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"A CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER" (Not the Tom Clancy novel)
Free Republic ^ | 11/12/2006 | gonzo

Posted on 11/12/2006 7:35:46 PM PST by gonzo

The following are copys of e-mails that I've sent to my employees up North (I live in Florida now), and Jim Robinson...

"Re: What's goin' on...

To Jim Robinson | 10/19/2006 4:43:47 AM EDT sent

Howdy Jim. Barry/gonzo here. What follows is an e-mail that I sent to my troops up North at my Company in South Bend, Indiana. They're a bunch of rabid VRWC buffs, and they wanted my take on world events, after I had warned them to 'keep their powder dry'.

A few days later, I sent this to Jim:

BTW, Jim, those TU-142's are actually TU-95's, an upgraded version of the 142. A little stronger, but still a 'Bear'. My bad. I flagged you on a thread about them.

............Barry/gonzo I didn't want to post it as a thread on FR because, well, I think I'm close to being right, and 'loose lips and all...'."
Here goes, with some other observations afterwards:

To my employees and JimRob:
Baryshery@aol.com wrote:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1719198/posts

This link is part of a good look at the Enemies of the USA. There are active links on the thread that are also excellent, especially # 20.
READ THIS BEFORE YOU CLICK THE LINK, PLEASE:

I don't often write messages like this - in fact, not for 28 years as I remember, so here goes:

North Korea claims to have recently tested a nuclear bomb. This is highly unlikely, given all the intel that has been obtained, but they did explode something, on the order of about 800,000 pounds of TNT (tri-nitro-toluene), which is possible. Whether or not the little maniac running that Country has or can make a working A-Bomb in the future is irrelevant. North Korea is now under a virtual blockade of any shipments of any nuclear materials out of Korea, courtesy of the UN (the UN is a joke, but the votes are in, and Korean goods can and will be siezed on the high seas as necessary).
What is important is that they have already shipped a number of their possibly operational Big-Dong missles to Iran! Those missles in Iran can reach Israel, all of Europe, and much of Russia and Asia.

Now, I'm the only one here(at BAMAR) that can remember the Korean War as current events. China entered the Korean War on the side of the North (unofficially) when it appeared that the UN-Allied powers were about to defeat North Korea. China is now stuck with NK as their very-own bastard stepchild. I love the irony of it, because China doesn't want a nuke-enabled NK either, so they voted for blockade! So, for all intensive purposes, NK is no further problem.

Now, Iran: Iran is now making fissile material (stuff-that-goes-big-bang) for nuclear weapons, and will have enough material for their first A-Bomb before April, 2007, and possibly by December, 2006.
The guy in charge in Iran, who I call 'Amanutjob', is insane, and has often said, amongst other things, that he intends to destroy Israel, the United States, and anyone else that doesn't convert to Islam, and I believe he is sincere. He's crazy, but he's not kidding!
He also welcomes Armageddon, even and especially a nuclear one, and I believe him!
I think that he must be stopped, and that he will be stopped!

I hoped that our President Bush would be strong enough to give the order to destroy Irans' nuclear capability with conventional arms (and we have them in quantity), even if the USA had to go it alone. Logistically, Israel doesn't have the means, and is too far away to do it without using nukes, so it's up to the USA.
Middle-last week it was reported that Russia was activating quite a number of their old TU-142 Bear intercontinental bombers. These are relics of the Cold War, and wouldn't stand a chance going up against any defenses of the US, Britain, or even France (if France didn't surrender first). They can, however, carry and drop a huge bomb load over distance, and they were reliable. Therefore, I think Russia's in the coming fight on the side of 'the Good Guys'.

So, I said all that, to say this:
I think that sometime after the elections on November 7, (vote, dammit!) and before April, 2007, Irans' nuclear capabilities are going to be seriously attrited (we're gonna bomb the very-living-shit outa their facilities) using conventional weapons. We're also going to secure Irans' Southern oil facilities to protect them (Google - Maps of Iran), and also protect the Straits of Hormuz (see Maps...) by invading Iran from Iraq. (Gee, who would have thought that we'd already be in Iraq?)
When this starts (shit-hitting-the-fan), every so-called Mosque in the USA and in other Countries becomes a potential den of murderous zealots. Christians and Jews don't store weapons and explosives in their Churches and Synagogues, but Moslems do it all the time!!

