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Bush Tells Group He Sees a 'Third Awakening'
Washington Post ^ | September 13 2006 | Peter Baker

Posted on 09/12/2006 9:39:00 PM PDT by jmc1969

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To: HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg; irishtenor; AlbionGirl; Forest Keeper; Frumanchu; Alex Murphy
Bush Tells Group He Sees a 'Third Awakening'

That would explain this.

Most often it works out this way

61 posted on 09/13/2006 12:02:23 PM PDT by Gamecock (The GRPL: Because life is too short for bad Theology*)
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To: My2Cents
I think what we see in the heated discussions on FR is a clash between conservatives and libertarians.

There is plenty of that, true. But, there is also a small (minded) gang of anti-Christians who claim to be conservatives. You can find them posting their vile-bile on the 'evolution' threads.

I have never seen any validation here on FR of their claimed conservative principals, but plenty of validation of their anti-Christian ideology.

62 posted on 09/13/2006 12:02:50 PM PDT by NewLand (Always Remember September 11, 2001)
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To: auto power
Don't you feel that many, many Christians feel that not only our country and our way of life are under attack, but that Islamic-facists are hell-bent on destroying Christians and Christianity......

In a word, yes. I see it as one issue. So does GWB, I believe.

63 posted on 09/13/2006 12:04:42 PM PDT by NewLand (Always Remember September 11, 2001)
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To: My2Cents

At least they give you change. ;-)


64 posted on 09/13/2006 12:42:15 PM PDT by Badray (While defending the land called America, we must also be sure to preserve the Idea called America.)
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To: jmc1969

With God's help ;-)


65 posted on 09/13/2006 12:44:24 PM PDT by NordP (America: There are more Patriots than Punks!)
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To: My2Cents
I think the death of his sister, and watching what his father went through; combined with his own personal relationship with the Lord, has given him that insight you speak of. He looks through life and sees a bigger picture--a greater good.

Let's hope THIS has a trickle-down affect on our nation, too.

66 posted on 09/13/2006 12:48:36 PM PDT by NordP (America: There are more Patriots than Punks!)
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To: NewLand; metmom
The Darwin apologists on the evolution threads seem to run in a pack. They all seem to show up at the same time, usually spouting the same thing. Their movements appear too coordinated to be simply spontaneous. I've also noted that the few who tend to be the leaders of the pack hardly ever, if at all, post comments to threads other than the evo threads.

Despite their protests that "Darwinism is science!" Darwinism is today as much a political/social/theological movement as it is a scientific theory. The Darwin defenders here are clearly highly organized and dedicated to promoting their viewpoint, to such an extent that I wonder what their agenda really is. It also makes me wonder...what draws these Darwin-apologists to a conservative discussion site? I mean, when you consider that the most ardent defenders and believers in Darwin's theory (for its social implications) in the last century were atheistic Marxist and eugenic fascist regimes, and when one considers that Darwinists' most powerful allies today are the leftist media and the ACLU, how can these folks on FR be so dedicated to defending a viewpoint that is embraced by the left?

The kind of "enthusiasm" we see from the Darwin-apologists here on FR can only be described as *religious fervor*. As Robert Koons, a Professor of Philosophy at the University of Texas has said, "The evidence for evolution seems far from compelling. It seems compelling only to those with a prior commitment to metaphysical materialism, for whom Darwinism is practically the only reasonable explanation available for life as we know it." I suspect the prime motivation for such rigid dedication to this "theory" has less to do with science, and more to do with adherence to a particular view of morality.

67 posted on 09/13/2006 1:01:27 PM PDT by My2Cents (A pirate's life for me.)
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To: NordP

I think President Bush provides an inspiring model of leadership -- he's candid; he has convictions; he's humble (despite the left's charge that he's arrogant...they're just guilty of projection); he's governed by a moral center that draws upon something higher than himself; he sees public office as service, not as a profession. I'm sure Pres. Bush inspires and influences many, but unfortnately, the left is largely unteachable.


68 posted on 09/13/2006 1:04:54 PM PDT by My2Cents (A pirate's life for me.)
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To: NewLand; metmom
BTW, I just found this on Amazon:

I'm reading Woodward's previous book, DOUBTS ABOUT DARWIN -- THE HISTORY OF INTELLIGENT DESIGN, which I highly recommend. This book will be published in November. Clearly, the ID'ers aren't backing down.

