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Painter Said to Be Focus of FBI Probe (Thomas Kinkade)
Los Angeles Times ^ | August 29, 2006 | Kim Christiensen

Posted on 08/29/2006 2:34:35 PM PDT by Cecily

The FBI is investigating allegations that self-styled "Painter of Light" Thomas Kinkade and some of his top executives fraudulently induced investors to open galleries and then ruined them financially, former dealers contacted by federal agents said.

Investigators are focusing on issues raised in civil litigation by at least six former Thomas Kinkade Signature Gallery owners, people who have been contacted by the FBI said.

ADVERTISEMENTThe ex-owners allege in arbitration claims that, among other things, the artist known for his dreamily luminous landscapes and street scenes used his Christian faith to persuade them to invest in the independently owned stores, which sell only Kinkade's work.

"They really knew how to bait the hook," said one former dealer who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the case. "They certainly used the Christian hook."

Kinkade has denied the allegations in the civil litigation.

Two former dealers told the Los Angeles Times that they had been asked to provide documentation of their business relationships with Kinkade's company. They said agents asked for copies of dealer agreements, retail sales policies, training materials from "Thomas Kinkade University" and correspondence, including e-mail.

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To: Sam Cree
more an observation of the use of it for a questionable commecrial purpose.

how does the excercise of one's religion -- real or alleged -- qualify as a "questionable commercial" purpose? I mean, if he wasn't promising that people buying his paintings would get into heaven sooner would be able to stay out of hell no matter what they did, what's the problem?

81 posted on 08/29/2006 4:13:45 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (hack for liberty.)
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To: pollyannaish

let's make it a family affair:
N.C. Wyeth
He sure could cover the range of themes from old European tales,
Early America and the Wild West


82 posted on 08/29/2006 4:15:45 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Publius6961

"Well, that's really an unfair comparison."

I guess it is. That's why I have Parrish prints in my home, and not any of that Kinkade stuff. It's too cheesey for my taste. Not that I'm an expert or anything....


83 posted on 08/29/2006 4:16:33 PM PDT by mockingbyrd
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To: Cecily
As always, his paintings lack logic.

they all come out of the woodwork to kick a guy when he's down...(only half kidding).

No, I don't own a single Kincaide painting, but I think I did give someone a calendar for Christmas once, before these galleries started popping up. But that was probably me just falling for his "using religion for a questionable commercial purpose" and all.

84 posted on 08/29/2006 4:16:41 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (hack for liberty.)
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To: pollyannaish

LOL. Nope, sorry, my guy Turner's the man. Monet, second.Everybody else can arm wrestle over third. (Wouldn't it be great if an art thread on FR actually got as heated as one of those immigration threads?)


85 posted on 08/29/2006 4:18:07 PM PDT by leilani
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To: leilani
heck, I'll take Stan Lee over Kinkade. (I know different genre's etc, but you know what I mean.)
86 posted on 08/29/2006 4:21:19 PM PDT by mockingbyrd
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To: VOA

That's because you have remarkably good taste!


87 posted on 08/29/2006 4:22:04 PM PDT by mockingbyrd
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To: VOA

I have so many books illustrated by N.C.Wyeth. His illustrations were beautiful.


88 posted on 08/29/2006 4:23:13 PM PDT by mockingbyrd
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To: the invisib1e hand

So....if you're business decision doesn't work...just sue? TOUGH LUCK investors.


89 posted on 08/29/2006 4:25:58 PM PDT by Hildy (Faith is not believing that God can. It is knowing that God will.)
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To: Doomonyou

Uhhh..Actually, I believe that fellow is Elvis.

Art is the one who sang with Paul Simon.

<\sarc>


90 posted on 08/29/2006 4:26:55 PM PDT by Museum Twenty (Proudly supporting President George W. Bush - Proudly shouting "Rumsfeld '08!")
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To: Cecily

Oh so what. I never got his paintings...but others loved it. So now, that he's out of vogue, everyone is going to pile on? Whatever happened to his Kincaid communities? They were actually building master planned communities based on his paintings... One day we will look back at the late 1990's and just shake our heads in amazement.