It may be prudent to take steps to be able to protect ourselves before anything bad happens.
I could be wrong, but I don't think so.
Neville Chamberlain (Google) was wrong, and about 90,000,000 souls subsequently perished.
I've read the Bible, both Testaments.
I've read the Koran (Quran), and it sucks!
Islam is not a religion - it is a cult of death.
I'm reading up on The Crusades now.(I think we're in one again, and this time, it's for keeps!)

I'll be happy to answer any questions. This is the longest letter I've ever written, and I can't even type!

Stay well, y'all, and hope to see you soon......................Barry

PS: And I thought the only nutbars I'd have to think about were these wierd Scientologists around
here..............B
End of e-mail.

To JimRob:
Additional info (and I don't want to dig too deep):

The USAF is presently working out of an Air Base in far Eastern Russia (Base name unknown), WITH the Russians. There was a ground collision accident there with a plane subsequently burning up. A USAF Tanker (KC-135 or KC-10) was involved. The story made page 99, and then went down the memory hole. I think we're arming the Russians with Smart Bombs, and possibly helping with mid-air re-fueling.

My personal opinion is that a three-pronged attack plan is being hatched:

#1)-The USA and Great Britain (and others) are in Iraq, and will commence Air and Ground ops against Iran as noted above. There may well be an amphibious incursion in the East (Google Maps of Iran).All conventional weaponry.

#2)-Israel will move North into Lebanon and finish-off Hizbolla (it made NO sense for them to stop last time), and will probably continue into Syria. The USA and Brits will probably lend Air cover as needed. All conventional weaponry.

#3)-Russia will probably be tasked with bombing the North Korean nuclear-bomb facilities, and maybe not the nuclear power plants - anybodys guess, but L'il Kim gets dead.
The Russians may help in Iran in the second wave of bombings as necessary, because those TU-142's are just too damned noisy. All conventional weaponry.

#4)-China will cooperate with all sides, but will stay out of the fight. Instead, I think they'll provide safe air passage and any intel they can. Theirs has become a peculiar form of Communism, and is actually transitioning into the biggest Capitalist Country in the World. They're not going to attack their largest market - the USA - and so, will become our new best friend.

#5)-After the initial destruction is completed, we'll probably call a time-out on the field, and ask the muzzies if they want to quit their evil ways, or would they like us to get serious with Nuclear Weapons?

#6)-It depends on their answer to #5!

Jim, when 9/11 happened, I knew in my gut that the muzzies (wogs) were going to NEED an object lesson in order to change their minds, just as the Germans and Japanese needed Dresden, Hamburg, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki to change theirs.
It is no accident that the USA is presently in Iraq, effectively splitting Syria and Iran, and positioned to take and hold the important parts of Iran.
I think that we know where all the Iraqi WMD's are buried in Syria, and that they're Chem and Bio weapons, that we'll burn later.

In my conversations with my troops (employees) up North, I've just cautioned them to be prepared for the possibility of some internal civil unrest here in the USA, started by Islamaniacs that are already here, in their mosques. It'll take some time for local Police to regain control.

Well, that's it so far, Jim! After the elections and before April, 2007! As I pick up more data, I'll add to this.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: china; coldwar2; iran; putin; russia; sovietunion; usa
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To: Grampa Dave; gonzo; woodbutcher
Daniel Pipes reports on a new photograph reputed to be Ahmadinejad ca. 1979 here.

Although the President referred to Iran as part of his "Axis of Evil", his new DOD designate Robert Michael Gates joins James Baker and Tony Blair in urging "engagement" with Tehran to ensure stability in Iraq.

Who besides Homer Simpson finds this logical?

Behold Mahmoud Ahmadinejad pursuing the nuclear weapons to erase Israel and bring on the return of the lost imam and now has the Great Satan bowing to his will, seeking his favor, guaranteeing him who knows what obscene security.

What seemed like such excellent strategery, the bracketing of Iran with U.S. forces in Iraq and Afghanistan, has, within the week, been reversed faster than any wrestling move Donald Rumsfeld taught.

Will Rice and Bush exert yet more pressure on Olmert to cave to the demands of the murderous islamofascists.

I recall Robert Baer in See No Evil recounting being recalled by the FBI on orders from Tony Lake--just as he closed on the culprit of the 1983 Beirut Embassy bombing, IJO, "a term of art for Iran".

Are we outsourcing U.S. policy.

