"A CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER" (Not the Tom Clancy novel)

Free Republic ^ | 11/12/2006 | gonzo

[Inge_CAV]

"Unfortunately, they can't seem to see that far ahead and avoid that problem, but will have to huddle around their fireplaces before they believe how fragile modern life really is."

I don't think the Amish would really notice. Other than paper money will not be worth much.

[MinuteGal]

The world today is a scary place......but it got a thousand times more scary after one lousy mid-term election.

Stay well and armed 'cause I'll be camping out at your place, LOL.

Leni

[unspun]

it must very soon become open-season on all things islam............

Well... I wouldn't exactly go out of my way to seek and destroy those who, to put it it Christian parlance, don't believe in the infallibility of the Koran.   ;-)

[Neidermeyer]

Hmmm. I seem to remember something about some sonar technology that the Chinese got from Clinton. Very unsettling story about the sub, if true.

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I thought it was propeller technology they bought..

[Miss Marple]

You could be right. I am trying to remember something from 10-12 years ago.

[wordsofearnest]

Nobody mentioned the sub we had tailing the chinese sub.

[HardStarboard]

>>>The Eastern Bloc is the buffer between a radicalized Middle East, and Europe, while even the Romanians are beginning to emerge as solid US allies.. <<<

I wonder how long they can continue to adopt that posture under the support and encouragement the Democrats are likely to give them??

[HardStarboard]

Just read your tag line.

"VOTE DEM! You'll Look GREAT In A Burqa!"

Thats the line I used with my liberal friends prior to the elections. Actually, slightly modified..."Vote Dem and your daughters will be wearing burqas".

Unfortuately, it didn't work! Of course nothing Conservative seems to work in Seattle.

Cheers....

[photodawg]

Bush made a very bad mistake in trying to sell the Iraq war as a wonderful Christian thing to do; make Iraq a democracy.
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I didn't post this comment. I reacted to a post that contained this analysis. My point was that Bush did not fully comprehend the strength of the islamic response to our invasion. He thought he would have a desert storm repeat and it would destroy the islamist threat before it could get started. He came up with the Democratic Iraq justification after the mission bogged down, and we found no WMD's. He underestimated his enemy, and overestimated the American resolve to avenge 9-11 and destroy the roots of terrorism, which of course is radical islam. It was too much too fast for a democracy such as ours, that takes forever to reach consensus, and grows tired of war very quickly. He started something he can't finish, a gamble he must pay the price for, and one that jeopardized American security. That is the unvarnished truth. I am not saying I would have done differently, because everything becomes so much easier with the benefit of hindsight. Having said that however, it now becomes necessary to reassess our mission and do what must be done to win this battle. Bush has nothing to lose at this point. He is a lame duck, but still the commander in chief of the strongest military on the face of this earth. I think he should enlist Israel in an attack on Syria, for supplying arms to hizbullah and invade from both israel and iraq. This would force iran's hand before they have the nuclear cards to win. After control is established, the boarders around iraq and syria should be sealed and the terrorists in both states ruthlessly destroyed. If iran is foolish enough to attack in defense of syria we should nuke their nuclear centrifuge and invade. If not they will be isolated and emasculated prior to the final ultimatum to stop producing nuclear fuel. At that point they will know we mean business. The chances of this happening are less than 10% because as I have said previously, the American people do not believe we are in WWIII. They think its some kind of police action that Bush and the chicken hawks f-ed up. Anything less that the military response at this point will be insufficient to deal with the threat and will show us as a paper tiger and prove the jihadists correct in their assessment of our internal weakness. If the military option is chosen it has a 95% chance of success. I can't emphasize enough that we are the military superpower of the world and we have the fire power to do whatever we have the courage to do. the fact that we won't do it points out how unwilling we are to defend our freedom and defeat our enemy.

[Bob Ireland]

***be prepared for the possibility of some internal civil unrest here in the USA, started by Islamaniacs that are already here, in their mosques. It'll take some time for local Police to regain control.

Well, that's it so far, Jim! After the elections and before April, 2007!***

I don't see any mention of the Dem Congress in this prospectus... don't underestimate their capacity to out-surrender the French.

IMHO the constitutional republic known as 'The United States of America' came to an abrupt end on Nov. 7, 2006... it is just going to take some time for people to realize it.

