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Special to FreeRepublic ^ | 03 October 2006 | John Armor (Congressman Billybob)

Posted on 10/03/2006 1:28:59 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob

Rep. Mark Foley, a Florida Republican, has resigned abruptly from the House on the revelation by ABC News of “sexual” instant messages to underage male pages. The Democrats in Congress and in the media are trying to hang this albatross around the necks of Republican leaders, and Republicans generally.

There is incompetent reporting, either accidental or deliberate, on this story. Foley sent e-mails to some pages that were not overtly sexual. Almost the entire press has failed to report the differences between e-mails and instant messages. Since most reporters use both methods of communications or can easily get information about them, there’s no excuse for this fault.

E-mails are automatically recorded in the process of being sent. They do NOT go directly from the sender to the receiver. They are saved on servers on computers other than those of the sender and receiver. A competent computer guru can find, recover, and report on contents of e-mails.

Instant messages (IM’s) are quite different. They can only be sent when the sender and recipient are on-line simultaneously. They go directly from sender to receiver. They are NOT recorded anywhere, unless either the sender and/or receiver sets up his “cache,” or temporary local memory, to do that.

The nasty IM’s that have come to light now, and sealed Foley’s fate, were sent more than year ago. Someone, most likely the pages who received them, must have recorded these, and through the blogosphere, made them available to the press. There is no factual support for the insinuation that Speaker Dennis Hastert, or anyone else in Congress except Foley, knew anything about these IM’s before ABC broke this story.

I stop at this point to make clear my opinion of all adults – male or female – who pray on children – male or female. Such alleged “grownups” are monsters who do not belong in Congress, do not belong in public, and do belong in the seventh circle of Hell. That said, the rest of this is about the consequences of the Foley resignation.

Democrats are attempting to portray this as a “moral failure” of the Republican Party and therefore a reason for all voters to vote for them. The Democrat who was running against Foley and is now running against state Rep. Joe Negron (the new Republican nominee), is already running TV ads on that. Let’s examine the record to see whether that claim has any legitimacy.

Gerry Studds (remember him? he was in all the papers) was a Democrat Congressman from Massachusetts. He was not accused of inappropriate communications. He was found to have had sexual relations with a page. By an overwhelming vote, he was censured by the House in 1983. After that, he was reelected repeatedly, with the full support of the Democrat Party.

Barney Frank (he was in all the papers) was a Democrat Congressman from Massachusetts. In 1989 he was found to have kept a male prostitute in his Capitol Hill apartment and to have done legislative favors for him. Frank was strongly censured by the House. He has been repeatedly reelected and is still in the House, with the full support of the Democrat Party.

Wait a minute, you say, Frank had nothing to do with underage boys. Well, in my years in District Court in Baltimore City, I saw more than a few prostitutes and pimps. Since their activities are already illegal, they don’t seek proof of the age of the prostitutes. They provide what the customer wants, male or female, of whatever age.

Then there’s Ted Kennedy, Senator from Massachusetts. Admittedly, his known sexual peccadillo was with an adult female. In 1969 he left Mary Jo Kopechne alive in his sunken car. She drowned while he left the scene to set up his alibi. Kennedy has been repeatedly reelected with the full support of the Democrat Party.

Last but not least, there is William Jefferson Clinton. Surely you’ve heard of him? He had sex in his office with a female subordinate. The manager of your local McDonalds would be fired on the spot if he had sex with a female fry cook at work. Clinton still enjoys the full support of the Democrat Party.

I repeat, I make no brief for Rep. Foley’s conduct. I am delighted that he is out of Congress immediately. However, the Democrat response is not to dump the Member. Instead, it is to wait while the Member hunkers down, and then to support him for reelection. Democrats do worse than what Foley did. They do not resign, nor does their Party ask them to resign.

For the Democrats to seek to make Foley a partisan issue in the 2006 election is the height of hypocrisy. Men who cannot control their own zippers are unfit to be in leadership positions in the federal government. All of them. Republican, Democrat, or independent. No exceptions.

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About the Author: John Armor is a lawyer specializing in constitutional law, who may again be a candidate for Congress in the 11th District of North Carolina. John_Armor@aya.yale.edu

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This is a major issue now. I think you'll find this take on the Foley subject.

John / Billybob

1 posted on 10/03/2006 1:29:00 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob
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To: All

I am pleased that Rep. Mark Foley is resigning. His actions were inappropriate and his resignation is his confession.


