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Student questions legality of metal detectors at school
WTNH Television ^ | 9/20/06 | Puppage

Posted on 09/20/2006 5:14:15 AM PDT by Puppage

(New Haven-WTNH, Sept. 19, 2006 10:45 PM) _ A student's refusal to walk through a safety detector earns him a trip home.

For some the installation of metal detectors in schools is to better protect those inside.

One New Haven student is refusing to walk the walk, questioning whether his rights are being violated.

The district says it is like the right to enter a courtroom or get on a plane. It's new policy to keep young people safe.

For this New Haven student it's all about his fourth amendment right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures.

Nick Evans is getting a lesson in the legality of school policy.

The 16-year-old was sent home after refusing to walk through a metal detector and be searched as he entered Career High School.

"They haven't done this properly. There's not policy stating that I have to," says Evans.

The high school junior is challenging the New Haven District's recent decision to implement added security measures in the building last week.

"The handbook dictating district policy states they need reasonable grounds to search me."

No where in the handbook, he says, does it spell out anything about random searches or the use of metal detectors.

"I'd like to see them actually making this legal."

But a spokesperson for the District says the Superintendent has the right to make changes in what he considers to be emergency situations. The increased security comes after a violent summer in the Elm City and the deadly shootings of a 13-year old girl and boy.

"The Superintendent has the authority in the event of an emergency to enact directives and right here he believes it's important right now to expand what we are doing in terms of security for all students in the high school," says Susan Weisselberg, New Haven Public Schools.

The district admits it has no written policy on its latest measures but says that's about to change.

"We are adopting a formal policy. We will have the first reading by the Board of Ed Monday night," says Weisselberg.

For the schools, metal detectors and student searches are about keeping kids safe.

Nick Evans says he'll follow the policies as long as they are within the boundaries of the law.

"I would if it's a good sound legal policy. If they try to trample 4th amendments rights... ah getting shaky," says Evans.

Nick Evans says he will go to school tomorrow because he doesn't want to miss his classes, however he's plans to be vigilant in making sure the district follows through.

There is also no formal written policy for the use of metal detectors at Hill House or Wilbur Cross High School but the district says that will change too.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; US: Connecticut; Unclassified
KEYWORDS: 1984; 4a; 4thamendment; banglist; bravenewschools; dimorats; education; eyeinthesky; fourthamendment; govwatch; guncontrol; jackbootedthugs; libertarians; metal; metaldetectors; personal; personalproperty; property; propertyrights; search; searchandseizure; seizure; students
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Your rationale is irrelevant. You believe that public schools are prisons and public school students are prisoners. There is nothing left to explain.

Man, whatever you're tokin', I hope you'll share. I said NOTHING of the kind. I don't even know where you came by any of that crap to attribute to me. Try reading the post again.
61 posted on 09/20/2006 8:31:45 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Why does it bother you more that a normal student might object to being treated like a criminal?

Indeed.

As far as the government is concerned, we're all criminals until/unless we advance to being a member of the 'protected class' where the rules just don't apply. 

62 posted on 09/20/2006 8:32:38 AM PDT by zeugma (I reject your reality and substitute my own in its place. (http://www.zprc.org/))
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To: Arcy
The parent of this child should tell him to shut up about the metal detector. Remind the child he is there to study and learn. Not to bring about legal action.

I dont know...sounds like the kid is learning pretty well to me. He's actually read the school policies, understands English and wants to stand up for his rights rather than just roll over and take it. I agree with him.

63 posted on 09/20/2006 8:34:59 AM PDT by HonorsDaddy
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To: MAD-AS-HELL
What the school needs to do is find the two or three disgruntaled kids planning on staging a school shooting and set a date for them to do it. They then tell all the kids except for this one moron not to come to school. On that day, the kids with guns come into the school to only to find Mr. 4th Amendment the only one in class. Let's see how he likes his 4th amendment then.

Do you have a problem with the government being obligated to have a reason to search you?

64 posted on 09/20/2006 8:36:14 AM PDT by HonorsDaddy
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
I thought everyone knew.  Columbine
was caused by Calvin & Hobbes


65 posted on 09/20/2006 8:36:45 AM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com)
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To: HonorsDaddy

The government has a reason to search him. The reason is because he's entering a public school. He doesn't have to submit to the search. He is abslutely free to stay home and study there.


