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Saving the Battlewagons of the U.S. Marines
HUMAN EVENTS ^ | Sep 15, 2006 | Oliver North

Posted on 09/18/2006 7:41:46 PM PDT by neverdem

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To: interrogatorgirl
Why can't we get more combat vets into office so this isn't a re-occuring problem?

Well, one reason would be that todays military is plagued with street gang thugs and the inability to properly 'break down' these individuals. Stern words won't work against these kids.

81 posted on 09/18/2006 9:46:39 PM PDT by sten
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To: Freeport

All of the above and more!


82 posted on 09/18/2006 9:47:44 PM PDT by KingofQue
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To: FastCoyote
... new generation railguns ...

Along with the new guided ballistic shells, oh yea. Anything and everything. Just a massive beast. And if torpedos are a problem, then solve it. Swarms of robotic defenders woudl be cool.

if we don't currently have the workers to produce such a ship, then make them. The workers who did it in the past weren't born with the knowledge. Anyone with that type of thinking should be careful... they've sipped one to many lattes.

Grow a set, say 'we will make this happen'.. then start working on getting it done.

83 posted on 09/18/2006 9:52:24 PM PDT by sten
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To: namsman

ok, that sucks and is depressing.


84 posted on 09/18/2006 9:53:34 PM PDT by interrogatorgirl
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To: Pontiac
In September 1942 the USS North Carolina was hit by a Japanese 24 inch Long Lance Torpedo. The 950 pound TNT warhead hit the thinnest part of the ships armor and did considerable damage.

It didn't break her spine.

Improvements where made to the Iowa class ships.

The 650 pound (comp. B?) warhead of a Mark 48 torpedo could break the spine of an Iowa class BB if it detonated immediately below the keel but I don't think "would is the right term.

85 posted on 09/18/2006 9:55:42 PM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF (Everything I need to know about Palestinian nationalism I learned on June 5, 1968.)
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To: sten

I hear you on that. I enlisted and went to basic training at 29 and proceeded to smoke all the females except for 2 in PT, how pathetic. We had 18 year old females that couldn't do a damn proper push up or sit up.


86 posted on 09/18/2006 9:55:57 PM PDT by interrogatorgirl
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To: namsman

Bethlehem Steel supplied the guns and major steel. Sad that we have lost so much of that capability.


87 posted on 09/18/2006 9:57:33 PM PDT by TheLion
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To: neverdem

"These slower, thin-skinned vessels are to be equipped with an unproven Advanced Gun System designed to fire rounds weighing only 63 pounds but costing nearly $100,000 each. "

Don't know about the price, but the DDG-1000's AGS throws the LRLAP, a 250 lb munition with a 25 lb charge that is guided up to 90 nm to a precise kill 1 sq meter. Cyclic rate of 6 rnd per minute...That beats the reach and precision of a 16 inch at only 26 miles.

But I do love the Iowa!


88 posted on 09/18/2006 10:01:16 PM PDT by griffin (Love Jesus, No Fear!)
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To: potlatch; John Lenin


89 posted on 09/18/2006 10:01:34 PM PDT by devolve
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To: devolve

Very nice posts devolve.

The Pompano Letters I saw are beautiful.


90 posted on 09/18/2006 10:03:48 PM PDT by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: SlowBoat407
Thanks for the BOOM!
91 posted on 09/18/2006 10:10:28 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: potlatch


That's a patch that laughs at "PC"

"Still on patrol"


92 posted on 09/18/2006 10:12:31 PM PDT by devolve
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To: rahbert
I disagree. The success of anti-ship missiles has rested largely on the metallurgy of the hulls, and their thinness. I don't think an Exocet or Silkworm minus a nuclear warhead will penetrate the hull of an Iowa Class battleship. The 16" battleship is the perfect gun platform to support ground troops. The shells can penetrate 30' of reinforced concrete, can hit an area the size of a football field at 24 miles [and destroy an area the size of a football field], and the ship can stay on station for protracted periods of time.

I remember the New Jersey from 'Nam. Blew the top off a mountain, 'sunk' a quarter of an island, and made the NVA's DMZ fortifications obsolete just by showing up. And I'm an Army guy.
93 posted on 09/18/2006 10:15:14 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: devolve

Not sure I understand the 'still on patrol' business.


94 posted on 09/18/2006 10:15:39 PM PDT by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: potlatch


Last signal was in 1942

The US Navy keeps them as "active"



95 posted on 09/18/2006 10:20:06 PM PDT by devolve
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To: Arkinsaw

ROYAL OAK and BARHAM were WW I era BBs. For comparison, try the BISMARCK. When James Cameron did his special on it a couple of years back, he was able to get a miniature sub/camera into the outer hull. None of the DORSETSHIRE's torpedoes [and she fired at least four at a then stationary target], penetrated the armor belt and outer hull.


96 posted on 09/18/2006 10:20:15 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: devolve
The US Navy keeps them as "active"

That is a nice thought!

97 posted on 09/18/2006 10:22:20 PM PDT by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: Pontiac

Not unless it was nuclear it wouldn't The British X craft put something like 2,000 pound of high explosive under the TRIPITZ in a fairly shallow Fjord. Damaged her. But it didn't break her back. And it didn't sink her.


98 posted on 09/18/2006 10:24:05 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: ansel12

Wansn't a battleship. Was either a cruiser, or frigate. And it had an aluminum hull that was very thin. Also had too much magnesium in the metal.


99 posted on 09/18/2006 10:26:14 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: GladesGuru

Here is a link to the type of armor the Iowa class has.

http://www.battleship.org/html/Articles/IowaClass/Armor.htm

From what I read there it was designed to be hit by 700lbs bombs.

Iran's antiship missles the C-802 and HY-2 has payloads of 165lbs and 513lbs respectively and a range of about 100 miles.

Chinese Silkworm missiles has a 454lbs warhead and the Exocet that hit the USS Stark was 165lbs. The US Harpoon carries a 488lbs warhead and a Tomahawk cruise missile can carry 1000lbs warhead.


100 posted on 09/18/2006 10:29:59 PM PDT by Swiss
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