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N.Y. Plans to Make Gender Personal Choice
New York Times ^ | 11/07/06 | DAMIEN CAVE

Posted on 11/06/2006 9:24:11 PM PST by conservative in nyc

Separating anatomy from what it means to be a man or a woman, New York City is moving forward with a plan to let people alter the sex on their birth certificate even if they have not had sex-change surgery.

Under the rule being considered by the city’s Board of Health, which is likely to be adopted soon, people born in the city would be able to change the documented sex on their birth certificates by providing affidavits from a doctor and a mental health professional laying out why their patients should be considered members of the opposite sex, and asserting that their proposed change would be permanent.

Applicants would have to have changed their name and shown that they had lived in their adopted gender for at least two years, but there would be no explicit medical requirements.

“Surgery versus nonsurgery can be arbitrary,” said Dr. Thomas R. Frieden, the city’s health commissioner.

Dr. Frieden continued: “Somebody with a beard may have had breast-implant surgery. It’s the permanence of the transition that matters most.”

If approved, the new rule would put New York at the forefront of efforts to redefine gender. A handful of states do not require surgery for such birth certificate changes, but in some of those cases patients are still not allowed to make the change without showing a physiological shift to the opposite gender.--Snip--

--Snip--The change would lead to many intriguing questions: For example, would a man who becomes a woman be able to marry another man? (Probably.) Would an adoption agency be able to uncover the original sex of a proposed parent? (Not without a court order.) Would a woman who becomes a man be able to fight in combat, or play in the National Football League? (These areas have yet to be explored.)

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: deviancy; deviants; fraud; gayagenda; gender; homosexualagenda; lgbt; mentalillness; moralabsolutes; mutilation; nyc; perversion; perverts; sex; sexchange; slimes; sodom; sodomites; transgender
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Good grief.
1 posted on 11/06/2006 9:24:12 PM PST by conservative in nyc
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To: conservative in nyc

Why even bother putting their sex on the damn thing. This is insane.


2 posted on 11/06/2006 9:26:04 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Tomorrow the REAL Republicans will finally be polled.)
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To: conservative in nyc


Gaaaakk.......


3 posted on 11/06/2006 9:26:34 PM PST by p[adre29 (Arma in armatos)
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To: conservative in nyc

I wanna be an 'it'.


4 posted on 11/06/2006 9:26:49 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: conservative in nyc

State-sanctioned document fraud.


5 posted on 11/06/2006 9:27:49 PM PST by darkangel82
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To: conservative in nyc

Maybe they should let them change their species from human to dumb ass.


6 posted on 11/06/2006 9:28:05 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (The Internet is the samizdat of liberty..)
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To: kinoxi

I prefer "thing." LOL!


7 posted on 11/06/2006 9:28:45 PM PST by COEXERJ145 (Free Republic is Currently Suffering a Pandemic of “Bush Derangement Syndrome.”)
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To: conservative in nyc

Can we put a cage around these people and charge admission?

That's what you do at Freak shows.


8 posted on 11/06/2006 9:28:46 PM PST by Leatherneck_MT (In a world where Carpenters come back from the dead, ALL things are possible.)
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To: kinoxi

Heck, why stop there. I'm sure there are people on DU that can't even be classifed as human (or would want to). Next thing you know, the birth certificates will say 'tree species'.

Or some such complete idiotarian notion.


9 posted on 11/06/2006 9:28:46 PM PST by farlander (Strategery - sure beats liberalism!)
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To: kinoxi

How about "other"...

What's in the water in NY? Did Hillary come up with this or was is Charlie Rangle? If it were in California, I'd think it was Sheila Kuehl.


10 posted on 11/06/2006 9:28:55 PM PST by oneamericanvoice (For America's sake, Vote straight Republican!)
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To: conservative in nyc
but in some of those cases patients are still not allowed to make the change without showing a physiological shift to the opposite gender.--Snip-- OUCH!!!

