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Indian state bans soft drinks after Coke, Pepsi gets toxic label
breitbart.com ^ | 08-04-06 | WestVirginiaRebel

Posted on 08/04/2006 3:32:28 PM PDT by WestVirginiaRebel

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To: Gengis Khan
Coca Cola doesn't imports pesticides, it IS a pesticide.

You're just getting more and more asinine. You don't have arguments, and you won't argue facts.

By your twisted logic, if I sprayed an Indian import with a pesticide, our courts should ban all future imports from India.

That is patently absurd, but that's all you've got left in your pistol.

Pathetic.

141 posted on 08/06/2006 1:02:17 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Gengis Khan

>>Hmmmm another conspiracy theory.

Why would the high court even bother?<<

Its not really far fetched to suggest that suit against Coca Cola was brought to hurt Coca Cola.


142 posted on 08/06/2006 1:04:54 PM PDT by gondramB (Named must your fear be before banish it you can.)
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To: Dog Gone

Listen its YOU who are acting like a downright MORON and I have been tolerating your ad hominems for too long.

People dont inject pesticides inside the coke bottles before they drink it. Coke bottles comes as finished product from the factory. If the finished product comes with pesticides in them then they must be banned regardless of where they were imported from and how the pesticides got inside it. End of the argument.


143 posted on 08/06/2006 1:11:05 PM PDT by Gengis Khan
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To: gondramB
Yeah the courts have a grudge against Coca Cola. /sarc
144 posted on 08/06/2006 1:13:48 PM PDT by Gengis Khan
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To: Gengis Khan

It's not the end of the argument unless you admit that it is INDIAN water containing INDIAN pesticides from your precious INDIAN water supply which you will drink anyway.

It's only the end of the argument if you want to concede those obvious points.

Do something about your own water supply. You didn't put Coca Cola in charge of your own water safety, did you?

YOU are the one who wants to believe the lawsuit that started over caffeine being a harmful chemical. YOU are the one who defends protectionism using whatever means anyone can conjure up in that country.

Here's my little advice to you. Don't buy any foreign products. It will make you feel patriotic and superior.

But don't try to convince anyone that banning foreign products because of things you control and are the cause of is OUR fault.

We're not that stupid.


145 posted on 08/06/2006 1:19:04 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
If you are trying to say that all of India's water is all pesticide ridden then you are making the most asinine comment anyone has ever made on FR. India has 3.3 million sq. km or land area. You saying entire India is ridden with pesticide? You must be nutz.

And what have you got to prove that its Indian water that's carrying the pesticides? Any evidence? Or you are one of those righteous Americans who believe that there could never be anything wrong with an American product.

Also explain why no other soft drink product have as much pesticide levels as does Coke or Pepsi?

And even if I accept for a moment that it could be because of the local source of water supply used by Coco Cola company thats contaminated, even then whose responsibility is it to make the product safer for consumption before they put it on the shelf for consumption? Its disgraceful for Americans to expect us to drink a product of theirs thats far less safer than the local water supply. Coca Cola is know to have 27 times higher residues than the BIS standards for total pesticides in soft drinks (0.5 ppb) according to CSE study.
146 posted on 08/06/2006 1:40:50 PM PDT by Gengis Khan
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To: Gengis Khan

Look, genius, where do the Coke bottlers in India get their water? Norway?

I have no idea what the overall condition of Indian water supply is, but I doubt it's terrific. Maybe all the photos of people washing their clothes in the Ganges are fakes.

I'm repeating myself here, but here's the story of this story.

Someone, (we don't know who, but let's guess, perhaps a domestic producer of soft drinks?) brings a suit claiming caffeine and aspertame are dangerous chemicals in Coke and Pepsi.

Never mind that caffeine is consumed in massive quantities in other Indian beverages, and I assume aspertame is available as well. Where's the lawsuit against Sweet and Low?

That didn't work, so they attempted the pesticide angle. They got a private group to come up with some research. Not a government group, a private group. Who knows how they're funded or what their real agenda is.

Then this group found two judges who ordered the soft drink companies two months to reveal the recipe for their syrup.

They could have ordered tests of their syrup for pesticides, but no, they want the secret recipe. Now why is that?

