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Tibetans shot at by Chinese reach India
Haveeru Daily ^ | Monday, October 23, 2006; 3:52 AM | Haveeru Daily

Posted on 10/23/2006 5:35:24 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick

KATHMANDU - Some 41 Tibetan refugees fired on by Chinese border guards last month as they entered Nepal have been flown to India, an official from the Tibetan Reception Centre in Kathmandu said Saturday.

"The 41 Tibetans refugees who arrived in Kathmandu left for New Delhi on Friday for security reasons," said an official at the Tibetan Reception Centre.

The official did not elaborate.

The Tibetans arrived in Kathmandu earlier this month after Chinese soldiers opened fire on a group of about 70 people, including children, women, monks and nuns, trying to flee into Nepal on September 30.

A nun was killed in the incident according to witnesses and foreign Tibetan groups.

The remaining Tibetans in the group of 70 were believed to have been detained by Chinese border guards. China confirmed the incident took place and said that the border troops were forced to act in self-defense after soldiers found the group trying to escape Tibet and were attacked.

Numerous foreign climbers witnessed the incident including a Romanian climber who filmed footage of a group of unarmed Tibetans being fired on as they tried to run away.

A monk who was part of the group told AFP that the Chinese border guards fired "indiscriminately" at the fleeing Tibetans.

Since 1989 Nepal's official policy has been that Tibetan refugees cannot stay in the country.

Sandwiched between regional giants India and China, Nepal pursues a cautious policy over the issue of people fleeing Chinese-controlled Tibet, directly to the north. The office of the representative of Tibet's exiled spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama, was closed in Nepal's capital in 2005, but refugees continue to be transited through the Himalayan nation, often to the northern hill station of Dharamsala, where the Dalai Lama leads the Tibetan government-in-exile.

Tibetan refugees began arriving in Nepal in 1959 after the Dalai Lama fled Lhasa following an abortive uprising against Chinese rule. A year later Communist troops entered Tibet.

The Dalai Lama has in recent years urged greater autonomy from Beijing for his homeland.

Around 2,500 people a year make an often dangerous trip across the Himalayas into Nepal and India.

International rights groups accuse the Chinese of ruling Tibet through repression and military intimidation.


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To: T Yang

Signed up today to post this shit eh?


21 posted on 10/23/2006 7:46:42 PM PDT by Gengis Khan
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To: T Yang

"Shame on the westerns, double standard on human.

Shame on the boastful and hypocrisy indian government, do nothing except making trouble for china."

"hypocrisy indian government" for allowing the fleeing refugees to come inside? What would you rather have India do? Let them be killed by the PLA?


22 posted on 10/23/2006 7:49:13 PM PDT by Gengis Khan
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To: T Yang
"Nowadays, tibet (China) is becoming more and more developed, even with harden nature condition, it's economy has been much better than india's, a harmonious Tibet is on the way to build, however, india is contrast pathetic messing. partly because all potential tibetan terrorists have been moving to india.

Indian, please continue to invite tibetan refugees, it is good for china but harm for india."

If Tibet is getting better then India then why are Tibetans fleeing for India?

And whats the Chicom word for "propaganda"?
23 posted on 10/23/2006 7:54:41 PM PDT by Gengis Khan
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To: T Yang

"india is contrast pathetic messing. partly because all potential tibetan terrorists have been moving to india."

I haven't heard of a single terrorist attack in India caused by "tibetan terrorists". What exactly are you talking about?


24 posted on 10/23/2006 7:57:07 PM PDT by Gengis Khan
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To: Cacique

Ping!


25 posted on 10/23/2006 7:57:41 PM PDT by Clemenza (I have such a raging clue!)
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To: admin

You banned the account? How very Chicom of you. You should be proud.


26 posted on 10/23/2006 7:59:04 PM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: T Yang

Oh never mind.

Bye-bye


27 posted on 10/23/2006 7:59:15 PM PDT by Gengis Khan
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To: kinoxi; jrg; finnigan2; angkor; Psycho_Bunny; ItisaReligionofPeace; sukhoi-30mki; Cronos; ...

Check the actual video:

http://www.protv.ro/filme/exclusive-footage-of-chinese-soldiers-shooting-at-tibetan-pilgrims.html#4265


28 posted on 10/23/2006 10:31:24 PM PDT by Gengis Khan
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To: Gengis Khan

Thanks, GK. The host site tells me that my browser needs a newer Flash plugin. I'll keep the URI you sent until the upgrade is done (whole browser upgrade by way of a slow modem connection for the BSD UNIX server here). This place isn't the Himalayas, but it is full of peaks and somewhat remote from central phone offices.