66 posted on 09/20/2006 8:38:12 AM PDT by kjam22
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To: BaBaStooey
It is not unreasonable to consider the safety of each person inside the school, especially when the school is liable.

Except as we all know, the school is not legally liable for the kids safety... Think they are? Let Little Johnny break his leg at school or something and then go ahead and expect the school to pay for it.

67 posted on 09/20/2006 8:40:32 AM PDT by HonorsDaddy
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To: DustyMoment
I guess you want me to respond to the metal detector not being a search.

I'm not really interested in playing games of semantics with you, but if it wasn't a search it wouldn't be mandatory.

68 posted on 09/20/2006 8:41:34 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: dpa5923
10th graders are people as well as 7 year olds. Neither have a legal right to bear arms. The rights enshrined in the first ten amendments are not absolute. You do not have the right to commit perjury or produce child porn, both examples of speech and press.

Interesting theory - albiet completely false.

Committing perjury is hardly an example of free speech. You swear to tell the truth, yada yada yada, and then lie? That causes direct harm to another person thereby violating HIS rights - hence, it isnt a 1st Amendment issue. Remember, your rights end when your exercise of them infringes upon anothers rights.

Same thing with child porn. The perpetrators of that are committing a direct violation of a child and causing him harm. As you have no right to harm another, this is certainly NOT a protected expression of your right to a free press.

You want to try again?

69 posted on 09/20/2006 8:43:59 AM PDT by HonorsDaddy
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

-When you exit Wal-Mart through the RFID detectors with a new pen in your pocket, have you been searched?


70 posted on 09/20/2006 8:46:32 AM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com)
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To: kjam22
The government has a reason to search him. The reason is because he's entering a public school. He doesn't have to submit to the search. He is abslutely free to stay home and study there.

Oh puhleeze - thats weak beyond measure.

That logic would mean i could be searched on the street at will as I'm absolutely free to stay at home.

71 posted on 09/20/2006 8:47:13 AM PDT by HonorsDaddy
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To: cryptical

Get a real life.


72 posted on 09/20/2006 8:48:12 AM PDT by verity (The MSM is comprised of useless eaters)
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To: Puppage

Ah, a future ACLU lawyer in the making....


73 posted on 09/20/2006 8:48:19 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: gcruse
-When you exit Wal-Mart through the RFID detectors with a new pen in your pocket, have you been searched?

Irrelevant. The state is neither committing the search nor compelling you to go to Wal-Mart.

74 posted on 09/20/2006 8:48:20 AM PDT by HonorsDaddy
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To: HonorsDaddy

I'm just asking if the RFID scan constitutes a search. Nothing more. Does it?


75 posted on 09/20/2006 8:49:08 AM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com)
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To: HonorsDaddy

No, you missed my point entirely. My point is that the lone kid who is challenging the policy would reconsider challenging it if he was faced with gunmen that otherwise would have been stopped had there been metal detectors.


76 posted on 09/20/2006 8:52:07 AM PDT by MAD-AS-HELL (How to win over terrorist? KILL them with UNKINDNESS.)
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To: HonorsDaddy

When my friends and I attempted to play tackle football at recess when I was 12, we were yelled at. Why would the school have rules banning rough play on the playground (which we attempted to ignore until we were caught) if they felt they wouldn't be liable for the safety of students?


77 posted on 09/20/2006 8:54:52 AM PDT by BaBaStooey (I heart Emma Caulfield.)
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To: HonorsDaddy

You can be searched anytime on a public street, if there is a reason. Entering a public school is a reason. Entering a stadium at a college football game is a reason. Entering the white house or capital building. Suspicion that you're driving drunk. Suspicion that your transporting biological weapons. The government is obligated to protect the citizens. But no one is subect to these searches. Only those who want to enter or use goverment owned facilities.


78 posted on 09/20/2006 8:56:19 AM PDT by kjam22
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
I'm not really interested in playing games of semantics with you, but if it wasn't a search it wouldn't be mandatory.

Translation: I can't respond to your post because it showed that I didn't know what I was talking about, so I will engage in circular arguments that have nothing to do with the questions and counter-arguments I posed to you.

Thanks for playing.
79 posted on 09/20/2006 9:02:26 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

That was dead on!


80 posted on 09/20/2006 9:07:46 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (God has blessed Republicans with political enemies who are going senile.)
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