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1 posted on 11/12/2006 7:36:34 AM PST by FlameThrower
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To: FlameThrower

Nah - I wouldn't worry so much. After a nuclear weapon goes off in Washington DC, what's left of American resolve will get let loose.

Unfortunately, it seems that that is what it is going to take.


2 posted on 11/12/2006 7:39:04 AM PST by txzman (Jer 23:29)
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Great cities, the emblems of Western Civilization, began as a walled defenses against marauding enemies. In a world turned upside-down, they are now our great vulnerability. They are suicidal concentrations of expensive economic, cultural and political assets waiting, exposed, for destruction. The only way to ignore nuclear terrorism will be to “redeploy” preemptively out of the crosshairs. Within years our cities will die – abandoned or incinerated.

I wouldn't give a plug nickel for the near-term survival chances of any large population urban city in this country. Once the vehicle-delivered nuclear blasts have been executed in our cities, the 'major' population of this country will be concentrated in areas far-outside the confines of the former dense population areas. In those areas, means of self-protection will be critical just to survive.

3 posted on 11/12/2006 7:42:52 AM PST by Gaffer
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bttt


4 posted on 11/12/2006 7:45:05 AM PST by SittinYonder (Ic þæt gehate, þæt ic heonon nelle; fleon fotes trym, ac wille furðor gan)
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End of the west? Just crying over spilt milk. Time to pick ourselves up and get on with it. Everyone was sensing what was going to happen we just couldn,t believe the leadership was going to drive over the cliff. Better it happens now than in 08. Our first mistake was to lose respect for our adversaries because we disagree with them. Time for repubs in the house and senate to take stock and start planning. I think Mitch Mc. can do it. Don't look for help from the White House though; they've fell into making up the facts to go along wtih their agenda.


5 posted on 11/12/2006 7:49:25 AM PST by KyHammer (Get over it, now.)
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If you do not consent to be terrorized, terrorism does not work. If it does not work, it will, eventually, not happen. To allow it to work is to invite it to happen. The successfully terrorized victim serves as accomplice to the terrorist.

Very good point. That pretty much sums up the operating principle for all of human history.

8 posted on 11/12/2006 7:58:08 AM PST by Dan Evans
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bookmark ping-a-ling , & THANKS FlameThrower


10 posted on 11/12/2006 8:06:10 AM PST by Dad yer funny (FoxNews is morphing , and not for the better ,... internal struggle? Its hard to watch)
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Check this one out.


12 posted on 11/12/2006 8:16:21 AM PST by Jackknife ( "It's not a real party 'til somebody breaks something.")
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Nonsense. This is part of the cycle of life. We have been fighting the lowlives since the dawn of time.


17 posted on 11/12/2006 8:30:33 AM PST by ScholarWarrior
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TET II -- The End contains some pretty good thoughts and analysis.

And we can't, ultimately, blame the Left and its chief weapon, the Media.

I agree. But a generation ago is a different story.

Americans were caught flatfooted. Newspapers were quickly giving way to TV network news. TV network news rapidly replaced newspapers as the primary source and it was staffed by men who made their mark in W.W.II. We had every reason to trust them.

From the author's article published a couple of years ago:

[The events in Viet Nam] was now a war for the heart and mind of Walter Cronkite. And there, an American defeat was forged out of an American victory.

The hearts and minds of MSM employees today yielded before our forces entered Iraq. To wit, Ellen Ratner hoped that "Bush would mess up;" ABCNNBCBS employees proclaimed that they were journalists, impartial and were not going to wear no stinkin' American Flags on air -- and scoffed at the few who did show the Flag.

"Bring it all down, man" was the 1960s pledge of allegiance. Well. they're still trying.

20 posted on 11/12/2006 8:43:04 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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Nice article. I agree wholeheartedly with your analysis of the left in the cold war, and their reasons for allowing the terrorists to win. I think the war for civilization is not over, but the cost has just gone up a great deal, as when Europe failed to stop Hitler in 1938, leading to millions more deaths. In that war, the outcome could have gone either way, and with Democrats in charge of a nuclear terror war, the outcome is not certain. The good guys don't always win--ask the Romans, or better, ask the Byzantines. Their empire was overrun by barbaric Muslims, too, their cathedrals turned into mosques, their men killed, their women made concubines. The people who did that are still there, and they still want to do that.