It has nothing to do with pesticides. It has everything to do with the companies obvious refusal to provide that.

They know Pepsi and Coke won't do that which will force them out of the country. Just as originally intended.

I don't really care that you're kicking our products out of the country, but your stupid lies as to why you're doing it are just stupid.

In the meantime, have a BIG glass of water.


147 posted on 08/06/2006 2:02:29 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Gengis Khan

Pesticide-schmesticide. The play is jolly obvious. India has a protectionist market controled by a very few wealthy families. The market for soft drink in India is huge. Getting rid of foreign offerings like Coke and Pepsi creates a vaccuum: and Nature doth abhor a vaccuum. Step in a local Indian supplier with a product that is a reasonable facsimile. Voila! Problem solved!

Not a bad strategy, makes perfect sense to get rid of foreign quasi-monopolies if one is to have a marketplace well-protected against foreign competition. But it's not a position that can be dignified under the auspices of a "health issue."

Coke and Pepsi a pesticide/herbicide? C'mon! That's just not credible.


148 posted on 08/06/2006 3:13:10 PM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (I am the Chieftain of my Clan. I bow to nobody. Get out of my way.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

It's as credible as the Indian tricycles beating US tanks as was alleged upthread.


149 posted on 08/06/2006 3:32:39 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone

> It's as credible as the Indian tricycles beating US tanks as was alleged upthread.

Y'all ought to be uplifting some of those three-wheel contraptions for use in the War on Terror. Fit 'em out with some lite armor and a machine-gun up front: they'd be great for roaring around the rubble and chasing down insurgents and raising all kinds of Merry Hell!

Heck, I'd even consider volunteering for that kind of duty...


150 posted on 08/06/2006 3:48:14 PM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (I am the Chieftain of my Clan. I bow to nobody. Get out of my way.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

> they'd be great for roaring around the rubble and chasing down insurgents and raising all kinds of Merry Hell!

...sorta like a Dr Seuss/Mad Max hybrid!

*DieHard*


151 posted on 08/06/2006 3:53:03 PM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (I am the Chieftain of my Clan. I bow to nobody. Get out of my way.)
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To: Gengis Khan
"God is He/She/It."

You need to take a logic course.

A He cannot be a non-He. A She is a non-He, so a He cannot be a She.

An It cannot be a non-It. A He is not an It, nor is a She an It. A He is a non-It and a She is a non-It. So an It cannot be a He nor a She.

152 posted on 08/06/2006 8:18:56 PM PDT by gentlestrength
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To: Gengis Khan
there is no such thing as "right world view-point"

There is such a thing as an action being correct, and an action being incorrect, something being right and something being wrong.

God says He wants us to follow HIS viewpoints, not ours, and then explains what those are, and we can apply them in any culture. He wants us to love Him with our whole heart and mind and love our neighbor as ourselves.

Because God is not an "it" or some non-personal force, He is involved in our lives. He did not just create the universe and then go away. He is loving, and merciful, and wise, and only can do what is ultimately right and good in all situations.

He raises up nations and He takes them down. He allows evil to continue to be used for His purposes. If people are rejecting Him, often when things get bad enough, they finally will turn to Him and repent. And then God does help them. When He blesses them, they forget, and go back into their sin, until something finally gets their attention. God uses all these aspects to try to bring us to a real relationship with Him, where we want to serve and love Him willingly.

God can choose to allow "compulsions of a group of people" to rise if they are righteous, or the opposite, rise as they persist in evil. He chooses how to run the world. He is all-knowing and all-wise, and His ultimate aim is to get sinful people to turn from their sin and turn to Him.

So within each nation/history/geography/perspective you mention, are humans, people created in His image, the people He loves. Because He is holy and cannot lie, He is faithful to keep His promises, and works to try to bring each individual in whatever their worldview is, to Him.

If they turn to Him, and have been in a "wrong" worldview, He works to change their hearts and minds first as individuals, to transform them and make them more like Him, and then they work within their nation to get rid of the evil and advance His good. "

Why would God want to..."

Because He is good and full of grace and truth. He IS love! And we should be thankful and turn to Him and His forgiveness offered in His Son Jesus' death for us, before our own time here is through, which moment we never know.

