle this?

23 posted on 07/21/2006 11:47:22 AM PDT by GOPJ
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To: CIB-173RDABN

exactly right!


24 posted on 07/21/2006 11:48:32 AM PDT by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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Power of prayer.

25 posted on 07/21/2006 11:48:39 AM PDT by evets (God is in control.)
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To: Berosus; Cincinatus' Wife; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; FairOpinion; ...
move into an Iraqi-style insurgency from which Israel -- out of fear of a resumption of rocket attacks -- cannot withdraw, but which the Israelis also cannot endure because of extended long-term casualties. This appears to have been a carefully planned strategy, built around a threat to Israeli cities that Israel can't afford.
Occupation isn't in the future for Hizbollah. Come to think of it, nothing much is in the future of Hizbollah.
26 posted on 07/21/2006 11:49:39 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Wednesday, June 21, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: fireforeffect
Good point. If I remember correctly when the Japanese where defending the bunker complex that was Iwo Jima the Marines also used bulldozers to bury many bunkers under many feet of dirt.
27 posted on 07/21/2006 11:50:07 AM PDT by 2001convSVT ("People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence")
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To: STFrancis
Won't do any long term good so long as the Syrian regime remains in place as a conduit to Hezbollah to rearm, resupply and re-fund.
28 posted on 07/21/2006 11:52:39 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: STFrancis

It would be interesting to look at a topographic map. Maybe with a few big explosions and some digging they could make the area a part of the Mediterranean Sea. [just a little Friday afternoon "thinking outside the box"]


29 posted on 07/21/2006 11:54:28 AM PDT by LZ_Bayonet
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To: Capt. Tom
I see an Israeli advance to the line of Az Zahrani to the Northern tip of the occupied Golan Heights.

Thankfully Israel did not give the Golan back to Syria.

30 posted on 07/21/2006 11:54:50 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Make them go home!!)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Many of the prognostications from Stratfor are as accurate as touts from a Track junkie. I don't put a whole lot of confidence in its analysis or predictions.

I agree with you.

This sounds just the like the French strategy with the Maginot Line and look how good that worked.

31 posted on 07/21/2006 12:00:08 PM PDT by Texas Jack
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To: SierraWasp

Hezbollah may have miscalculated. The Israelis don't have PC, as far as I know, and they don't have people like John Murtha and Paul Craig Roberts to undermine their efforts from within Israel.


32 posted on 07/21/2006 12:04:03 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Going partly violently to the thing 24-7!)
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To: STFrancis

"Hezbollah wants to draw Israel into protracted fighting in this area in order to inflict maximum casualties and to change the psychological equation for both military and political reasons."

This will turn out to be the big Hez mistake.

They, as an "insurgency", have taken on an army AS an army.

Their big plan as analyzed here will FORCE israel to obviate the threat that they pose(and have ALWAYS posed).

Now Israel only has to kill them.


33 posted on 07/21/2006 12:06:44 PM PDT by TalBlack
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To: himno hero

I hope the Israelis get their hands on the american anti tank weapons, so that they can be traced. There is a betrayal in there somewhere.


34 posted on 07/21/2006 12:15:07 PM PDT by Candor7 (Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
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To: CIB-173RDABN

.....Don't play by their rules.....

Flame spewing tanks and massive naplm charges over the entrances...... over and over till crispy.

Provide imbedded tv to scare the dog**** out of others


35 posted on 07/21/2006 12:15:49 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. Slay Pinch)
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To: STFrancis
If General MacArthur were in charge of the Israeli forces he would bring a large assault on the bunker line from the south using armour and artillery with ground forces. He likely would bring an amphibious assault around Sidon and drive East toward the Syrian border, and destroy the supply and com lines into Beirut from the South. This tactic would force the Hezbollahs to retreat to Syria as the Sothern forces link up with the Eastwqard amphibious force. Maybe the US MArines will be in on it yet. This would take about a week with laser desifgnated air support and would be an end run without the Bunkers having to be taken individually. The Israelis could take their time roasting the Hezzy assholes ( POTUS's Term) oout of their holes with armored flame throwers.

That is my prediction for the strategery that is about to be used.

36 posted on 07/21/2006 12:22:14 PM PDT by Candor7 (Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
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To: rjp2005; STFrancis

Been there, done that; and it isn't all playing with toy tanks and soldiers. Many hours of reading dull reports, creating and examining possible courses of action. Determining capability versus intent, and short-term versus long range goals.