So, what happens when this.....person, travels outside ov NY? How do they then explain themselves?
(In a deep, gravely voice) "Yeah, I'm a woman. Sez it here in my boith certificate."

11 posted on 11/06/2006 9:31:51 PM PST by peteram
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To: TASMANIANRED

"Maybe they should let them change their species from human to dumb ass."


That is "pee in your pants funny". When are you running for public office?


12 posted on 11/06/2006 9:32:26 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: conservative in nyc

"Under the rule being considered by the city’s Board of Health, which is likely to be adopted soon, people born in the city would be able to change the documented sex on their birth certificates by providing affidavits from a doctor and a mental health professional laying out why their patients should be considered members of the opposite sex, and asserting that their proposed change would be permanent."


I have NOW heard everything.


13 posted on 11/06/2006 9:32:49 PM PST by headstamp (Nothing lasts forever, Unless it does.)
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To: conservative in nyc

Well then, I'm moving to New York! I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body, and I demand to be allowed to shower with women at the gym!


14 posted on 11/06/2006 9:35:42 PM PST by lesser_satan (EKTHELTHIOR!!!)
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To: conservative in nyc

aaarrrgggghhhhh....why don't they just put "M" or "F" on their foreheads?


15 posted on 11/06/2006 9:36:20 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: conservative in nyc

Ha ha ha! What!?


16 posted on 11/06/2006 9:38:13 PM PST by villagerjoel (US of A!!!)
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To: conservative in nyc

I guess there really aren't any important problems to deal with in New York.


17 posted on 11/06/2006 9:38:34 PM PST by mhx
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To: farlander

Tree species. That's Al Gore, right?


18 posted on 11/06/2006 9:39:18 PM PST by mhx
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To: oneamericanvoice

This is brought to you by the same folks who want to ban trans fats in NYC restaurants and currently invades the privacy of NYC diabetics by requiring their blood sugar test results be sent to them so they can play nanny.

The NYC Health Department is the embodiment of the liberal nanny state.


19 posted on 11/06/2006 9:40:44 PM PST by conservative in nyc
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To: conservative in nyc

I'm changing my sex to "studmuffin".


20 posted on 11/06/2006 9:40:57 PM PST by lafroste (gravity is not a force. See my profile to read my novel absolutely free (I know, beyond shameless))
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To: conservative in nyc

I thought this is why they started using "gender". "Gender" was used in place of "sex" so people could put down what they thought they were. Your "sex", on the other hand, cannot be changed, as it is your genetic structure. You are either "XX" or "XY". If they want to mess around with the definition of their imaginary psychological term, whatever. If they think they can start messing around with the scientific descriptor "sex" though, they're living in 1984.


21 posted on 11/06/2006 9:42:18 PM PST by DrGunsforHands
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To: conservative in nyc

This would be funny if we could make corrections for other people if the case is so obvious that it calls for such a change.

"And in the News today, Hardball host Chrissy Matthews was surprised to learn that he was now a legally a woman...he-she was later seen purchasing several pounds of chocolate and a bottle of Pamprin.”


22 posted on 11/06/2006 9:42:19 PM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: conservative in nyc

Yeah, this'll do alot for homeland security.


23 posted on 11/06/2006 9:43:42 PM PST by peteram
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To: conservative in nyc
This guy has a real dilemma.


24 posted on 11/06/2006 9:49:39 PM PST by Cobra64 (Why is the War on Terror being managed by the DEFENSE Department?)
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To: Army Air Corps

"Maybe they should let them change their species from human to dumb ass."

LOL!!! Howling with laughter from that. Outstanding!


25 posted on 11/06/2006 9:49:59 PM PST by rjp2005 (Lord have mercy on us)
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To: conservative in nyc
Cool!

So does this mean I can sign up for the women's swim team and join them in the locker room?

Man, I wish that would have been legal when I was 14!

[puritan freepers - It's a joke, OK? Funny, laugh, haha, see?]

26 posted on 11/06/2006 9:51:50 PM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: conservative in nyc
The Freaks are going to inherit the Earth.