2 posted on 10/03/2006 1:31:38 PM PDT by evian
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To: Congressman Billybob

Couldn't agree with you more. Let's just hope the Republocrats fire off some of the same points.


3 posted on 10/03/2006 1:34:26 PM PDT by vpintheak (Yep.)
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To: Congressman Billybob
I want to know the line of possessions of these IMs from the time they were sent to the time the MSM got them...and the timeline to go with them.

IMHO, the MSM and their DNC cohorts are going to be shown obstructing justice in this before it is over...and to have been doing it for pure political gain...again corrupting our political process.

4 posted on 10/03/2006 1:35:07 PM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Congressman Billybob

The question should be did the GOP leadership do the right thing when they sat on the emails several months ago.

I would argue that the behavior of Studds, Frank, Kennedy and Clinton is irrelevant to my question. So is the provenence of the IMs.

We must conclude that Speaker Hastert failed miserably. Failed each and every page and failed the Republican Party.


5 posted on 10/03/2006 1:39:16 PM PDT by SolidSupplySide
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To: Jeff Head

I gotta disagree with you on that one. Without a crime or formal investigation in place there's probably no such thing as "obstruction of justice."


6 posted on 10/03/2006 1:40:04 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: SolidSupplySide

If there was no evidence that a crime had been committed, and the page in question -- as well as his parents -- refused to pursue any legal action against Foley, then what would you expect the GOP leadership to do any differently?


7 posted on 10/03/2006 1:42:11 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: Congressman Billybob

The dims must be "so very proud" that they had nothing on Foley, so they set him up with the IM stunt. Granted, he is a sick man and I'm glad he resigned, however--he was set up and the dims are trying to take Hastert down, too.

I predict the whole thing will backfire. I understand more today than yesterday about what actually happened. Don't let the dims "win" over this stupid political stunt. They have nothing, they promise nothing, they are clueless. The dims don't dserve to be in a position to govern ever again. I am thoroughly ashamed of them as a party, that they'd stoop this low to regain power in Congress. This has Huey Long-clintooon-Arkancide type politics written all over it.

It's not like they actually "have anything" to offer. They have zip, nada, zilch. The hate-Bush, hate-America and Americans smear party is going to wind up DEAD IN THE WATER on election day. Vote them out!

So help me, God.


8 posted on 10/03/2006 1:42:59 PM PDT by goresalooza (Nurses Rock!)
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Since all of the Dimocrats know about Kennedy, Clinton, Frank, et al, yet have done nothing about it, I call for their immediate resignation.

After they all resign, then Republican leadership MAY think about resigning. Until then, the hypocrisy of the left will remain in full view and their fake moral outrage will fall on deaf ears.
9 posted on 10/03/2006 1:45:16 PM PDT by texan75010
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To: Congressman Billybob

Self Ping and BTTT


10 posted on 10/03/2006 1:46:07 PM PDT by MortMan (I was going to be indecisive, but I changed my mind.)
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To: SolidSupplySide
"We must conclude that Speaker Hastert failed miserably. Failed each and every page and failed the Republican Party."

Before we hang the guy, however, maybe you should enlighten us Re: exactly what was Hastert to do, given just those innocuous E-mails as evidence. Shoot Foley on the front steps of the Capitol?

Whomever held those IM's for months or years awaiting the most politically advantageous juncture (i.e. an October surprise) is as guilty as Foley vis a vis endangerment of a minor. Hastert, on the other hand, is guilty of nothing except failure to punish someone for what he might do at some point in the future.
11 posted on 10/03/2006 1:48:32 PM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: Congressman Billybob
All of a sudden, 'its all about sex', for the dimwits. Where the heck have they been all these years ? As this article illustrates, they were protecting those who use their political power to prey on interns (et. al.). By not properly punishing these previous offenders they have permitted others to follow in their footsteps.
12 posted on 10/03/2006 1:49:54 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Alberta's Child
If there was no evidence that a crime had been committed, and the page in question -- as well as his parents -- refused to pursue any legal action against Foley, then what would you expect the GOP leadership to do any differently?

Umm. Ask questions. Investigators do it all the time. A real investigation may have uncovered the IMs months ago. We'll never know because the Republican leadership bungled the matter when it did nothing.

