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Terror in the Skies
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Posted on 08/15/2006 5:56:49 PM PDT by truthfinder9

The recent terror attempt in Britian reminded me of Annie Jacobsen's account about flight 327 on Northwest Airlines that she believes was a "dry run" for terrorists. So one asks, how much of this has been going on? What other plots are in motion? Is it time to keep all foreigners off planes or subject to extreme scrutiny?


TOPICS: War on Terror; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: airlines; airlinesecurity; anniejacobsen; bombs; flight327; gwot; islam; islamist; jihad; jihadinamerica; jihadists; mooselimbs; muslim; religionofpeace; rop; terror; terrorism; terrorists; thereligionofpeace; trop; twot; war; waronterror; wot

1 posted on 08/15/2006 5:56:50 PM PDT by truthfinder9
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To: truthfinder9

indeed, it simply proves that jacobsen was 100% correct. that "syrian band" were a terror dry run.

she was interviewed by savage lst week - she talked about how the FBI just let them all go.


2 posted on 08/15/2006 5:58:55 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: truthfinder9

Profiling would work.


3 posted on 08/15/2006 6:02:17 PM PDT by mirkwood (Gun control isn't about guns. It's about control.)
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To: truthfinder9

You want to exclude all foreigners from flights to and within America?

You really haven't thought this through.


4 posted on 08/15/2006 6:03:05 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: truthfinder9

"...subject to extreme scrutiny."

Should have been in effect since 9-12-01, IMO.


5 posted on 08/15/2006 6:05:03 PM PDT by butternut_squash_bisque (The recipe's at my FR HomePage. Try it!)
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To: Dog Gone

Yes, I do. I also want mosques monitored, attendees identified and placed on the no-fly list unless they are heading back to a muslim country on a direct flight, and reentry be denied.

Islam is NOT any sort of a religion, but is a seditious political system sworn to dismantle our Constitution. It plainly says so in the Koran and encourages muslims to lie about this fact.

Simple enough.


6 posted on 08/15/2006 6:08:44 PM PDT by 308MBR ( "She pulled up her petticoat, and I pulled out for Tulsa!" Abstinence training from Bob Wills.)
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To: 308MBR
Okay, but you'll put an end to US/international business, clobber the tourism industry, and basically prevent any foreign carrier from coming to the US.

In my opinion, your suggestion is about a mile wide and 1/64th of an inch deep.

7 posted on 08/15/2006 6:12:30 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone

Whatever. I'm glad the muslims have fooled ONE person here on FR.

ALL foreigners should be subject to EXTREME SCRUTINY, and domestic muslims banned from flying anywhere except back home or to another country of their choice.

Furthermore, no more muslims should be admitted to the US under any circumstances.


8 posted on 08/15/2006 6:25:38 PM PDT by 308MBR ( "She pulled up her petticoat, and I pulled out for Tulsa!" Abstinence training from Bob Wills.)
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To: 308MBR

"Islam is NOT any sort of a religion, but is a seditious political system sworn to dismantle our Constitution. It plainly says so in the Koran..."


TOTAL LIES.

(Or, give the quote and its exact location(s) if you don't agree)


9 posted on 08/15/2006 6:27:10 PM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: 308MBR

Okay, so you'd ban the King of Jordan from coming here.

You are a fountain of terrific ideas. I can't wait to read more of them.


10 posted on 08/15/2006 6:28:13 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: truthfinder9

I remember that story. It gave you chills. I do think it was a dry run. Yes they were "checked out" and cleared but I would think if you are going to perform a dry run you would want to make sure they have an alibi so it doesn't affect the real event.

The only way we are going to effectively combat this war on terrorism now that the terrorist just ratcheted up the threat by trying another 9/11 is to:

• Bush needs to make a statement heard around the world that, THIS ENDS HERE AND NOW.
And spread the word, that if there is any further attempt to attack America and its citizens here or abroad America will hold all Islamic counties accountable be they friend or foe if we find they were involved in anyway in supporting the terrorist. And there is no weapon in our arsenal we would not consider using to eliminate the opposing countries regimes.

• We must “Threat Profile”. In war Desperate times calls for disparate measures.