This is why I voted against the "Equal Rights Amendment" in Iowa and nationally all those years ago.

It wasn't about equal rights for women. Had nothing to do with that.

I read the thing. It all revolved around the word "Gender" not sex. Sex is male/female. Gender defines masculine/feminine - in other words, what we FEEL about our sex, not what sex we are. That would have been a helluva effective thin edge of the wedge and would have covered every gender bender that you can possibly imagine - those who feel they were born the wrong sex, transgenders, transvestites - all those freaky things that were psychiatric diseases when I was growing up 40 years ago.

Beware EVERY bill passed by the left. Bribery to their own pet freakshow somewhere in them bills.

27 posted on 11/06/2006 9:54:17 PM PST by HeartlandOfAmerica (The Democrat Party: Best friends of America's WORST enemies!)
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To: lesser_satan

That's interesting. If you had a birth certificate, an official state document, showing that you were a woman, why couldn't you shower with women.

Let's take it a step further. You join a woman's health club. When they turn you down, you have a great lawsuit.


28 posted on 11/06/2006 9:56:54 PM PST by doug from upland
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To: conservative in nyc
Sounds like a secret plan to identify freaks that pose a danger to society.

As soon as they sign on the dotted line, the applicant gets taken to a back room and has "Sick Puppy" tattooed branded on their forehead.

Wait, what was I thinking? We're talking about NYC here...

NEVERMIND!


29 posted on 11/06/2006 9:57:43 PM PST by benjaminjjones (Assachusetts, land of the "Free 'em All Deval" Patrick & Preverts"R"Us)
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To: Army Air Corps

Long time no see.

I couldn't run for office, I'm too plain spoken .

Reporter dude. Is it true you called your opponent a dumb ass.

Taz...Not only did I say it, let me add this. He has the economic comprehension of a meth head.

Wouldn't do, wouldn't do at all.


30 posted on 11/06/2006 9:58:19 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (The Internet is the samizdat of liberty..)
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To: doug from upland

My first thought (as I indicated in an earlier post) is what happens when they move out of NY and say, try to get a drivers license in another state? They'll be laughed out of the DMV. Then.... they go find a sympathetic lawyer to sue the state for denying them a license to drive, and all kinds of cans of worms get opened.

No state will ever recognize their altered Birth Certificate.
(Well, maybe Vermont and California)


31 posted on 11/06/2006 10:02:06 PM PST by peteram
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To: doug from upland
why couldn't you shower with women

Just go stay at a youth hostel in Amsterdam, you wouldn't have to go through the "unspeakable stigma" (/sarc) of changing gender, and still be able to get slippery with them.

32 posted on 11/06/2006 10:07:05 PM PST by benjaminjjones (Assachusetts, land of the "Free 'em All Deval" Patrick & Preverts"R"Us)
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To: conservative in nyc

Sodom and Gomorrah tried this before, and we know what happened there.


33 posted on 11/06/2006 10:10:41 PM PST by rjp2005 (Lord have mercy on us)
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To: TASMANIANRED

"He has the economic comprehension of a meth head."

I now volunteer to work on your campaign. If I were your speech writer, the only change that I would have made would have been this: He has the economic comprehension of a friggin' meth head after a frontal lobotomy. By the by, he also has the morals of a deranged badger that has had a diet of spanish fly and Viagra.


34 posted on 11/06/2006 10:14:36 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: TASMANIANRED

"Long time no see."

Well, two jobs and grad school will do that to ya.
I work the full-time job Monday through Friday and the part-time (teaching undergrad-level history) job two nights per week.


35 posted on 11/06/2006 10:16:46 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: TASMANIANRED

Well, 'tis time for me to toddle-off to bed; I must arise early to go enjoy the right of franchise.


36 posted on 11/06/2006 10:19:27 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: peteram
"Uh, er... I've been excerpted."
37 posted on 11/06/2006 10:40:34 PM PST by non-anonymous
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To: oneamericanvoice
What's in the water in NY?