And if the bad guys do something different or before or after what/when you estimated...you name is mudd and folks scream "intelligence failure."


37 posted on 07/21/2006 12:23:32 PM PDT by GreyFriar ( (3rd Armored Division - Spearhead))
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To: bert

Two words : "Bunker Busters"


38 posted on 07/21/2006 12:44:34 PM PDT by sono ("May the Wings of Liberty never lose a feather." Jack Burton)
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To: Capt. Tom

Looking at the map again I wonder if Hezbollah might not be attacked from the East and the South. They could be cut off.


39 posted on 07/21/2006 12:46:43 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Make them go home!!)
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To: Mike Darancette
Israel might get a double bubble here by driving out Hezbolla and extending its northern security zone to include the Litani river

Source: Geographical Review, Jul93, Vol. 83 Issue 3, p229, 9p.

Access to the Litani River was a concern during Israel's formative years. The diaries of Moshe Sharett, an Israeli prime minister during the mid-1950s, reveal that Ben-Gurion and Moshe Dayan, chief of staff and defense minister, were strong advocates of Israeli occupation of southern Lebanon to the Litani River (Rabinovich 1985).

In the wake of the 1967 war and in view of Israeli territorial gains from three of its four neighbors, Dayan reiterated his long-standing opinion that Israel had achieved "provisionally satisfying frontiers, with the exception of those with Lebanon" (Hof 1985, 36).

40 posted on 07/21/2006 1:17:07 PM PDT by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Ain't it the delightful truth? (snort!)


41 posted on 07/21/2006 1:18:14 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Memo To: Uncle Sam Re: Terrorists, Insurgents and Illegal Combatants...NoUniforms... No Prisoners!!!)
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To: STFrancis; All
If this is the situation, then Israel needs to be on offensive.

Hell-a-baluu is sponsored, armed and directed not by Syria but by Iran.

The next step is for Israel to tell Iran that the next target is ...

Tehran.
42 posted on 07/21/2006 1:24:16 PM PDT by Mr. Jazzy (Mr. Jazzy, VPD of LCpl Smoothguy242, USMC, LavaDog 1/3 Marines Ooorah!!!)
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To: sono

I question the efficacy of bunker busters. They apparently were used in Beruit on the complex there and we don't know what they did. We do know no big baddies were done in.

Also in Iraq we watched them fall but never saw really damaged bunkers. To the contrary, we saw bunkers entered and cautiously explored.


43 posted on 07/21/2006 1:29:20 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. Slay Pinch)
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To: STFrancis
Israel faces a complex and challenging task. Defeating the PLO on the ground was a piece of cake back in the 80s. Hezbollah put a lot of thought and effort into making sure Israel can't do that again. Now Israel will have to counter with some surprises of her own in this war.

(Go Israel, Go! Slap 'Em, Down Hezbullies.)

44 posted on 07/21/2006 1:29:38 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: fireforeffect

"Fixed fortifications are monuments to the stupidity of man." -- George S. Patton


45 posted on 07/21/2006 1:38:56 PM PDT by Richard Kimball
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To: fireforeffect
All these articles about 200 foot deep bunkers are funny. Did not do the talaban much good did it?

In case you didn't notice Sadam Hussien's bunkers survived our best bunker busters. German engineering is pretty good.

46 posted on 07/21/2006 1:51:10 PM PDT by itsahoot (The home of the Free, Because of the Brave (Shamelessly stolen from a Marine)
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To: Mike Darancette

Hell, come out of the Golan, put the Litani on your left flank and drive for Beirut.


47 posted on 07/21/2006 1:51:33 PM PDT by gura
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To: SierraWasp

Hiz will just jump over into syria.


48 posted on 07/21/2006 2:42:39 PM PDT by gotribe (It's not a religion.)
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To: gotribe
Hiz will just jump over into syria.

Not if you cut them off before they can get around the Golan.

49 posted on 07/21/2006 2:44:55 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Make them go home!!)
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To: gura
Drive fro Golan keep the river on your right flank and drive north of Tyre while coming up from the south. Trap them in the South and avoid having Lebanese troops linking up.
50 posted on 07/21/2006 2:52:42 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Make them go home!!)
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