101 posted on 11/13/2006 12:30:28 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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Ping for later. This is a most disturbing thread!
102 posted on 11/13/2006 12:44:32 PM PST by angcat ("IF YOU DON'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM")
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To: Bob Ireland; Matchett-PI; MinuteGal; oldglory; M Kehoe; mcmuffin; Jim Robinson; Thunder90; ...
"...I don't see any mention of the Dem Congress in this prospectus... don't underestimate their capacity to out-surrender the French..."

I'm sure the dims would rather surrender - that's true, but I'm betting on President Bush being able to act unilaterally, without even bothering with the congress or senate.

I believe he, as President of the USA, can pursue any and all actions he feels are necessary when he believes our Nation is faced with a 'Clear and Present Danger', hence, the title of this thread. Any actions taken can then be later discussed in the Congress and Senate for any wrongdoing, but, the job would be done!

What-the-hell, klintoon bombed the crap out of 'whatever Yugoslavia and some surrounding Countries are called', just to get his 'Impeachment' off the front page! he never asked anyones' permission, nor did he suffer any consequences.

Regardless of what the USA may have become politically after last November 7th, the islamofacist Global Threat is real, and IMHO, it's best to deal with it now, in 1938, when it can be defeated, instead of waiting until 1939, when the bombs start dropping.

In any event, stay well armed and safe, my friend. You and Quentin can always bunk at 'Firebase Gonzo'!.................FRegards

103 posted on 11/13/2006 12:56:24 PM PST by gonzo (I'm not confused anymore. Now I'm sure we have to completely destroy Islam, and FAST!!)
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placemark


104 posted on 11/13/2006 12:58:39 PM PST by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: LachlanMinnesota

I'm very interested in this discussion, and have to admit I'm not knowledgeable about the topics being discussed. I was wondering, though, if it would be feasible for Israel to bomb the Iranian nuke facility, and what the consequences might be if they did. Thanks for any help you can give me in thinking through this.


105 posted on 11/13/2006 1:05:36 PM PST by redhead (70,000 Military Veterans call Alaska "Home." It's nice to feel so protected)
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To: photodawg
"Bush and neocons knew the American public would support limited response to 9-11 threats and hence portrayed Iraq and Hussein as bogeyman, thinking they could do an updated desert storm. They greatly misunderestimated (smile) the strength of islamic jihad, and were now caught in a battle that became the major front in the war on islam, with Iran pulling the strings."

LOL! I said (aloud, and to myself, for some strange reason) virtually the exact same thing just seconds before I read your post. Thank you for your knowledge, all of you! I'm learning a lot!

106 posted on 11/13/2006 1:08:32 PM PST by redhead (70,000 Military Veterans call Alaska "Home." It's nice to feel so protected)
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To: gonzo

btt


107 posted on 11/13/2006 1:17:00 PM PST by Nascar Dad (Liberals, Libertarians, Losers....)
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To: Grampa Dave
"...If something like this isn't done before the new congress is sworn in, Israel will have to take out Iran by itself to ensure its survival..."

And they will Grampa Dave! The only problem is that logistically, Israel would have to use their Nuclear weapons, and any surviving aircraft would have to land in countries hostile to them.

They just don't have the long-range capability needed to hit Iran with conventional weapons and return. They were stretched to their limit in 1982(?) when they hit the Iraqi nuclear facility, and that was with brand-new, long-range, F-16's (courtesy of the USA).

You're correct. If we don't solve the problem, Israel will! Stay well armed and safe.............FRegards

108 posted on 11/13/2006 1:18:19 PM PST by gonzo (I'm not confused anymore. Now I'm sure we have to completely destroy Islam, and FAST!!)
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To: tazman3; XR7; Echo Talon

I wish I had a ping list. I wish I knew how to make one!............FRegards


109 posted on 11/13/2006 1:23:43 PM PST by gonzo (I'm not confused anymore. Now I'm sure we have to completely destroy Islam, and FAST!!)
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To: woodbutcher
"...I will be considered evil for saying so, but there are no innocents when you are at war. We need to drop a nuke on Iran when they are having one of those parades and we know all of the big wheels are either there or very close..."

The only evil involved are the muzzies - the crazies who strap-on bombs or fly airliners into buildings, and kill innocents.

We are at war. I'd rather see us fight and win it now, while we're still strong! Not like 1942, when we were hurt and bleeding.