29 posted on 10/23/2006 10:56:21 PM PDT by familyop
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To: Gengis Khan

thanks


30 posted on 10/24/2006 3:15:36 AM PDT by angkor
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace

Trolls are free to disrupt -elsewhere.
FR is private property.
Your defense of the troll is quite interesting by the by.


31 posted on 10/24/2006 11:05:49 AM PDT by Darksheare (Please, don't pinch the alias.)
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To: Darksheare

How do you know he is a troll? What is a troll? This is private property? No sh-t.

BTW, Would the Chinese government use similar excuses for blocking differing opinions? Ironic.

I've been here long enough to know what jackholes the admin mods can be. Like a bunch of elementary students who get to be hall monitors.


32 posted on 10/24/2006 6:44:32 PM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace

How do I know it was a troll?
You can't seriously mean that.
Didn't you read what IT said?
He was a Chinese propagandist troll, we've had several.
How about you simply ASK the mods?
They'd likely tell you.


33 posted on 10/25/2006 5:11:34 AM PDT by Darksheare (Please, don't pinch the alias.)
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To: Darksheare

I tried to, but just realized that I typed admin rather than admin moderator.

I am really curious to hear his point of view. How many people from China have you ever talked to? Aren't you a bit curious what people with different perspectives have to say? I am not saying that you have to agree, or put up with vulgar behavior, but I did see what he said and basically he said India causes trouble. I'd like to hear more about why he says this. We don't really know much about how the rest of the world operates. I personally like to learn. Oh well, FR has been this way for every. I still like FR, even with its shortcomings.


34 posted on 10/25/2006 6:18:44 PM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: Psycho_Bunny; All
As to whether America did its share for Tibetans, we must remember that the CIA had a secret operation in the late 1950s to train Tibetan Guerrillas in Colorado, and then drop them in teams into Tibet to fight the Chinese. The USA abandoned the program when the Dalai Lama instructed his people NOT TO FIGHT. SInce the leadership of Tibet would not endorse any further fighting, the USA abandoned the program.

Still, the Kahampas fought on until about 1974 or so, operating out of the remote mountain fastness of Mustang.

The Dalai Lama was anti-military, as were his advisors in the Tibet government in exile. Despite the Dalai Lamas spirituality, one cannot miss the fact that he sold his country out for religious reasons, a prejudice against fighting for freedom, a prejudice not shared by former Dalai Lamas who made certain that the passes into Tibet , which could easily be held by a few soldiers in the East, were not defended. Part of that responsibility of failure rests with the regent of the Dalai Lama who acted in the years of the present DaLai Lamas minority.He also was anti-military.

Tibet was lost because of an "excess" of religion, in which the ancient traditions of warriorship ( Gesar of Ling) were abandoned by the present Dalai Lama government, a group of "holier than thou" liberals, who abandoned the protection of their own nation as religious aristocrats. The Chinese took Tibet easily, and could have been stopped just as easily, if the later government had not been so "anti-military."

This should be an abject lesson to todays US liberals. You will lose your country, if you do not protect the freedom of your people with military force.

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How the CIA sponsored and betrayed Tibetans in a war the world never knew about

It was code-named 'ST Circus'. But there was nothing funny about the way the CIA funded, trained, armed and ultimately used and betrayed the Tibetan cause. This is the war no one knew about. This is the war that shatters the popular impression that the non-violent Tibetans allowed the Chinese to stroll into Lhasa in 1951 after token resistance. A war that is relived in The Shadow Circus: The CIA in Tibet, a gripping documentary made for the BBC by Tenzing Sonam and his wife Ritu Sarin.

This was a labour of love, and it shows. Without being jingoistic, the superbly shot documentary — initiated ten years ago — vividly recounts how a few thousand Tibetans took on the might of the People's Liberation Army. Outgunned and outnumbered, they fought a bloody guerrilla battle on the roof of the world for over a decade. And their ally for much of the time: The CIA.

Tenzing's father, Lhamo Tsering, was a senior resistance leader and the CIA's chief coordinator for the Tibet operation. In 1958, he was trained at CIA camps in Virginia and Colorado's Rocky Mountains. He documented the entire movement, writing at length on the subject. Though he died on January 9 this year without realising his dream of a free Tibet, The Shadow Circus stands tribute to the man.

China invaded Tibet in late 1949, and two years later, overran the brave but tiny Tibetan army to enter Lhasa. The Dalai Lama, 17 at the time, was forced into an uneasy compromise with Beijing. But when monasteries in eastern Tibet were razed in 1956, the local Khampa tribesmen revolted and formed an underground outfit, sending out desperate calls for help. The Dalai Lama's elder brother, Gyalo Thondup, in exile in India, promised to contact the Americans.

