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Mini Guns Put ATF On Alert
WCBS-TV (New York) ^ | 9/6/06 | Ti-Hua Chang

Posted on 09/08/2006 9:34:34 AM PDT by kiriath_jearim

Federal ATF Agents issued an officer safety advisory on what is called the world’s smallest gun after a CBS 2 inquiry. The Alert has been issued both in the New York and nationally to all Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives criminal investigators and will be passed on to other federal agencies.

ATF has confiscated thousands of disguised or miniature guns -- from flashlights that shoot a .25 caliber bullet to pen guns.

The latest miniature gun that is alarming ATF agents is the SwissMiniGun. It’s extremely small -- just over two inches long. It comes with tiny bullets designed especially for the weapon that can penetrate skin. Even in its holster, this gun is so small that law enforcement experts say it could pass for a keychain ornament.

According to William McMahon, special agent in charge of the New York ATF office, that makes it the perfect stealth weapon for a variety of criminals.

“A terrorist, a criminal trying to sneak into bank, all kinds of criminals. I can see no legitimate reason to own this gun. It seems to be just made to be hidden,” McMahon said.

As its name indicates, the SwissMiniGun is manufactured in Switzerland. CBS 2 News reached the company's CEO, Paul Erard, by phone.

He said the gun is a miniature, detailed copy of the Colt Python revolver. He sells it for roughly $5,000 to gun collectors (though he added that most of his guns are encrusted with diamonds and gold, so they can cost $30,000).

He said he has sold 50 miniguns, all to only one area of the world. “Contacts in the Middle East asked me to make a miniature of Colt Python," said Erard.

Erard refused to say which Middle-Eastern countries. His reaction when asked if terrorists might use it? At first he laughed and said, “ Absolutely ridiculous.”

When CBS 2 got him to admit his gun shoots bullets using gunpowder, he then changed his tone. “Of course I am concerned as manufacturers of air guns are concerned. This is not a toy,” said Erard.

A national police organization notes that unlike air guns, SwissMiniGuns can be concealed and shoot with gunpowder bullets that travel at 400-plus feet per second. These bullets could be aimed at the face.

Joe Occhipinti of the National Police Defense Foundation was alarmed by the SwissMiniGun’s potential uses, noting, “In a routine stop, a guy could certainly make a joke, and 'Say see my little gun here?' point at the officer and shoot. It looks like a key chain and [an officer’s] guard would be down."

Occhipinti added, "I could easily see a passenger attempting to go to an airport take out a key chain put in with coins in the little basket. No one would detect that."

SwissMiniGuns cannot be legally imported into the United States because the barrel is less than three inches long -- in this case, a lot less.

No SwissMiniGuns have been recovered here yet, but McMahon admits, “If it came into the United States, it would be a concern.”

This alert is the result of a single officer in Maryland seeing the gun on a Web site and alerting other officers, including the National Police Defense Foundation.

CBS 2 News learned of the weapon and passed word on to the ATF. It is an example of officers using the Internet the way some terrorists do but in this case, to combat them.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: atf; bang; banglist; bs; swissminigun
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To: from occupied ga

No argument from me.


81 posted on 09/08/2006 12:31:35 PM PDT by Badray (While defending the land called America, we must also be sure to preserve the Idea called America.)
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To: rellimpank
I wonder if it could penetrate through a coat or heavy shirt?If I could choose a weapon for my enemy,I would give him this gun instead of a knife.
82 posted on 09/08/2006 12:31:41 PM PDT by peeps36 (Rebuild Iraq's Army And Send It Over To Kick Iran In The Teeth)
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To: kiriath_jearim
Miniature Uzi L0L
83 posted on 09/08/2006 12:34:22 PM PDT by mylife (the roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: peeps36

---yep--I'd feel totally safe with my glasses on-


84 posted on 09/08/2006 12:38:17 PM PDT by rellimpank (Don't believe anything about firearms or explosives stated by the mass media---NRABenefactor)
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To: MediaMole
How does one shoot that thing? You'd need tweezers to pull the trigger.

