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Call for fertility ban for obese
BBC ^ | August 30

Posted on 08/30/2006 12:17:45 PM PDT by Bushwacker777

"The British Fertility Society is recommending women with a body mass index of 36 and over should not be allowed access to fertility treatment.

Underweight women and those classed just as obese (BMI over 29) should be forced to address their weight before starting treatment, the society said. "

(Excerpt) Read more at news.bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bioethics; bodymassindex; eugenics; homosexualagenda; infertilitybritain; junkscience; meisterrace; nannystate; neonazis; obesity; pseudoscience; socializedmedicine; survivalofthefattest
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To: GatorGirl
For a 5'4" woman to have a BMI of 29, she would weigh approximately 170 lbs. Which is a huge difference!

BMI = [Body Mass in Kg / (Height in meters cubed)]

A 5'4" woman who weighs 170 lbs is 1.63 m and 77 Kg. That makes a BMI of 17.8

41 posted on 08/30/2006 12:55:31 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: RebelBanker
minority women are much more likely to be obese

Really? Wasn't aware of this...
42 posted on 08/30/2006 12:56:39 PM PDT by Stone Mountain
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To: Paleo Conservative

"I calculate that for a woman of median height of 5'4" (1.63 m), a BMI of 29 corresponds to 277 lbs (126 Kg)"

You should use this calculator then:
http://www.nhlbisupport.com/bmi/bmicalc.htm

The BMI for the woman you describe would be 47.5.

A 5'4" person with a BMI of 29 would weigh in at 169 lbs.


43 posted on 08/30/2006 12:56:48 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

Good post. My body fat is at about 11% or 12% but my BMI is somewhere in the low to mid 20's. BMI measures can be very misleading.


44 posted on 08/30/2006 12:58:10 PM PDT by Obadiah
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To: Toby06

You might want to check your self smartass.

There is no ban. What part of the article did you not understand?


45 posted on 08/30/2006 12:58:52 PM PDT by elc (Feeling the babywearing love)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

I'm surprised they are using BMI as the sole criteria. BMI can be misleading. I'm a pretty tiny person (5'4", 110 lbs), but by no means anorexic. That puts me at an 18.9 BMI, which by their definition would define me as underweight.

I'm very healthy - heredity was very good to me. I just happen to have the metabolism of a hummingbird. So I guess I shouldn't have fertility treatment?


46 posted on 08/30/2006 12:59:02 PM PDT by kemathen7
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To: RebelBanker
Found this - looks like you're right - very interesting...

http://www.obesity.org/subs/fastfacts/obesity_youth.shtml

I wonder if this is a poverty-type issue or cultural...
47 posted on 08/30/2006 12:59:03 PM PDT by Stone Mountain
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

The calculator does not state the formula it uses to calculate results.


48 posted on 08/30/2006 12:59:05 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

I'm sure they are using skinfold or other method (weight in water?) for the proper BMI index?


49 posted on 08/30/2006 12:59:17 PM PDT by zek157
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To: RebelBanker

Wow you've never been to the shopping malls on Long Island. Everyone is fat there. How many minorities are getting fertility treatments I wonder. The few that I knew were slim, professional women. A lot of the minority obesity is related to class and poverty. I don't know if I agree there'd be a lawsuit though.


50 posted on 08/30/2006 12:59:27 PM PDT by cyborg (No I don't miss the single life at all.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

The denominator should be height in meters squared, not cubed, according to the CDC.


51 posted on 08/30/2006 12:59:30 PM PDT by RebelBanker (If you can't do something smart, do something right.)
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To: Paleo Conservative
You have a strange calculator (I'd be Karen Carpenter if your calculator was accurate)

Here's a link to one that works--

LINK

52 posted on 08/30/2006 1:00:03 PM PDT by GatorGirl
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To: MPJackal

All a part of the suicide of the West.

I would assert that societal degeneracy -- like this example of promoting homosexuality and illegitimacy -- pushed by liberals, has a bigger effect in recruiting misguided people in Western countries into Islam than does the so-called Bush/Blair foreign policy.


53 posted on 08/30/2006 1:01:12 PM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: zek157
BMI of 31 is serious fatass and unhealthy.

Your argument might have some merit if the BMI system was screwed up to being with.

54 posted on 08/30/2006 1:01:25 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Property tax is feudalism. Income taxes are armed robbery of the minority by the majority.)
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To: zek157
Beans & rice are very nutritious and low cal to boot.

I agree, a very rib sticking meal, low cost and low cal.

I can eat plain beans and I will have an "odor aura" from foul flatulance for two days. If I eat some rice, particularly brown rice, with my beans, I could comfortably sit in church and not break a sweat. Nothing will instill fear in a man sitting on a wooden pew like a stomach full of gas bubbles...

55 posted on 08/30/2006 1:01:30 PM PDT by IamConservative (Humility is not thinking less of oneself; humility is thinking about oneself less.)
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To: hershey

good points.


56 posted on 08/30/2006 1:02:32 PM PDT by kinghorse (I calls them like I sees them)
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To: cyborg

The basic facts of a healthy diet (note... diet meaning food intake, NOT food reduction) seem far beyond the basic person's grasp. We pride ourselves on gym memberships and exercise, and yet I know of few people who do the work figuring out exactly what it is they are putting in their bodies.

Habitually, I stay beneath the caloric intake guidelines, that's just the way I am.

And STILL I have a hard time explaining to people that there IS a difference between margarine and butter, that bacon isn't necessarily a good choice, and that fruit eaten daily curbs the appetite.

Maybe we are all making incrimental changes, and I am not able to see the forest for the trees. But I STILL believe weight is going to be one of our nation's health concerns for generations to come. Where has personal responsibility gone?


57 posted on 08/30/2006 1:02:33 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife ("Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny. "--Aeschylus)
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To: Stone Mountain
minority women are much more likely to be obese

Really? Wasn't aware of this...

Go to a walmart or a mall and just take a look around.

58 posted on 08/30/2006 1:03:07 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Property tax is feudalism. Income taxes are armed robbery of the minority by the majority.)
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To: cyborg

>>>900 calories isn't enough for anyone to maintain normal body processes. You were starving yourself.>>>

No kidding. Frustration will do that to you. Especially when you are overwieght and hear "diet and exercise" over and over. So you go a little lower. Little lower. Little lower. The scale isn't budging so you must still be eating too much!!

I just gave up and when I was finally diagnosed with PCOS I let it go a little. Still overwieght, but not obese. The medication and hormonal remedies have helped. Also discovered a thyroid issue that is being taken care of. But at least I don't feel like a big loser because my neighbor can eat McDonald's three times a day and be a size 8, while I eat salads and protein shakes and size 14.


59 posted on 08/30/2006 1:04:25 PM PDT by sandbar
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To: Pan_Yans Wife

Agree 100%


60 posted on 08/30/2006 1:04:46 PM PDT by cyborg (No I don't miss the single life at all.)
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