It's not the water. It's all the freaks that move here.

38 posted on 11/06/2006 11:01:32 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: headstamp

Didn't the Romans allow something similar to this? I remember watching Life of Brian where a man in the People's Liberation Front of Judea announced in the Stadium:

"I want to be a woman, Stan - I want you all to call me Loretta. It's my right as a man.

Stan: But you are not a woman.

Loretta: Don't you oppress me . . . ."

I guess someone in New York wants to replay that scene.


39 posted on 11/06/2006 11:18:42 PM PST by Howard Jarvis Admirer (Howard Jarvis, the foe of the tax collector and friend of the California homeowner)
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To: conservative in nyc

Can I add 4 inches to my height?


40 posted on 11/06/2006 11:25:28 PM PST by opinionator
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To: opinionator

I wish I could do that, then I'd be 6 feet tall.


41 posted on 11/06/2006 11:26:47 PM PST by darkangel82
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To: conservative in nyc
If I was a girl I'd never get anything done because I'd stay home all day and play with my B**B$.
42 posted on 11/06/2006 11:30:19 PM PST by Private_Sector_Does_It_Better (The UN did such a great job with Oil for Food in Iraq, let's let them run the whole country)
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To: conservative in nyc

What is this world coming to?


43 posted on 11/06/2006 11:42:38 PM PST by peggybac (Tolerance is the virtue of believing in nothing)
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To: conservative in nyc
Separating anatomy from what it means to be a man or a woman, New York City is moving forward with a plan to let people alter the sex on their birth certificate even if they have not had sex-change surgery.

This is one of those things that shows the shameless utter hypocrisy of the left. Although Darwinism is not synonymous with liberalism, liberals believe that it is sound science, and that it should be taught as fact in public schools without competition from other theories about the origin of the species.

On the other hand, they will say something that gender -- something that scientifically can only be defined in either/or terms -- should be up to the individual. It's so maddog stupid.

44 posted on 11/06/2006 11:46:31 PM PST by L.N. Smithee (MSM cries crocodile tears about negative campaigns -- they ARE a negative campaign against the GOP!)
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To: conservative in nyc

Failure to live in the real world and accept facts as they are, no matter how disappointing they are, is a workable definition of insanity.

This sort of insanity will now be backed by the coercive power of the state of New York.


45 posted on 11/07/2006 12:10:18 AM PST by D.P.Roberts
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To: conservative in nyc

>>Good grief.<<

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>>“Surgery versus nonsurgery can be arbitrary,” said Dr. Thomas R. Frieden, the city’s health commissioner.<<

The good doctor does have a point - surgery to mutilate your gentials doesn't really change your sex so if they really let people who have had the operation change their birth certificate then they might as well them do it without the surgery.... its changing the birth records in the first place that's the problem.

Disclaimer: I know there are some people born physically intersex and I have full sympathy for them but they are a tiny minority of those we are discussing.


46 posted on 11/07/2006 12:18:30 AM PST by gondramB (It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.)
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To: wagglebee

One of us will do this! I can tomorrow.


47 posted on 11/07/2006 12:25:40 AM PST by little jeremiah
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To: conservative in nyc

When I was four, I wanted to grow up and be an elephant because I liked the Babar books.

So if I'm ever in NY (fat chance), I'll put down "elephant".


48 posted on 11/07/2006 12:26:33 AM PST by little jeremiah
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To: conservative in nyc

I saw this coming over a year ago. I wrote to members of Congress detailing how such a change would negate the proposed Marriage Protection Amendment, but they're hell bent on pursuing an amendment that would be worthless.


49 posted on 11/07/2006 1:20:36 AM PST by backtothestreets
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To: peteram
No state will ever recognize their altered Birth Certificate.

But it might be decided that the Constitution requires states to honor it. Maybe we need a Constitutional amendment that allows us to eject states from the union.

50 posted on 11/07/2006 1:21:30 AM PST by Dan Evans
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