In regards to threat profiling, Michelle Malkin wrote in her book, “Inconvenience, no matter how bothersome or offensive, is preferable to being incinerated at you office desk by a flaming hijacked plane. “


11 posted on 08/15/2006 6:29:43 PM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: canuck_conservative

Don't try to engage in rational argument here. It plainly won't work.

We have to keep Danish citizens from visiting Disney World.

That's the bottom line.


12 posted on 08/15/2006 6:37:24 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
You want to exclude all foreigners from flights to and within America?

Not all foreigners, only those adhering to a murderous seventh-century death cult masquerading as a religion.

13 posted on 08/15/2006 6:40:47 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: 308MBR

Your tagline is suggestively disgusting.

Are we missing something?


14 posted on 08/15/2006 6:45:02 PM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: DuncanWaring; truthfinder9

Well, truthfinder9 wants them all off. Even Tony Blair, I guess. Japanese can't even visit Hawaii. That'd at least open up some hotel rooms.

And I guess you don't want the Prime Minister of Iraq to show up here again. Or the President of Afghanistan.


15 posted on 08/15/2006 6:50:29 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone

Yes. We all know the economic power of muslim states, excepting oil of course. About zip. Of course they ARE buying our bonds with our oil money so we can keep up our expansion of social spending that would make LBJ blush.

We can make our own danged couscous here just fine. Buy all you want at Whole Foods. Synthetic rubber was invented years ago, so no need for Indonesian imports. Are you really THAT worried about your pistachios? Do you really like dates that much? Italians have the best olive oil anyway.

Oh no, things are just fine the way they are. The folks in Dearbornistan are loyal Americans, even though 80% admit to being more loyal to islam than the US and the other 20% lied. Heck yeah, we need MORE student visas so they can come and scatter like lice from a dead bum in the winter as soon as they hit the shores to do whatever, like becoming cell phone conglomerates. More airline pilots should be heard hollering "Allahu akbar" eleven or so times over the radio while they lawn dart airliners full of people into the Pacific. We need more muslim converts (racist fools) doing random sniping and killing from the convenience of their old car's trunk. There aren't enough muslims going into synogogues to get all the ladies shot inside in a reasonable amount of time. Not all the El-Al counters have been shot up by muslims, yet. There are entirely too many people queing up at CIA headquarters for security checks every shift, so we need more muslims to shoot up the lines of cars to relieve congestion. Not enough converts to islam (dupes) have been detonated sitting outside Division 1 football games.....

I'm shutting up about this now. If this isn't enough evidence for you, there are 1385 or so more years worth of it in well recorded history. I just hit about the last 12, and quite incompletely at that. You should apply to the State Department for a job as an analyst or something.

What are your ideas for minimizing the terrorist threat in the USA? I'd like to hear some of them. You probably sound like Kucinich.


16 posted on 08/15/2006 7:06:54 PM PDT by 308MBR ( "She pulled up her petticoat, and I pulled out for Tulsa!" Abstinence training from Bob Wills.)
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To: canuck_conservative

Read post 16 if you dare.


17 posted on 08/15/2006 7:10:47 PM PDT by 308MBR ( "She pulled up her petticoat, and I pulled out for Tulsa!" Abstinence training from Bob Wills.)
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To: 308MBR

"Italians have the best olive oil anyway."

Uh, unless Italy recently became the 51st state, those Italians are foreigners! Guess you are stuck using good old American corn oil.


18 posted on 08/15/2006 7:18:45 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: canuck_conservative

My "Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam" is out on loan right now. It's probably illegal to sell such a thing in canadastan, but it exists, has the quotations from both the Koran and Hadith on one side of the page vs. what Jesus said on the other.....and YOU should read it.

Don't take my word for it, read what Winston Churchill had to say about it, or for more convenience go to Freeper "DoctorMichael"'s home page here on FR and scroll down a bit to read for yourself.


19 posted on 08/15/2006 7:20:14 PM PDT by 308MBR ( "She pulled up her petticoat, and I pulled out for Tulsa!" Abstinence training from Bob Wills.)
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To: canuck_conservative

LOL

You sure missed out on Western Swing, but I guess apologists for Islamofascists don't want to really know about anything involving the word "West".