13 posted on 10/03/2006 1:50:34 PM PDT by SolidSupplySide
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To: vetsvette
innocuous E-mails

The emails were "innocuous"? Boy, you've been swilling the Kool-Aid. They were disturbing and creepy.

14 posted on 10/03/2006 1:51:41 PM PDT by SolidSupplySide
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To: Congressman Billybob

Turn the tables and accuse Democrats of being homophobic.


15 posted on 10/03/2006 1:53:59 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (The Internet is the samizdat of liberty..)
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To: SolidSupplySide
Boy, you've been swilling the Kool-Aid. They were disturbing and creepy.

True. But did they leave a stain anywhere ?

16 posted on 10/03/2006 1:55:18 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: SolidSupplySide
What investigative capabilities does Dennis Hastert have, and why would he "investigate" a matter in which no crime had been committed, and no complaint of any crime had been brought forward?

The Speaker of the House is not an omnipotent, god-like figure. He has no authority to conduct personal investigations of other House members like that.

17 posted on 10/03/2006 1:57:00 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: Congressman Billybob

"all adults – male or female – who pray on children"

That's why praying in school is so wrong...


18 posted on 10/03/2006 1:58:23 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com)
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To: justa-hairyape

Sure. Digital ones.


19 posted on 10/03/2006 1:58:36 PM PDT by evian
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To: Congressman Billybob

I know that, because of all this being brought to light, Barney Frank will be compelled to resign from Congress in the next few days....../sarcasm


20 posted on 10/03/2006 1:58:51 PM PDT by b4its2late (I'm not insensitive, I just don't care.)
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To: b4its2late

Barney Frank preys on kids?


21 posted on 10/03/2006 2:00:10 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com)
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To: SolidSupplySide
"The emails were "innocuous"? Boy, you've been swilling the Kool-Aid. They were disturbing and creepy."

Oh, given my current knowledge that Foley is a homosexual with pedophilia tendencies, they're disturbing and creepy. But, if I didn't know those things about the man, I'd have found the E-mails to be more than a little strange, but would never have thought him dangerous to anyone with just that as evidence. The IM's are different, of course, but Hastert didn't have those to consider.

That said, even if I had found the E-mails to be "disturbing and creepy," I can't imagine that, with just that evidence, I'd feel compelled to start a witch hunt almost certain to do serious damage to the reputation of someone I should be considering innocent of wrongdoing.

After all, this IS America -- at least as long as the moonbats aren't in control.
22 posted on 10/03/2006 2:00:36 PM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: gcruse
Thanks to The Shrew, who caught that correction first, I've already made the change to my entire mailing list. Sorry about that small but critical error, "pray" instead of "prey."

John / Billybob
23 posted on 10/03/2006 2:01:00 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Have a look-see. Please get involved.)
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To: Congressman Billybob
With respect JOhn..this is one time I disagree with you..We know the Dems are hypocrits..that's NOT the point...The GOP leadership knew for some time Foley was, dare I say it, "bent"...and they did nothing..The idea that he was even thinkng about running for the Senate a year ago is so bizarre it defies belief.

My point to you..if the story were reversed..i.e. if all the characters were Dems instead of pubbies..would you be writing a column explaining the difference between Emails and IMs...I think not... FWIW, Hastert long ago planned to step down after the next Congress, assuming the GOP holds the House...and retire with Bush in 2008...I don't think he runs for Speaker again. Happily, maybe now we can get Pence in that slot...the social conservatives in the base will need something to assuage them for coming out this November..

24 posted on 10/03/2006 2:01:54 PM PDT by ken5050
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To: gcruse
Barney Franks was dealing with a male prostitute who was running a ring out of Barney's Capitol Hill apartment. Read my comments about prostitutes and pimps in my article. There are no age restraints in that trade. Barney's "friend" was almost certainly dealing with underaged male sex objects.

John / Billybob
25 posted on 10/03/2006 2:04:36 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Have a look-see. Please get involved.)
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To: evian

So digital stains force a resignation, but physical stains on a blue dress do not ? Perhaps we should call this a 'virtual' government ?


26 posted on 10/03/2006 2:04:51 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Victoria Delsoul

Foley ping.


27 posted on 10/03/2006 2:05:52 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: Congressman Billybob

Waste of time to belabor the double standard, we knew the bed was on fire when we lay down.


28 posted on 10/03/2006 2:06:34 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: justa-hairyape

Sure and Foley is virtually a pedophile.


