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Bush Tells Group He Sees a 'Third Awakening'
Washington Post ^ | September 13 2006 | Peter Baker

Posted on 09/12/2006 9:39:00 PM PDT by jmc1969

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To: ClaireSolt
Clinton was the favorite of sinners, not Bush.

May I amend that?
We are all sinners. Clinton was the favorite of sinners who wanted to wallow in their sin and call good evil and evil good. Bush was not.

41 posted on 09/13/2006 5:41:55 AM PDT by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: ELS

Point taken.


42 posted on 09/13/2006 6:29:59 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: jmc1969

Culturally, perhaps. Politically, unlikely -- religious influence over political institutions smells too much of the enemy.


43 posted on 09/13/2006 6:41:45 AM PDT by steve-b (The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.)
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To: lmr
lmr writes:
I can see the left making an issue with this, saying Bush is trying to start a 'Holy War' between Christianity and Islam.

Well, there IS a "Holy War" going on between Christianity and Islam. It's been "going on" since the eighth century or so....

- John

44 posted on 09/13/2006 6:50:20 AM PDT by Fishrrman
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To: IrishRainy

I read that book. 9/11/01 was right on schedule as a crisis moment to bring the next great turning.


45 posted on 09/13/2006 7:46:28 AM PDT by My2Cents (A pirate's life for me.)
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To: NewLand
And, it's not limited to conservative versus liberal. There are plenty of radically secular political conservatives, including right here on FR (see evolution threads).

Very true. I was thinking that very thing when I wrote it. Although I would say that religious belief, or at least respect for religious belief, is a characteristic of conservatism. I think what we see in the heated discussions on FR is a clash between conservatives and libertarians.

46 posted on 09/13/2006 7:49:31 AM PDT by My2Cents (A pirate's life for me.)
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To: Wormwood

The "faith-based initiative" is alive and well. Read the latest issue of World Magazine.


47 posted on 09/13/2006 7:50:41 AM PDT by My2Cents (A pirate's life for me.)
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To: prov1813man

Well-said. I'm heartened to read such thoughtful and insightful comments on FR.


48 posted on 09/13/2006 7:52:38 AM PDT by My2Cents (A pirate's life for me.)
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To: FreedomPoster
That is an awesome web link you posted. We all knew the "Million Man March" was a such a fraud.

The Promise Keepers rally was really over a million people - and the MSM knew it. I will never forget Sam Donaldson admitting this on the ABC morning show - and I thought Cokie Roberts was going to cry and have a heart attack right then and there.

49 posted on 09/13/2006 7:56:58 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: My2Cents

Thank you. While I comment quite infrequently, I have enjoyed lurking and learning from you and others here.


50 posted on 09/13/2006 7:59:57 AM PDT by prov1813man
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To: jmc1969

Good article.Quote:"Bush....had to apologize for using the word "crusade" in 2001.I recall that muslims and the msm found GW's use of the word crusade offensive and "hurtfull".The truth is we are in a struggle that is based primarily on religon ie Islam vs the rest of the world and the sooner people figure that out that better off we'll be.I hate to say it but i believe it will require another 911 type attack.


51 posted on 09/13/2006 8:26:11 AM PDT by Thombo2
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To: My2Cents; thomaswest

So you think that the Third Awakening that brought with it Prohition, SS, and other social programs (not to mention the huge expansion of the federal government) was a good thing?

If that was an awakening, let's go back to sleep.


52 posted on 09/13/2006 10:11:15 AM PDT by Badray (While defending the land called America, we must also be sure to preserve the Idea called America.)
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To: Badray
Good question, and I appreciate the fact you've brought it up. It needs to be addressed.

I don't consider Fogel's "third awakening" as an awakening. In the classical sense, an "awakening" is primarily spiritual, and renews the religious and spiritual lives of people and the nation. Typically, social reforms flow out of such awakenings (after the Wesleyian revival in England, child labor laws were enacted, and the slave trade came under opposition which ultimately eliminated it), but social reforms are not the sign nor the nature of "awakenings."

53 posted on 09/13/2006 10:40:05 AM PDT by My2Cents (A pirate's life for me.)
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To: SkyPilot
The Stand in the Gap rally that took place on Oct 3, 1997 was an incredible moment in the history of this country's religious barometer.

I have that picture on the wall of my home office. Thanks for the reminder. That event was a pivotal moment in my life.

54 posted on 09/13/2006 10:43:07 AM PDT by sawoody
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To: jmc1969
"A lot of people in America see this as a confrontation between good and evil, including me," Bush said ...

Good is to evil as Judeo-Christian ethic is to ...

What is that word I'm looking for? Anybody?

How long will it be before someone takes the bully pulpit and speaks the plain truth?

55 posted on 09/13/2006 10:44:35 AM PDT by kitchen (Over gunned? Hell, that's better than the alternative!)
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To: FreedomPoster
We've had 40+ years of "Great Society". Among many other expressions of mindless statist secularism. And you're dealing with someone who isn't particularly religious. I just know enough that if it ever came down to throwing in with either the extremist secular Leftists we see today, or with modern Christians, it's a no-brainer for the latter.

Well said.
56 posted on 09/13/2006 10:52:17 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (In loving memory of those lost on 9/11)
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To: NewLand

Don't you feel that many, many Christians feel that not only our country and our way of life are under attack, but that Islamic-facists are hell-bent on destroying Christians and Christianity......


57 posted on 09/13/2006 11:01:13 AM PDT by auto power
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To: My2Cents

Phew!

I'm glad to see that we agree or I'd have to demote you to My1cent. LOL


58 posted on 09/13/2006 11:12:59 AM PDT by Badray (While defending the land called America, we must also be sure to preserve the Idea called America.)
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To: roses of sharon

There is a civil war waging now in America.
It isn't being fought with guns and, swords or knives, it's being fought by lies and innuendos from the left.
This is a war of good versus evil and, the left has so little knowledge of Christianity they spew their hatred to our president and to conservatives.
The Liberals are causing a great divide in America and this is just what the so called,( peace of religion wants).


59 posted on 09/13/2006 11:16:22 AM PDT by buck61
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To: Badray

LOL. I've often given my two cents here, and have been given back change.


60 posted on 09/13/2006 11:58:37 AM PDT by My2Cents (A pirate's life for me.)
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