20 posted on 08/15/2006 7:21:15 PM PDT by 308MBR ( "She pulled up her petticoat, and I pulled out for Tulsa!" Abstinence training from Bob Wills.)
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To: Kirkwood

After "intense scrutiny" they may visit. No problem importing their olive oil.


21 posted on 08/15/2006 7:23:05 PM PDT by 308MBR ( "She pulled up her petticoat, and I pulled out for Tulsa!" Abstinence training from Bob Wills.)
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To: 308MBR
You don't even understand the fact that you called for banning ALL foreigners, not just muslims. Apparently in your mind, all foreigners are enemies.

It's hard to have a rational discussion with someone who starts of with your mindset.

You don't like foreigners, period. Not the ones who send us rubber, food, or anything else. There's a term for that. Xenophobia. Those scary Canadians might send us some lumber. SCARY.

My idea for reducing terrorism in this country is to keep doing what we're doing. It's obviously working. Nobody, including me, thought we'd go five years without another attack since 9/11.

I'm the furthest thing from Kucinich, but the fruitcake xenophobes can't distinguish anything outside of their nutty universe.

22 posted on 08/15/2006 7:28:59 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone

Now that was my bad there. I called for "intense scrutiny" of all foreigners and banning of all muslims, and I corrected that in another post on the thread, or thought I did. If not, I have now.

I like Irishmen, Canadians, Englishmen, Mexicans, Africans, Germans and Romanian Jews just fine. Some of these people are business partners of mine and the rest I deal with every day. All are either here legally or have already become citizens.

If you think we haven't been hit since 9-11, you must be getting your news from "See BS". Admittedly, many of these hits were freelancers, but almost all were PROVEN to have been done by muslims, and the shootings at the synogogue were just the latest. About seven months ago there was a missile that barely missed an airliner taking off from LAX, widely discussed here on FR, and nothing was in the mainstream media. Two years ago, there was the massive blackout in the midwest and Canada, and while the sparks were still flying the FBI was saying it wasn't terrorism, the explanation provided for it later was so idiotically convoluted that it would be suspicious to anyone who could change the battery in their car, and a few weeks later dynamite was found on transmission towers out west, and that was off the air in less than two hours.

You may still think I'm irrational, or whatever. I think anyone who believes domestic terrorism by muslims only started on 9-11 and has not happened since is either oblivious, an idiot, or a muslim apologist.


23 posted on 08/15/2006 7:47:24 PM PDT by 308MBR ( "She pulled up her petticoat, and I pulled out for Tulsa!" Abstinence training from Bob Wills.)
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To: 308MBR
I don't think we've been hit again since 9/11. I'm aware of those other incidents, but they didn't really hit us, and I think they have plausible explanations.

Individual muslims have done random acts of murder and mayhem here since then, but so have atheists and every other brand of belief. I guess we could discuss what the line is between crime and terrorism, but from my perspective we've prevented it here since 2001. At least in successful attempts.

I don't dispute that we're in an epic battle with Islamic radicals and we should take extraordinary efforts to fight them. They will kill us if they can.

I just don't want this to disintegrate to a level where we're saying all foreigners should be shot on sight.

And that's where this thread was pointed from the start.
24 posted on 08/15/2006 8:11:30 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: 308MBR

Why do you do that?

Slip in a personal insult every time someone doesn't agree 100% with you?

I'm a music fan; I WOULD like to know more about Bob Wills and Western swing. And I live in The West of a Western country.

But skip the insults.


25 posted on 08/15/2006 8:13:32 PM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: Dog Gone
And I guess you don't want the Prime Minister of Iraq to show up here again. Or the President of Afghanistan.

They can visit.

In their own airplanes.

With a pair of F-16s flying escort.

26 posted on 08/15/2006 8:14:59 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring

I see, the King of Jordan needs some Air Force escorts because he's a threat to fly into the White House.


I don't even know how to argue with someone who holds that perspective. You're out of my universe of people I can understand.


27 posted on 08/15/2006 8:25:49 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: canuck_conservative

Insults? I'm sorry that I took your comment as an insult. My bad.