29 posted on 10/03/2006 2:06:54 PM PDT by evian
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To: goresalooza

It only has to smolder for a month or so...


30 posted on 10/03/2006 2:07:36 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: SolidSupplySide
Umm. Ask questions. Investigators do it all the time. A real investigation may have uncovered the IMs months ago. We'll never know because the Republican leadership bungled the matter when it did nothing.

Ok, ok, let me see if I understand this correctly - the e-mails, turned over to the FBI for investigation which hit a wall when the parents refused to cooperate is not a real investigation, and that the speaker of the house is supposed to go grill every member about their inappropriate actions?

Does he get to do anything else in his job? Because just following Barney Frank around ought to keep him busy 24/7.

Been seeing this opinion floating around for the last twenty four hours - it's a joke. Hastert and the GOP didn't do their job because they're flippin' supermen who are supposed to do a better job than the FBI. Love it.
31 posted on 10/03/2006 2:11:02 PM PDT by kingu (No, I don't use sarcasm tags - it confuses people.)
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To: Old Professer

The DIMS seem to have forgotten their pride and joy from MASS. OLD STUDD who was doing the butt buddy thing for real with under age pages. In fact his last one and he filed for a marriage licence in MASS.


32 posted on 10/03/2006 2:12:05 PM PDT by snowman1
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To: snowman1

What is your point?


33 posted on 10/03/2006 2:15:02 PM PDT by evian
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To: evian
And he resigned and will be investigated. If crimes have been committed throw the book at him. Now if he had refused to resign and was rallying Hastert et. al. around him for support, like a dimwit would, I would agree with the position that Hastert should go. I thought that way about Hastert's performance during the 'money in the freezer' Democrat scandal.
34 posted on 10/03/2006 2:17:14 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Congressman Billybob
This is all so predictable. The Dims are famous for injecting sex scandals (real or imagined) into election campaigns during the last 30 days. When they can't win on issues, they always go into the gutter.
35 posted on 10/03/2006 2:18:59 PM PDT by vox humana
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To: gcruse
Barney Frank preys on kids?

Nah, he prefers butt-buddies more his own age...



Here's a question for you: Would you bet me $1,000 that Barney Frank has never sodomized an underage boy--assuming that 10 seconds after the bet you became omniscient?
36 posted on 10/03/2006 2:19:59 PM PDT by Antoninus (Rule 4: See Rules 1 and 3. Rule 5: NO FOLEYS!)
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To: Old Professer
Put some ice on it. It will put out the fire. The last thing the Dimwits want is for sexual escapades to begin forcing resignations. They would not have a soul in DC when all was said and done. Perhaps what we are really seeing here is 'scorched earth' from the Clintons being dished out by ABC, who owes them one (Path to 911).
37 posted on 10/03/2006 2:22:07 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: SolidSupplySide
I was discussing this situation with my son late last night under so questions he was asking about a manipulative englsi teacher in a pre collage compclass that has abandoned writing and turned the class into an debating issues --reviewing his notes on the topics selected by the teacher and listening to the open brawl over she has cultivated -- she has been making her students the willing and unwilling to consider and think about Liberal hot button issues.

by selecting the issues of brawl -- it duplicates the assertion of Jimwright dem leader of the house under Reagan that declared as long as dems got to pick the topics and make the rules for the discussion of them they would always win.

In debate it is always an issue of control and the person or team that gets the other person or team to respond,and argue for or against what the issues they have posed "According to the bias" they have cast it in has seized control.

To accept the bias is a statement of two things the impression rather than beleifs they wish to put out about them , their team or in this case their political party, but secondly and more importantly there is a second element of that which the shadow they wish to cast about you, your teach or in this case your political party. In the case of this corrupt and disgusting individual -- we have one party that speaks of themselves that they are understanding of peoples weaknesses and corruptions (This is always done with Christian undertones) and they are the house of all deviants. On the other hand they paint the republicans as the pharisees,as religious zealots filled with calvanistic judgmentalism -- that at the sight of sin we are to kill and cast out from our midst. -- And the republicans continually follow their lead and eat their own to live a definition that has been and is here being played just like the race card. I have observed this now for decades -- I am not addressing this individual that is indefencble -- what I am say is that when flaws and faults are found -- why don't republicans attempt reform, heal and deliver their own to make these better republicans, better able to serve their electorate and theri nation? Ultimately this is the reason that they have has such poor effect since they came to power -- ther seems there is no central core beleif of force driving them --aka they have no heart of soul but instead they are reacting and caving to the demands and the image of them that is defined by their enemies. This is the real problem here.

