"But we love each other!"
Posted on 08/30/2006 12:17:45 PM PDT by Bushwacker777
"The British Fertility Society is recommending women with a body mass index of 36 and over should not be allowed access to fertility treatment.
Underweight women and those classed just as obese (BMI over 29) should be forced to address their weight before starting treatment, the society said. "
(Excerpt) Read more at news.bbc.co.uk ...
That recommendation would draw a racial discrimination suit before the ink on it dried if someone made it in the States.
Just curious - wonder why they only mention obese in the title and not the underweight, since underweight is also mentioned in the article.
Fertility bran?
It fits the "Obesity Crisis" template?
Who's next on the liberal hit list?
Owl_Eagle
If what I just wrote made you sad or angry,
it was probably just a joke.
"But we love each other!"
certainly not the homosexuals. That's a personal lifestyle choice...
There wouldn't be a problem as long as it is framed as a health issue. BMI of 31 is serious fatass and unhealthy.
I thought "obesity" was self perpetuating.......
Fat chicks to the back of the line, homosexuals and wannabe unwed mothers, step to the front please!
Oh yeah? Serious fatass?
Maybe I just have big bones, buddy.
What they DON'T address in the typical 'fat people are stupid' vein, is that ALOT of the women who are having fertility problems AND are obese most likely have Poly Cystic Ovarian Syndrome. A disease that CAUSES obesity as well as infertility.
If they treated one, they would probably rectify the other.
But doctors are Gods and all they have to do to absolve themselves of any responsibility or good doctoring is say "Diet and exercise". Unfortunately, there are medical reasons that make it difficult, if not impossible for some (not all of course) to lose weight even with Diet and Exercise. I was eating 900 calories a day and walking two miles four to five times a week and managed to lose a whopping 10 lbs in four months. I hear other people say they got sick and lost 10 lbs in a week. People's bodies ARE different, but it's ok to hate fat people so don't bother having an understanding or compassion for them.
I calculate that for a woman of median height of 5'4" (1.63 m), a BMI of 29 corresponds to 277 lbs (126 Kg)
Because the title mentions a ban only for the obese. Skinny's are not banned.
Hey, the fat ass girl paid her taxes just the same as the skinny amenorrheic jogger. This ain't right.
-ccm
We must stamp out poverty to stamp out obesity!
I just like writing that. It shows how upside down/inside out we are :) Studies show that there exists direct correlation to obesity and poverty.
What was I thinking, the war on poverty should include health club memberships for the morbidly poor.
"Underweight women and those classed just as obese (BMI over 29) should be forced to address their weight before starting treatment, the society said. "
the way it's going, skinny's definitely the sign of beauty because of the rarity. Just like they used to idolize hefty girls when everyone was hungry. Talking teh Renaissance.
British scientists demand "unclean/clean" caste system be created.
Duplicate post - same link to the same BBC article.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1692450/posts
Is this paid for by public funds? I really can't imagine that GB would try and prevent women of any size who could pay for their own treatment.
Something has to be done. God knows what, though. I know a family where the grown children are obese. The daughter has five kids and a hernia that's torn her abdomen muscles and her organs are all falling out to one side, not where they should be. (Sorry for graphic descrip.) She's a candidate for gastric bypass surgery, and frankly, without it, she's a goner. Five kids. Who will raise them if she dies? The state. Her mother is way overweight and dabbles in dieting to no avail. Her brother smokes, is huge, coughs like mad, and is diabetic. Thirty-one years old. Another family....the thirtyish son, obese, heavy smoker...had a massive stroke recently. His eyes are open now, after weeks and weeks of unconsciousness. God knows how he'll do. One nurse said dismissively, "Oh, he's smoker? Might as well pull the plug." The rest of the staff at the rehabilitation center are kind.)
The poor can't afford fresh fruits and veggies, alas. The food they can afford, and the stuff the feds give away put on the pounds. Macaroni, pasta, beans, rice, etc..
I think your calculator is off. At 5' 4" the BMI for a 175 lb. person is 30 and 210 lb. generates a 36, which is the cutoff point recommended in the article.
"Fat chicks to the back of the line, homosexuals and wannabe unwed mothers, step to the front please!"
Yes, unwed mothers and the statistical likelihood of a life of poverty is much more desirable than having a fat mom.