28 posted on 08/15/2006 8:27:30 PM PDT by 308MBR ( "She pulled up her petticoat, and I pulled out for Tulsa!" Abstinence training from Bob Wills.)
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To: Dog Gone

Individual muslims are the problem, not necessarily because of WHAT they have done, but WHY they do these things.

It's quite simple actually. If you have no individual muslims, you also don't have GROUPS of muslims taking over airplanes, blowing up electrical grids, putting IEDs by the road, taking physical and economic actions against people of other religions, kidnapping and beheading folks for fun, etc.

Which is exactly WHY mosques should be bugged, their attendees identified, and at least banned from flying, owning guns, being in law enforcement, the military OR any government agency. The US military KNOWS this. That is why NO MUSLIMS were sent to the middle east after the fragging of some officers in Afghanistan by a native convert to Islam.

I know I sound loopy at first from time to time (quite often actually), and I'm the first to admit I'm not always right. But there is no sense in wading in crap all day, day after day, and wondering why your shoes stink when you get home at night. This issue is easily resolved, and much of the problem was seen standing behind Cynthia McKinney a few days ago yelling at the camera.

I have never advocating shooting all muslims on sight, and will not because there is a SMALL chance they could learn the error of their faith. However, when they stand up and delcare the US Constitution should be replaced by Sharia law or require special privliges because of their beliefs, I'm not the one putting them in the crosshairs. They are doing it themselves.

I hope we can be friends.


29 posted on 08/15/2006 8:44:14 PM PDT by 308MBR ( "She pulled up her petticoat, and I pulled out for Tulsa!" Abstinence training from Bob Wills.)
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To: canuck_conservative

A little more about my current tagline.

There is this little song called "Take Me Back to Tulsa" that the topic is a lamentation of an Oklahoma boy's aversion to marriage due to his youth. It has a little four line verse(s) with the rhyme scheme of ABCB (The first and third lines don't rhyme while the second and fourth do.) that was wound up all sorts of crazy ways by Wills in live concerts. This tradition of crazy verses was continued by a wonderful band "Asleep at the Wheel" who covered ALL of Wills' stuff. On one of their live albums which I once had on cassette and wore out, they did a verse;
"She was down at the railroad track,
And I went there to meet her.
She pulled up her petticoat,
And I pulled out for Tulsa."

The word "Tulsa" was rather unexpected at that point, since this was almost the sixth verse they had done at that time, and was quite funny. I know the rhyme scheme of THAT verse is ABCD, but hey......I guess you had to be there.;)


30 posted on 08/15/2006 8:54:59 PM PDT by 308MBR ( "She pulled up her petticoat, and I pulled out for Tulsa!" Abstinence training from Bob Wills.)
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To: 308MBR

It's just that I know some Muslims at the office, and while I'm not close friends with them, I have discussed the WOT and they seem to be appalled at the hijacking of their religion by the islamofascists.

There's no way I'd support them being prohibited from flying. They are Americans first, employees second, and muslims third. They have to travel as part of their job. Why should they be banned from airports?


31 posted on 08/16/2006 6:00:06 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone

Read the "Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam", then ask yourself that question.

Until Islam experiences a reformation to the point they look on all the lying to the "Kaffirs", the institution of "dhimmitude", and killing people who refuse to convert with the same attitude as Christians look on carrying out regular stonings of adulterers, I'd watch my back. They are either pulling your leg, or are higher on the true muslim's kill list than you or I. Read what Churchill had to say about islam. It's not a religion, but a political system.

To paraphrase, I'm sure there are Beagles who can work a duck hunt just fine. The odds of a particular Beagle being able to get ducks.....is quite remote.


32 posted on 08/16/2006 6:42:19 AM PDT by 308MBR ( "She pulled up her petticoat, and I pulled out for Tulsa!" Abstinence training from Bob Wills.)
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To: canuck_conservative; 308MBR

Just remember - "It don't matter who's in Austin, Bob Wills is still the King".


33 posted on 08/16/2006 12:49:50 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring

Hey Bubba, it doesn't look like I need to 'splain anything to you.

Good to meet you! Thanks for the ping.


34 posted on 08/16/2006 9:58:27 PM PDT by 308MBR ( "She pulled up her petticoat, and I pulled out for Tulsa!" Abstinence training from Bob Wills.)
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