153 posted on 08/06/2006 8:59:03 PM PDT by gentlestrength
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To: Gengis Khan
So is God an American?

Read the Bible for yourself and find out!

154 posted on 08/06/2006 9:36:51 PM PDT by gentlestrength
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To: Dog Gone
Look, genius, where do the Coke bottlers in India get their water? Norway?
 
You still don't get it do you? What does it matter where the water comes from? The business of BIS is to ensure that whatever is put on the shelf for public consumption is safe. If its not then its goes off the shelf. End of story.

I have no idea what the overall condition of Indian water supply is, but I doubt it's terrific. Maybe all the photos of people washing their clothes in the Ganges are fakes.
 
You live in the world of stereotypes and I live here in India and know a hell lot better about the water supply here. I am not saying the water supply is excellent. The quality of water here is as good as you can afford to have. For those who cant afford clean drinking water its bad enough for them. Fortunately I can afford the quality I want. And if I am paying Rs.15 for 300ml then I expect something that would at least measure up to consumable standard and the last thing I expect is some foreign company weaseling its away into my wallet and shoving a pesticidal drink down my throat that I am not even aware of what deadly stuff I am consuming. If I am paying money for it, I expect the quality and the safety standards and I demand it. I dont deserve to drink the poisonous shit from a foreign company that can live up to the bare minimum safety standard only because I live in a "poor third world country" and the rivers in my country is polluted.  I dont want excuses or alibis or some moronic remarks about about the general safety of water supply in India. If your stuff fails the test then you pack your crap and get the hell out. No amount of hollering about "protectionism" is likely to help. Gone are the days when India would get scared by such theatrics.

 I'm repeating myself here, but here's the story of this story.

Someone, (we don't know who, but let's guess, perhaps a domestic producer of soft drinks?) brings a suit claiming caffeine and aspertame are dangerous chemicals in Coke and Pepsi.

Never mind that caffeine is consumed in massive quantities in other Indian beverages, and I assume aspertame is available as well. Where's the lawsuit against Sweet and Low?

That didn't work, so they attempted the pesticide angle. They got a private group to come up with some research. Not a government group, a private group. Who knows how they're funded or what their real agenda is.

Then this group found two judges who ordered the soft drink companies two months to reveal the recipe for their syrup.

They could have ordered tests of their syrup for pesticides, but no, they want the secret recipe. Now why is that?

It has nothing to do with pesticides. It has everything to do with the companies obvious refusal to provide that.

They know Pepsi and Coke won't do that which will force them out of the country. Just as originally intended.
 
 
Hmmmm nice story. Very creative but I dont have time for such fairy tales. Cuz thats all you guys have got. Some conspiracy theories or some far fetched fairy tales. The theme being the same ......"communist" Indian government is doing this to kick out the American companies. Both Pepsi and Coke have been failing the the tests for quite some time now and in a number of cities. It was only a matter of time before they got banned. Too bad they didn't heed the warnings. Thought they could take advantage of the corrupt system and still stay in business. This time their luck ran out.


I don't really care that you're kicking our products out of the country, but your stupid lies as to why you're doing it are just stupid.
 
We already know who the real liars are.

In the meantime, have a BIG glass of water.
 
Yes and the water at my home is safer then whatever you drink. Trust me.

155 posted on 08/08/2006 6:37:33 AM PDT by Gengis Khan
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To: Dog Gone

"It's as credible as the Indian tricycles beating US tanks as was alleged upthread."

You got to get yourself a sense of humour and need to stop getting your panties in a wad everytime someone or something is claimed to be better then its American equivalent. And get over the attitude that everything about America and Americans have got to be the best ever (that includes shitty drinks). You got a big-time ego problem.


156 posted on 08/08/2006 6:43:13 AM PDT by Gengis Khan
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To: Gengis Khan

Why did they demand the recipe?

You chose not to answer that and called it a fairy tale. Of course, it's in the story, but never mind facts.

You drink your wonderful water in your house. It's better than mine, you say. Of course, in your next post you criticize me and other Americans for claiming that our stuff is the best ever.

What a hypocrite you are.


157 posted on 08/08/2006 3:15:26 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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