I'm not even going to touch the pillow biter angle.
Actually, based on that height and weight, the BMI would be 47.5.
For a 5'4" woman to have a BMI of 29, she would weigh approximately 170 lbs. Which is a huge difference!
Health food was a niche market devised to serve the well-off. No person on WIC can afford the organic veggies from the grocery store.
Give me a break, every food stamp/EBT user I have ever seen has a cart full of soda and Twinkies.
Fresh and whole grain food is very inexpensive and filling. Rice and beans are not fattening unless you eat too much of them!
Silly propaganda.
The BAN: The British Fertility Society is recommending women with a body mass index of 36 and over should not be allowed access to fertility treatment.
Not banned:"Underweight women and those classed just as obese (BMI over 29) should be forced to address their weight before starting treatment, the society said. "
I don't see what part of this you don't get. You asked why skinny people aren't mentioned in the title. Only the obese are banned. The moderateley obese and underwight only have to address their weight, and are not banned. How much crap can they put in a title. What part of your own question is not answered by the simple first 2 parts of the article itself, OR what part of your question do you not understand?
To me, obesity seems to be within the control of the obese. I agree that there certainly are genetic and metabolic differences between people; for example, an identical 1500 calorie per day diet may cause one person to gain weight and another person to lose weight. However, there would seem to be some appropriate caloric intake that, for the weight gainer, would lead to long term weight loss.
In my opinion, a high percentage (not all) of obesity cases are due to lack of will power.
The difference is that IVF doesn't work on very obese women so why should the money and time be spent, particularly under a government plan, for treating these women. It would be more effective for women to determine what the underlying reason is for their massive obesity and correct that, then let fertility take its natural result. Also, don't forget that most men deny fertility treatment to very obese women, too. < / sarc>
I hear that small fiddle....
Beans & rice are very nutritious and low cal to boot. Funny the poor can always afford soda & cigs.
I buy organic carrots for a dollar a bag at Walmart. It depends on WHERE a person shops. The most expensive organic food is at Whole Foods, the cheapest is at Walmart. Even better than buying the stuff, I get it right out the garden or the wild chickory growing in my yard. Organic bulk grains are very cheap and so are beans. That's carb and protein right there. I think a person on WIC may feel self conscious shopping at a high and mighty grocery store but they do. I know because I rang up a few when I worked at Whole Foods. WFM will seriously drain a person's wallet :(
yep
Height: 5 feet, 4 inches
Weight: 210 pounds
Your BMI is 36, indicating your weight is in the obese category for adults of your height.
900 calories isn't enough for anyone to maintain normal body processes. You were starving yourself.
Excellent points, but not exactly related to my post. I was attempting to point out that minority women are much more likely to be obese, so this recommendation would be de facto racial discrimination. This would draw a lawsuit in a heartbeat here.
BMI = [Body Mass in Kg / (Height in meters cubed)]
A 5'4" woman who weighs 170 lbs is 1.63 m and 77 Kg. That makes a BMI of 17.8
"I calculate that for a woman of median height of 5'4" (1.63 m), a BMI of 29 corresponds to 277 lbs (126 Kg)"
You should use this calculator then:
http://www.nhlbisupport.com/bmi/bmicalc.htm
The BMI for the woman you describe would be 47.5.
A 5'4" person with a BMI of 29 would weigh in at 169 lbs.
Good post. My body fat is at about 11% or 12% but my BMI is somewhere in the low to mid 20's. BMI measures can be very misleading.
You might want to check your self smartass.
There is no ban. What part of the article did you not understand?
I'm surprised they are using BMI as the sole criteria. BMI can be misleading. I'm a pretty tiny person (5'4", 110 lbs), but by no means anorexic. That puts me at an 18.9 BMI, which by their definition would define me as underweight.
I'm very healthy - heredity was very good to me. I just happen to have the metabolism of a hummingbird. So I guess I shouldn't have fertility treatment?
The calculator does not state the formula it uses to calculate results.
I'm sure they are using skinfold or other method (weight in water?) for the proper BMI index?
Wow you've never been to the shopping malls on Long Island. Everyone is fat there. How many minorities are getting fertility treatments I wonder. The few that I knew were slim, professional women. A lot of the minority obesity is related to class and poverty. I don't know if I agree there'd be a lawsuit though.
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