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You don't need a firearm to commit suicide. So with essentially negative results, I'm surprised that they decided to publish. Rebecca Peters, go cry in your beer.

1 posted on 10/31/2006 4:10:46 PM PST by neverdem
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To: Joe Brower
BANG!
2 posted on 10/31/2006 4:12:10 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem
Rebecca Peters, go cry in your beer.

Beer is for real people. She's probably more of a whine and cheese type.

3 posted on 10/31/2006 4:14:19 PM PST by Disambiguator (If the Democrats were a stock, I would short them.)
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To: neverdem

When you disarm the law-abiding public, only criminals your "govenment" have guns. What does that say??

And the liberals just continue to work hard at inventing rules that criminals will obey. Idiot morons.


4 posted on 10/31/2006 4:18:01 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: neverdem

Gary Kleck did an exhaustive study on the relationship between availability of firearms and suicide rate. Bottom line: there is no relationship. Only effect is on what methods people use to commit suicide, not on how many people do it. Substitution factor is 100%.


6 posted on 10/31/2006 5:00:10 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: neverdem

"You don't need a firearm to commit suicide."

Japan doesn't allow private ownership of firearms at all, but still has the highest suicide rate in the world.


7 posted on 10/31/2006 5:15:23 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: neverdem
So with essentially negative results, I'm surprised that they decided to publish

"Publish or perish." Even though the results are negative, if it's a good-quality study, it's publishable. Since it got past the peer reviewers, it's a better than even chance it's quality research.

9 posted on 10/31/2006 5:41:43 PM PST by JoeFromSidney (My book is out. Read excerpts at www.thejusticecooperative.com)
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All of this is just cover. All these studies and protestations for the public welfare are simply an elaborate smoke screen for what the actual and true intent of these laws are -- to disarm the citizenry to enable easier government control.

When one understands the true agenda underlying this global push to provide governments with a monopoly on force, the pattern becomes all-too-clear.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

18 posted on 11/01/2006 6:40:44 AM PST by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism. *NRA*)
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To: neverdem
GOA, NRA all give Harold Ford, JUNIOR F's

Check out some of his votes on 2nd amendment rights

click here

21 posted on 11/01/2006 7:28:19 AM PST by GailA (Proud to admit I'm a quilt-a-holic.)
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To: neverdem

YES....the new law made a BIG difference.....just not a GOOD one! lol....Dummies Down Under!


23 posted on 11/01/2006 10:56:15 AM PST by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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To: neverdem
You don't need a firearm to commit suicide.

No, but it is a reasonable hypothesis that a handgun or other firearm increases the "convenience" factor of suicide and makes a successful attempt more likely than alternative methods. I'm not saying that's the case (pretty hard to determine causation in suicide reliably... you can't survey the participants!) just saying it's plausible. So with essentially negative results, I'm surprised that they decided to publish.

Well, if one is looking at it as a scientist, negative results are also interesting. Given the very low correlation quotients that are accepted in the social sciences, a determination of no correlation is very interesting. Not much surprise to those of us who support gun rights and have been reading this material for decades.

I suspect what you are saying is that from this source, you would expect them only to publish data that supports their a priori beliefs. Social scientists are funny that way. Some will publish regardless, and some will try to redesign the experiment to get the desired result. Unlike hard sciences, where, if the data do not match the theory, you are expected to discard the theory, not the data!

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

27 posted on 11/02/2006 8:18:41 AM PST by Criminal Number 18F (Build more lampposts... we've got plenty of traitors.)
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