The Americans, in the throes of the worst stage of communist-phobia, were happy to oblige. Six men were selected from a group of Khampas that had come to India. They were secretly flown to the Pacific island of Saipan and trained in guerrilla warfare and clandestine radio communications.

Five months later, Athar Norbu, who now lives in Delhi, and his partner were the first men ever to be parachuted into Tibet. By then, the resistance had been forced out of Lhasa into southern Tibet. Their success against the Chinese led to the CIA making its first arms drop to the resistance. Then the agency set up a top-secret training camp in the Rocky Mountains, where conditions approximated those in Tibet. Some 259 Tibetans were trained in Camp Hale over the next five years.

'We had great expectations when we went to America. We thought perhaps they would even give us an atom bomb to take back,' says Tenzin Tsultrim. 'In the training period, we learned that the objective was to gain our independence,' adds another grizzled veteran. But the Americans had other ideas. 'The whole idea was to keep the Chinese occupied, keep them annoyed, keep them disturbed. Nobody wanted to go to war over Tibet...It was a nuisance operation. Basically, nothing more,' says former CIA agent Sam Halpern.

In March 1959, the CIA made a second arms drop in southern Tibet, where the resistance now controlled large areas. Back in Lhasa, the Dalai Lama was invited to the local Chinese military camp to attend a play — sans bodyguards, the invitation said. The citizens of Lhasa rose up in revolt; the Dalai Lama realised it was time to leave.

A few days later, the Dalai Lama, disguised as a soldier, escaped from his palace and headed south. The CIA-trained radio team met them en route, and asked the Americans to request Prime Minister Nehru to grant asylum to the Dalai Lama.Nehru, well aware of the situation, immediately approved. On March 31, 1959, after an arduous trek across the mountains, the Dalai Lama and his entourage entered India. This sparked off an exodus of refugees from Tibet to India — leaving behind only small pockets of resistance in southern Tibet.

Undeterred, the CIA parachuted four groups of Camp Hale trainees inside Tibet between 1959 and 1960 to contact the remaining resistance groups. But the missions resulted in the massacre of all but a few of the team members.

The CIA cooked up a fresh operation in Mustang, a remote corner of Nepal that juts into Tibet. Nearly two thousand Tibetans gathered here to continue their fight for freedom. A year later, the CIA made its first arms drop in Mustang. Organised on the lines of a modern army, the guerrillas were led by Bapa Yeshe, a former monk.

'As soon as we received the aid, the Americans started scolding us like children. They said that we had to go into Tibet immediately. Sometimes I wished they hadn't sent us the arms at all,' says Yeshe. The Mustang guerrillas conducted cross-border raids into Tibet. The CIA made two more arms drops to the Mustang force, the last in May 1965. Then, in early 1969, the agency abruptly cut off all support. The CIA explained that one of the main conditions the Chinese had set for establishing diplomatic relations with the US was to stop all connections and all assistance to the Tibetans. Says Roger McCarthy, an ex-CIA man, 'It still smarts that we pulled out in the manner we did.'

Thinley Paljor, a surviving resistance fighter, was among the thousands shattered by this volte-face. 'We felt deceived, we felt our usefulness to the CIA is finished. They were only thinking short-term for their own personal gain, not for the long-term interests of the Tibetan people.' In 1974, armtwisted by the Chinese, the Nepalese government sent troops to Mustang to demand the surrender of the guerrillas. Fearing a bloody confrontation, the Dalai Lama sent the resistance fighters a taped message, asking them to surrender. They did so, reluctantly. Some committed suicide soon afterwards.

Today, the survivors of the Mustang resistance force live in two refugee settlements in Nepal, where they eke out a living spinning wool and weaving carpets. 'The film is for the younger Tibetans, who are unaware of the resistance, as well as for Americans, who don't know how their own government used and betrayed the resistance,' says Tenzing. 'Though it was a story begging to be told, funding it was almost impossible,' adds Ritu.

The couple have been making films since 1983, on subjects from reincarnation to the expat Sikh community in California and Tenzing's first trip to Tibet. A full-length Tibetan feature film is in the pipeline, but The Shadow Circus is likely to be remembered for its startling revelations.

The most poignant summary comes from Tenzing's father: 'We were able to utilise [the American] help for our own ends. We couldn't just go and fight the Chinese with empty hands. I don't see our armed struggle as something that was helpful only at a certain point in our history, something that is finished. We should look at it as one chapter in our continuing struggle for freedom, one that still has some meaning.'

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http://www.friendsoftibet.org/databank/usdefence/usd7.html

35 posted on 10/26/2006 7:32:45 PM PDT by Candor7 (Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
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To: Yang Taiyi; T Yang; Admin Moderator

Welcome back T Yang.


40 posted on 10/28/2006 1:39:29 PM PDT by Gengis Khan
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