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'Chickenhawk'
Boston Globe ^ | July 23, 2006 | Jeff Jacoby

Posted on 07/23/2006 6:38:41 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative

``IT'S TOUCHING that you're so concerned about the military in Iraq," a reader in Wyoming e-mails in response to one of my columns on the war. ``But I have a suspicion you're a phony. So tell me, what's your combat record? Ever serve?"

You hear a fair amount of that from the antiwar crowd if, like me, you support a war but have never seen combat yourself. That makes you a ``chicken hawk" -- one of those, as Senator Frank Lautenberg of New Jersey, defending John Kerry from his critics, put it during the 2004 presidential campaign, who ``shriek like a hawk, but have the backbone of a chicken." Kerry himself often played that card. ``I'd like to know what it is Republicans who didn't serve in Vietnam have against those of us who did," he would sniff, casting himself as the victim of unmanly hypocrites who never wore the uniform, yet had the gall to criticize him, a decorated veteran, for his stance on the war.

``Chicken hawk" isn't an argument. It is a slur -- a dishonest and incoherent slur. It is dishonest because those who invoke it don't really mean what they imply -- that only those with combat experience have the moral authority or the necessary understanding to advocate military force. After all, US foreign policy would be more hawkish, not less, if decisions about war and peace were left up to members of the armed forces. Soldiers tend to be politically conservative, hard-nosed about national security, and confident that American arms make the world safer and freer. On the question of Iraq -- stay-the-course or bring-the-troops-home? -- I would be willing to trust their judgment. Would Cindy Sheehan and Howard Dean?

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: antiwar; iraq; jacoby; liberalism; military
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1 posted on 07/23/2006 6:38:42 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative
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To: West Coast Conservative

FDR and Lincoln never served in the military. I don't think James K. Polk had military credentials and he increased the size of America by 50% much of it through armed conflict.


2 posted on 07/23/2006 6:46:48 PM PDT by AdvisorB (For a terrorist bodycount in hamistan, let the smoke clear then count the ears and divide by 2.)
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To: Mr.Smorch

And, on the other hand, Jimmy Carter served in the military and gave us the mullahs in Iran.


3 posted on 07/23/2006 6:48:29 PM PDT by RedRover ("Doddering" Jack Murtha: Stupid Is As Stupid Does)
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To: RedRover

Yeah, but JIMMAH"S stuck on stupid. And to call shooting yourself in the ASS with rice like JFINGKERRY and get a purple heart is total BS.


4 posted on 07/23/2006 6:52:10 PM PDT by snowman1
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To: West Coast Conservative

Strangely, those in the military are almost unanimous in their opinion that we're doing the right thing in Iraq and Afghanistan, and that the MSM has it all wrong.

Funny that the Left disqualifies opinions from "Chicken Hawks" but is also deaf to those in the military whose opinion doesn't match theirs.


5 posted on 07/23/2006 6:52:34 PM PDT by TWohlford
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To: RedRover

Touche!


6 posted on 07/23/2006 6:54:29 PM PDT by AdvisorB (For a terrorist bodycount in hamistan, let the smoke clear then count the ears and divide by 2.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

While the "veteran" claim can be as Ann Coulter has pointed out "an argument from 'human shield'" it is also true that veterans, and especially war veterans, do have a perspective that needs to be heard.

When doing agricultural policy, it's good to get all the politicians and their budget and science folks in the room.

But occasionally someone should ask a farmer for his opinion.


7 posted on 07/23/2006 6:55:36 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Supporting the troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Using the chickenhawk argument, one should never call out the police if he or she has not served as a police officer.


8 posted on 07/23/2006 6:56:14 PM PDT by WayneM ( Sneaking in is NOT immigration.......(¯`'•..•'´¯).......Cut the KRAP (Karl Rove Amnesty Plan).)
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To: WayneM

And only people who grow food should eat (as I believe Victor Davis Hanson said recently).


9 posted on 07/23/2006 7:02:25 PM PDT by RedRover ("Doddering" Jack Murtha: Stupid Is As Stupid Does)
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To: West Coast Conservative

I served and hereby give my exalted permission to anyone who hasn't, to have an opinion./s

That's why we served isn't it?


10 posted on 07/23/2006 7:05:34 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: West Coast Conservative

I'm a chicken hawk. While soldiers shoot terrorists in the Middle East, I go to left wing websites and pick on chickens. Just doing my little part :)


11 posted on 07/23/2006 7:10:51 PM PDT by Dreagon
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To: Mr.Smorch

Lincoln served a total of 90 days, his first 30 day enlistment as a Captain and the other two as a Private, he had amazing insights in the operations of War, that would be obvious later.

Polk attained the rank of Colonel and served in the Calvary.


12 posted on 07/23/2006 7:12:07 PM PDT by Marius3188 (Happy Resurrection Weekend)
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To: Graybeard58

Ditto for this ex-USAF vet. Is not civilian control of the military guaranteed by our constitution?


13 posted on 07/23/2006 7:12:16 PM PDT by angus 4man (angus 4man)
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To: WayneM
Using the chickenhawk argument, one should never call out the police if he or she has not served as a police officer.

Nah, worse than that: you shouldn't even be in favor of police responding to any crime, anywhere.

14 posted on 07/23/2006 7:13:59 PM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: West Coast Conservative
``Chicken hawk" isn't an argument. It is a slur -- a dishonest and incoherent slur.

Dear Mr. Chicken hawk,a.k.a. Jeff Jacoby,
Please contact your nearest military recruiter.
Your nation is at war.


Jeff Jacoby

15 posted on 07/23/2006 7:14:50 PM PDT by TVenn
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To: Marius3188

I stand corrected. What regiment did FDR serve in?


16 posted on 07/23/2006 7:15:33 PM PDT by AdvisorB (For a terrorist bodycount in hamistan, let the smoke clear then count the ears and divide by 2.)
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To: Mr.Smorch

Nada. He fell in love with the Navy(Sec. of the Navy) and did a hell of a job with them.

I think having served as the Sec of the Navy really did prepare him for the War.


17 posted on 07/23/2006 7:17:43 PM PDT by Marius3188 (Happy Resurrection Weekend)
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To: Dreagon

I salute you for your efforts at moderating the chicken population.:-)


18 posted on 07/23/2006 7:19:33 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: West Coast Conservative
I think Jacoby should have left this one alone. He just sounds sensitive and offended and defensive.

When I hear Bill Kristol spout off about "hegemony" I sometimes hear clucking in the background.

But my gripe with the neocons comes from what happened in the Balkans and how they never seem to have to answer for their helpfulness to Wesley Clark, Biden, Albright, McCain in turning over so much territory to the Muslims.

The jibe of "chickenhawk" has sticking power--if it didn't, the neocons wouldn't be so intent on playing jocksniffer to John McCain. His war record gives them cover.

19 posted on 07/23/2006 7:24:32 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: West Coast Conservative

As usual, the left has gotten it upside down again. I would think that 'chickenhawk' is most appropriate for those that never served and currently critize the military, or the war in Iraq, etc. NOT those that support our military, or our current fight against terrorism OR those that critize Kerry for his 'fake' service and his stand AGAINST the brave 'real soldiers' of the vietnam conflict. He is a sorry excuse of a wannabe veteran, nothing more.


20 posted on 07/23/2006 7:27:57 PM PDT by AgThorn (Bush is my president, but he needs to protect our borders. FIRST, before any talk of "Amnesty.")
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