Stay well armed and safe............FRegards

110 posted on 11/13/2006 1:38:32 PM PST by gonzo (I'm not confused anymore. Now I'm sure we have to completely destroy Islam, and FAST!!)
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To: redhead
"...I'm very interested in this discussion, and have to admit I'm not knowledgeable about the topics being discussed. I was wondering, though, if it would be feasible for Israel to bomb the Iranian nuke facility, and what the consequences might be if they did. Thanks for any help you can give me in thinking through this..."

See # 108, redhead. Israel has a problem, and only a Nuclear solution.

The rest of the World should solve this problem. Stay well.............FRegards

111 posted on 11/13/2006 1:48:28 PM PST by gonzo (I'm not confused anymore. Now I'm sure we have to completely destroy Islam, and FAST!!)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife; fat city; freedom44; Tamsey; Grampa Dave; PhiKapMom; Hinoki Cypress

Borrowed ping...............FRegards


112 posted on 11/13/2006 1:54:36 PM PST by gonzo (I'm not confused anymore. Now I'm sure we have to completely destroy Islam, and FAST!!)
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To: woodbutcher
Therefore, they may very well not use the very first nuke on Israel.
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They will give that honor to hizballah, and dare us to do anything about it. Also, while it takes time to develop nuclear capability, they can't risk us preemptively destroying what they have as they build more. They love death. nukes mean many deaths. They don't need 1000 megatons just 10 or so strategically used and it destroys our infra structure, economy and way of life . How many megatons would destroy Israel? Europe? Chaos is the operative strategy here.
113 posted on 11/13/2006 2:02:38 PM PST by photodawg
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To: gonzo
I'm pulling for your "insightful senario" of events to really happen. As fanciful as it seems, it actually makes a hell of a lot of sense. Particularly if you believe that Bush is the supurb poker player he has a reputation for.

But I think its got to happen before the ISG, Iraq Study Slaughter Group get its steamroller going in conjuction with Democrat appeasers.

That means, its got to happen in the next month to six weeks. We live in "interesting" times.

114 posted on 11/13/2006 2:10:16 PM PST by HardStarboard (Give Pelosi and Reid Enough Rope to Hang Theselves.)
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To: HardStarboard
"...That means, its got to happen in the next month to six weeks. We live in "interesting" times..."

That's the prefered timing, HardStarboard. It is Israels' belief that Iran will have a nuclear capability by April, 2007.

If we don't stop it, Israel will! Interesting times indeed!

Stay well armed and safe...............FRegards

115 posted on 11/13/2006 2:50:00 PM PST by gonzo (I'm not confused anymore. Now I'm sure we have to completely destroy Islam, and FAST!!)
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To: Miss Marple; Neidermeyer
I seem to remember something about some sonar technology that the Chinese got from Clinton.

It was Toshiba that sold US submarine-propeller technology to the USSR who were only too happy to turn it over to the Chinese.
It was an odd-bladed skewed propeller design to reduce cavitation...which makes the sub very quiet at higher speeds.

116 posted on 11/13/2006 3:03:29 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Do I really need to include the sarcasm tag?)
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To: gonzo

Bump!


117 posted on 11/13/2006 4:17:11 PM PST by Inge_CAV
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To: gonzo
Good evening my FRiend. Some cool weather in the near future. Well, it sure has been a glorious day in our tiny piece of paradise, hasn't it?

You do know your post might scare the newbies. Next thing ya know all of them will be talking about Armageddon. Then again, Israel is a country now, and rumor has it that the cornerstone has been chosen for the third temple. The only problem is there will be a billion screaming muzzies on the top of the Western wall with rocks. Some would call that a problem. Others would call it a target rich environment.

No matter, keep the stores full, gas in the 4x4, and the ammo plentiful. Methinks we are in for a bumpy ride...

5.56mm

118 posted on 11/13/2006 5:11:47 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: M Kehoe
Hi, M.....I'm back and settling in. Hope all is well with you and the missus.

Leni

119 posted on 11/13/2006 7:47:59 PM PST by MinuteGal
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To: M Kehoe; yldstrk; MizSterious; Nix 2; green lantern; BeOSUser; Brad's Gramma; dreadme; Turk2; ...
"...No matter, keep the stores full, gas in the 4x4, and the ammo plentiful. Methinks we are in for a bumpy ride..."

No problems, FRiend, and I'd opt for a 'target-rich' environment. Stay well and safe...........FRegards

120 posted on 11/13/2006 8:24:45 PM PST by gonzo (I'm not confused anymore. Now I'm sure we have to completely destroy Islam, and FAST!!)
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