38 posted on 10/03/2006 2:25:58 PM PDT by Rocketman (Study to show thyself approved . .)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Was the page a minor at the time or did he reach his majority when these communications were sent?

I am not suggesting that this exonerates Foley who is obviously a Chicken Hawk and probably a member of NAMBLA - but there is a legal distinction here that I don't see being addressed.
39 posted on 10/03/2006 2:26:57 PM PDT by Beckwith (The dhimmicrats and liberal media have chosen sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.)
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To: SolidSupplySide
Still trolling and bashing the evil Republicans eh?

Nevermind that Foley has resigned, has been repudiated by his own party and conservatives, and that Hastert never knew about the IMs up until now.

Nope, the whole Republican Party is corrupt and should be purged in accordance to your holier-than-thou standards.

40 posted on 10/03/2006 2:29:14 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Rocketman
'Contract with America' got Gingrich the Cover of Time with the caption 'The Grinch that stole Xmas'. That was back when a majority of people still thought Time was independent. Dimwits in DC also fought all the way to shutting down the guberment. The 94 Congress did at least try. Now Hillary has a pile of FBI files and she is going to ride her broom called 'Scorched Earth' all the way to Pennsylvania avenue.
41 posted on 10/03/2006 2:31:06 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Congressman Billybob
I was getting of an airplane (DC to Boston) sometime in the eighties. As I stood up, to exit, I recognized Gobi (sp) who was evidently sitting in the seat behind.

He said to me, "after you!"

I said to him in return, "no way, after you."

I'd be damned if I let "hot buns" get behind me.
42 posted on 10/03/2006 2:31:28 PM PDT by Beckwith (The dhimmicrats and liberal media have chosen sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Quite frankly, the sex ed curriculum the left pushes on kids in the public schools should also be called inappropriate communications. Kids adopted by homosexuals are subjected to inappropriate visuals as well as communications. Kids in foster care and gov't run treatment centers are subjected to all sorts of inappropriate communications. The left has absolutely no room to talk. But fine. I'm glad the subject was brought up. Let's talk about ALL the inappropriate stuff kids are hearing from all sorts of sources these days.

Oh...and I still want to see the liberals defend the Limon victims instead of just worrying about Limon himself getting a lesser sentence under the "Romeo and Juliet" laws (gag!).

That said, Foley should be locked up. If he were a Democrat, the left would only be concerned as to whether or not the two were planning to use a condom....or if they knew about fisting...etc. Regardless, now that we have them on record appropriately appalled at something morally reprehensible, let's see that they have to appy it to some of these other areas.

43 posted on 10/03/2006 2:31:44 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Beckwith

of = off


44 posted on 10/03/2006 2:31:49 PM PDT by Beckwith (The dhimmicrats and liberal media have chosen sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.)
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To: evian

Naive...


45 posted on 10/03/2006 2:40:16 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Congressman Billybob

Teddy, Gary, Bill, Barney. Need I say more?


46 posted on 10/03/2006 2:41:19 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: Rocketman

"I was discussing this situation with my son late last night under so questions he was asking about a manipulative englsi teacher in a pre collage compclass that has abandoned writing and turned the class into an debating issues --reviewing his notes on the topics selected by the teacher and listening to the open brawl over she has cultivated -- she has been making her students the willing and unwilling to consider and think about Liberal hot button issues.
by selecting the issues of brawl -- it duplicates the assertion of Jimwright dem leader of the house under Reagan that declared as long as dems got to pick the topics and make the rules for the discussion of them they would always win."

You must have had the same englsi teacher I did.


47 posted on 10/03/2006 2:42:46 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Old Professer

I'm fishing.


48 posted on 10/03/2006 2:47:18 PM PDT by evian
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To: Congressman Billybob

Are techy's able to trace IM's at all? Or will one have to guess what Page received and sent the IM's......or can one trace the receiver of IMs from Foley's computer. I would hope the FBI has already secured his computers.


49 posted on 10/03/2006 2:48:02 PM PDT by caffe (W)
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To: SolidSupplySide

Solid,

By any chance are you a Democrat? If not, somehow your not understanding the known facts .


50 posted on 10/03/2006 2:49:20 PM PDT by caffe (W)
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