That's probably why they won't let you take tweezers on board an aircraft anymore. ;o)

85 posted on 09/08/2006 12:54:13 PM PDT by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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To: kiriath_jearim
FOX NEWS ALERT!
BATFE ON LOOKOUT FOR MININUKES, TOO!
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86 posted on 09/08/2006 12:56:26 PM PDT by BorisTheBulletDodger (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: Larry Lucido

This may be what I had in mind - actually a single shot .45.
FP-45 Liberator

I'd like a case of those, please!


87 posted on 09/08/2006 12:59:27 PM PDT by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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To: Charlespg

"you sir are a dammed idiot"

And you are too nice. Moron studying hard to be an idiot, and failing miserably.


88 posted on 09/08/2006 1:01:03 PM PDT by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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To: kiriath_jearim
Its a joke, right? I can't see the jack-booted ATF gun-grabbing fascists being obssessed over a toy gun. This IS a toy gun!

(No more Olmert! No more Kadima! No more Oslo! )

89 posted on 09/08/2006 1:02:45 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Charlespg
Its TOO small to be lethal. William McMahon has lost his mind. I didn't know miniguns were banned. A barrel at less than 3 inches? Nah, trying a hold up with one would lead people to laugh themselves to death!

(No more Olmert! No more Kadima! No more Oslo! )

90 posted on 09/08/2006 1:06:05 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: kiriath_jearim
In related news a flea circus splinter group has joined Al Quaeda and refused to come out of the matchbox they are hold up in...


91 posted on 09/08/2006 1:07:31 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life)
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To: kiriath_jearim
If fired upon, I would basically become quite annoyed.

I would make the perp swallow it.

92 posted on 09/08/2006 1:09:32 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Islam is a perversion of faith, a lie against human spirit, an obscenity shouted in the face of G_d)
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To: Lazamataz

Sarah Brady says you're 43 times more likely to swallow a mini gun than to use one to successfully commit a robbery.


93 posted on 09/08/2006 1:22:26 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: kiriath_jearim; Slings and Arrows
No SwissMiniGuns have been recovered here yet

ATF needs magnifying glasses....

94 posted on 09/08/2006 1:23:01 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!|What if I lecture Americans about America?)
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To: kiriath_jearim
When I first read this, I thought it was from the Onion and was laughing. Now that I realize it's a real (well, not really) news story I don't know whether to laugh or cry at how ridiculous people are nowadays.

I've been shot with a mid power bb gun (say, 500 fps) at about 10-15 yards and it didn't break the skin. It did, however, hurt like hell and left a large black and blue. A bb is definitely bigger than what comes out of this gun and it's travelling at relatively the same rate of speed. You'd be in more danger getting punched in the face than shot by this little gun.

95 posted on 09/08/2006 1:23:35 PM PDT by NJ Freeper
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To: kiriath_jearim

"...AAAAEEEEEE!!!!!" "AAAAIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!"

"It's not here yet.....pantpant wetpants pant...but it COULD be here...."


96 posted on 09/08/2006 1:37:22 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, Tomas Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: green iguana

Goodness, that thing is beautifully made.

Off course a rolled up magazine is a thousand times better weapon.


97 posted on 09/08/2006 1:42:24 PM PDT by Iris7 (Dare to be pigheaded! Stubborn! "Tolerance" is not a virtue!)
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To: Lazamataz
"I would make the perp swallow it."

I was thinking more in terms of returning it as a suppository...
98 posted on 09/08/2006 2:16:22 PM PDT by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Joe Occhipinti of the National Police Defense Foundation was alarmed by the SwissMiniGun’s potential uses, noting, “In a routine stop, a guy could certainly make a joke, and 'Say see my little gun here?' point at the officer and shoot. It looks like a key chain and [an officer’s] guard would be down."

"Say Hello to my little friend"


99 posted on 09/08/2006 2:56:23 PM PDT by Redcitizen (When you have to shoot, shoot, don't talk. -Tuco)
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To: Iris7

It is beautiful isn't it. For the size and cost I would hope so, tho'...


100 posted on 09/08/2006 3:48:41 PM PDT by green iguana
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