69 posted on 09/13/2006 1:27:07 PM PDT by My2Cents (A pirate's life for me.)
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To: buck61

I agree with your analysis. The only reason we're engaged in a "cold civil war" is that we're not wearing uniforms. Give the left time, and we'll all eventually have to sew yellow cross patches on all our clothes.


70 posted on 09/13/2006 1:28:35 PM PDT by My2Cents (A pirate's life for me.)
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To: jmc1969
Bush told a group of conservative journalists that he notices more open expressions of faith among people he meets during his travels, and he suggested that might signal a broader revival similar to other religious movements in history.

I'm not sure I would agree. Let me caveat that by pointing out that the two Great Awakenings were Christian in nature. There may be a rise in spiritualism in this country, but not in Christianity.

Even in the Church the devotion to Christ, as He is presented in the Bible, is much less than the devotion to the re-cast Christ that has become so popular in recent decades. No, I don't mean a gay-loving Christ. I mean a Christ who would never say an unkind thing to anyone, a Christ who doesn't care what you do as long as you're "saved," a Christ who makes His messages "seeker friendly" so nobody will get up and walk out on the sermon.

Did you know you can get your marriage together with Jesus? Your finances? Your kids? Your school? Your love-life? Your ...

The Christ who said, "Take up your cross and follow me," has been replaced with a Christ who says, "Who loves ya, Baby?"

So I'm not sure we will see an awakening any time soon.

G-d could do it, and I pray He will, but I don't see it coming.

Shalom.

71 posted on 09/13/2006 1:32:04 PM PDT by ArGee (The Ring must not be allowed to fall into Hillary's hands!)
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To: Wormwood
But I'm not too impressed with the 'faith based initiative' that we all endured five years ago.

Me either, but the faith based initiative we all saw in Louisiana and Mississippi last year was very impressive.

That was supposed to be the model that the White House supported, but it was not to be.

Shalom.

72 posted on 09/13/2006 1:36:42 PM PDT by ArGee (The Ring must not be allowed to fall into Hillary's hands!)
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To: ArGee
Me either, but the faith based initiative we all saw in Louisiana and Mississippi last year was very impressive.

What do you mean?

73 posted on 09/13/2006 1:40:42 PM PDT by Wormwood (Everybody lies, but it doesn't matter because nobody listens.)
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To: My2Cents
Their movements appear too coordinated to be simply spontaneous.

Spoken like a true IDer.

<initiate ducking under the desk mode>

Shalom.

74 posted on 09/13/2006 1:41:30 PM PDT by ArGee (The Ring must not be allowed to fall into Hillary's hands!)
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To: Wormwood
What do you mean?

All those Christian groups and people who got down there and started helping while FEMA was still trying to figure out where the gulf coast was on a map.

All those Christian groups who are still there and still helping.

All those Christian groups who will still be there two administrations from now when nobody remembers Katrina any more than they remember Hugo.

The best faith based initiative of all will be the one where we get government out of the church's business and let believers do what their G-d tells them to do.

Shalom.

75 posted on 09/13/2006 1:44:14 PM PDT by ArGee (The Ring must not be allowed to fall into Hillary's hands!)
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To: NewLand

Bush IS right. We're in a different day and the timing is here...and those prayers by 1000's of people are being answered. I'm starting to see it in the natural daily.


76 posted on 09/13/2006 1:46:28 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand; but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: Wormwood; ArGee
Have a look at this series of articles on faith-based initiatives.
77 posted on 09/13/2006 2:03:46 PM PDT by My2Cents (A pirate's life for me.)
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To: ArGee
Spoken like a true IDer.

No, spoken like a recovering Darwinist. :-)

78 posted on 09/13/2006 2:05:07 PM PDT by My2Cents (A pirate's life for me.)
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To: My2Cents
Excellent take and well stated.

Re: the left - unteachable AND unREACHable!

79 posted on 09/13/2006 2:14:12 PM PDT by NordP (America: There are more Patriots than Punks!)
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To: My2Cents
The Darwin apologists on the evolution threads seem to run in a pack. [They do.]

They all seem to show up at the same time, usually spouting the same thing. [They do.]

Their movements appear too coordinated [They are.] to be simply spontaneous. [They're not. ]

I've also noted that the few who tend to be the leaders of the pack hardly ever, if at all, post comments to threads other than the evo threads. [They don't.]

We have both been around here long enough not to be fooled by these "house trolls".

80 posted on 09/13/2006 6:53:38 PM PDT by NewLand (Always Remember September 11, 2001)
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