21 posted on 11/12/2006 8:57:35 AM PST by Defiant (The shame of Spain has stained the fruited plain.)
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Good first draft. Now read Orwell's "Politics and the English Language" carefully and give it another shot.


25 posted on 11/12/2006 9:06:36 AM PST by Silly (still being silly)
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There is no clash of civilizations, only internal rot and civil war in the West. The template could be a classic war of colonization, the Plantation policy in Ireland (since you mentioned Ireland). Islamic terrorism in the West is simply an offshoot of the violence of this new Plantation policy. The "War On Terror" is a place the Republicans go to hide from this civil war (something I've called the Galtieri Syndrome), ultimately what they are hiding from is the issue of race. In the unlikely event that Islamic terrorists set off a nuke in a Western city we will be treated to the spectacle of our leaders falling all over themselves to affirm the wonderfulness of diversity and the peacefulness of Islam, and sending out messages to all branch offices of the FBI to be vigilant on hate crimes against Muslims. So at least we'll get some laughs out of it, particularly if the Republicans are in office.

The supporters of the war in Iraq should have known the problems going in. It is, among many other things, a war of political correctness: we must pretend that Iraq is ripe for democracy and liberal society because to suggest anything else would be racist, wouldn't it? Family values, after all, don't stop at the border. GWB was compelled by his PC values to attempt nation building, it was built into the plan from the start and was not a result of pressure.

26 posted on 11/12/2006 9:07:15 AM PST by jordan8
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in three years of freep, this might be the single greatest post

mega bump


33 posted on 11/12/2006 9:21:45 AM PST by beebuster2000
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'Welcome to the future!'
36 posted on 11/12/2006 9:31:41 AM PST by Eastbound
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Excellent post. Thanks!


39 posted on 11/12/2006 9:58:38 AM PST by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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Nice take on the current times.


40 posted on 11/12/2006 10:18:02 AM PST by e_castillo
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"The failure is ours, the American people’s."

In this regard, Iraq is quite similar to Viet Nam.

"Bush’s original strategy was preemption: to attack and destroy the terrorist in their homes before they could muster an attack. To eliminate the festering failed States that sustained them. It morphed under pressure to nation-building. We will soon adopt a third way: we will “redeploy” out of Iraq – tail between our legs. And the terrorist will follow us home. The nuclear attacks will be random, unstoppable and devastating."

Again just as in Viet Nam. The only difference was that Communism wasn't about destroying the Western ideology to death, which is the goal of Islam. It is mind blowing to believe the leftist's in this country, can't or won't understand and accept that fact.

I am sure that I am not the only one who knew exactly what needed to be done on 9/12/01. But I also knew we wouldn't have the fortitude to do it. There is still time. I am not quite as fatalistic as this excellent writer, but close. As, that said, the Rubicon is about to be crossed.

42 posted on 11/12/2006 10:21:46 AM PST by ImpBill ("America ... Where are you now?")
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Personally, I agree with this author, but disagree about what the use of nukes in our cities would do. Face it, the nukes would kill mostly Democrats...


44 posted on 11/12/2006 10:31:39 AM PST by wastoute
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47 posted on 11/12/2006 10:50:52 AM PST by sauropod ("Come have some pie with me.")
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Nukes are paradigm-shifting weapons that invalidate Segura’s Law. You can maintain a stiff upper lip to the occasional terror bombing, but stoical detachment cannot withstand nuclear attack.

Well, with respect and not to seem overly mordant, this is not shown. If the will to reply is not there, it isn't going to happen. And what might possibly motivate leadership not to reply to a nuclear terrorist attack?

That's very simple. A leadership with motivations other and superior to the defense of its citizens, such as the promotion of world government, might find not replying in its overall interest. One faced with massive retaliation from other governments who back the terrorists for their own interests might not reply. One weakened and enervated by faction might find it convenient not to reply if its ideological foes are the only ones attacked.

It's perfectly imaginable. I think that in the current radical wing of the Democratic party we see figures who are more than capable of allowing this sort of outrage in pursuit of some "higher" goal.

Do not give up your guns, because the police who will be told to protect you might just as easily be told not to. The same goes for national defense.

50 posted on 11/12/2006 11:32:46 AM PST by Billthedrill
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