91 posted on 08/29/2006 4:28:12 PM PDT by Hildy (Faith is not believing that God can. It is knowing that God will.)
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To: the invisib1e hand
Well, let me say it this way.

First of all, it is not against the law to market things in any way one wishes. As a capitalist, I support the free market and say more power too him. Whatever he wants to do.

However, as a Christian I am uncomfortable with marketing basically secular materials to other Christians on the basis of "Hey look! I'm a Christian too!" We do that kind of thing in politics all the time. Think John Kerry suddenly hanging out in a Catholic Church.

Now, if Kinkade was interviewed and happened to mention that he is a Christian and is inspired by his faith...no problem. That is why President Bush's faith has never bothered me. He has pretty much used it to explain his world view.

I guess for me it is about purpose. If it is used as a PLOY, I believe from a spiritual/moral perspective that is wrong. If it is an explanation of world view, that is a different issue all together. And if it is just about "marketing" well, its a free market and people are free to do what they see fit.

I just find it disingenuous and shallow. Christianity is not an exclusive buying club where you display your membership card at the door and leave with giant jars of artichoke hearts.
92 posted on 08/29/2006 4:28:41 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: VOA
N.C. Wyeth

I can live with that.

93 posted on 08/29/2006 4:29:39 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: the invisib1e hand
"how does the excercise of one's religion -- real or alleged -- qualify as a "questionable commercial" purpose?"

Because I don't believe Kincaid's work is intended to be a tribute to the glory of our Lord. It is intended instead to make money for Kincaid. The use of religion is OK for the first premise, but not the second, IMO.

Beyond that, it seems questionable whether Kincaid is a good Christian, or whether his work reflects well on Christianity.

94 posted on 08/29/2006 4:32:55 PM PDT by Sam Cree (Don't mix alcopops and ufo's)
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To: mockingbyrd
>As far as painters of light go....I'll take Maxfield Parish hands down.<

My favorite is not a painter, he's a photographer, Galen Rowell (1940-2002):

The man was without equal. That photograph is unaltered.

95 posted on 08/29/2006 4:34:34 PM PDT by Darnright (http://www.irey.com/)
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To: Sam Cree
Art ping

"Art?" You forgot the sarcasm tag.
96 posted on 08/29/2006 4:34:42 PM PDT by LanaTurnerOverdrive
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To: leilani
LOL. That would be fun.

Unfortunately, we'd have to argue over whether "illustration" is really art, since I tend to favor "illustration." I'm a serious sucker for good American Folk Art as well.

That said, I like the classics...so call me equal opportunity. Rembrandt, DaVinci (for more than art) and Michealangelo all completely and utterly blow me away. I have to say though, when it comes to impressionists...I'm a Seurat girl. (Are you seeing a pattern here? LOL)
97 posted on 08/29/2006 4:35:41 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: leilani
You wrote, "Wouldn't it be great if an art thread on FR actually got as heated as one of those immigration threads?"

Clearly, you missed some of the 'abstract versus realism' threads. Maybe not quite as heated as the immigration dust-ups, but still...
98 posted on 08/29/2006 4:38:02 PM PDT by Rembrandt_fan
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To: Rembrandt_fan
He's sort of a hybrid between Norman Rockwell and Andy Warhol

Interesting comparison and I think you are accurate re: marketing saavy. But I find both Rockwell and Warhol more interesting subject-wise and better interpreters of their contemporary cultures. I wonder if Kinkade will connect that deeply and that broadly in the long run.

99 posted on 08/29/2006 4:39:12 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: Sam Cree
Thank you. That is exactly what I have been struggling to convey.

Very succinctly put, although I would add that I am in no position to question Kinkade's personal walk. That is above my pay grade, so to speak.

100 posted on 08/29/2006 4:41:21 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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