[photodawg]

As for me, I'm not willing to let Iran or N. Korea develop nukes under any circumstances. It would buy time, as you point out, but only increases the risk to us. Massive air strikes -- not just little pussified "surgical strikes" -- could set the timetable back a long way, destroy the current leadership, and give us time WITHOUT risk. It also sends a message we need to send, unlike the geopolitical masturbation practiced through U.N. efforts.

Strictly on principle, I wouldn't trade Israel, geographically, for temporary peace. We've all seen how the camel-humpers treat land-for-peace deals, so why give up anything for nothing?
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I agree with you 100%. I am not advocating my scenario just speculating on what seems plausible given our current political crisis. I am on record in many posts on Free republic as advocating a full out military solution to the iranian, syrian iraqi problem immediately. This strategy is eminently doable now. It won't be so easy after iran gets the bomb. The political situation in this country and europe right now is analogous to 1939. These people should realize that a culture that loves death and encourages children to don suicide belts and kill themselves while they kill infidels will most definitely use the bomb against israel as soon as it is developed. Any belief otherwise is a complete miscalculation. They would do it through a hizballah proxy and I'm not even sure that we would respond militarily at that point. That's why I postulate that the appeasers would relocate Israel to Africa before they challenged iran militarily.

[gonzo]

"...Well... I wouldn't exactly go out of my way to seek and destroy those who, to put it it Christian parlance, don't believe in the infallibility of the Koran. ;-)..."

Well, you're right! Once the infallibilty of the Koran is out the window, yer no longer a muzzie. That means that you can tell the guy in the tower who yells at you 6 or 8 times a day to STFU!

And that broad that does that u-u-latey thingy with her tongue that we hate - we can bitch-slap her for making an ugly noise!

And ... and ... well, I guess they'd kinda become Christians with Santa Claus beards and bad breath, and that's OK!.............FRegards

[gonzo]

"...Stay well and armed 'cause I'll be camping out at your place, LOL..."

C'mon over, babe. All FReepers are welcome at 'Firebase Gonzo'.

Remember when it was 'Marina del Gonzo'? It changes according to the situation. Stay well, cutie............FRegards

[Grampa Dave]

If something like this isn't done before the new congress is sworn in, Israel will have to take out Iran by itself to ensure its survival.

[tazman3]

later readin.

[Grampa Dave]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1737870/posts

Ahmadinejad: Israel’s destruction near
ynetNews ^ | 11/13/06


Posted on 11/13/2006 11:11:58 AM PST by XR7


According to the Iranian media Monday, Iranian President Mahoud Ahmadinejad declared that Israel was destined to ‘disappearance and destruction’ at a council meeting with Iranian ministers.

“The western powers created the Zionist regime in order to expand their control of the area. This regime massacres Palestinians everyday, but since this regime is against nature, we will soon witness its disappearance and destruction,” Ahmadinejad said."

Once again, if Israel wants to survive as a nation, it must take out the Iranian Islamo leadership and nuclear capabilities before the Rats take over congress in Jan 07.

[woodbutcher]

Remember hat the name of Iran was once Persia.

The Persians invented Chess.

They may be run by crazies, but crazies are not necessarily stupid.

Therefore, they may very well not use the very first nuke on Israel.

They may wait until they have a dozen or so in order to hold the rest of the world at bay.

Who knows? Crazies, Chess Oil Money....add up to trouble.

One more comment.

I will be considered evil for saying so, but there are no innocents when you are at war. We need to drop a nuke on Iran when they are having one of those parades and we know all of the big wheels are either there or very close.

Same with Syria.

The same with Falusia.

Sure it will make the French mad. Who cares? Is it better for 5,000 US soldiers to die or the French be mad?

We have got this idiotic idea that we must fight a war without hurting anyone other than a few select people. If you are talking assassination, that might work. With wars it does not work.

As for the bomb, just think how many Americans would be alive today had we had a bomb at Iwo Jima.

[MinuteGal]

I dig "Firebase Gonzo". Has a nice ring to it.

Heck, I remember when it was "Chez Gonzo" before it was "Marina del Gonzo" before it was "Firebase Gonzo" (hmmmm, sounds rather Kerryesque, LOL).

Yep, the lunatics are going to run the country come January so it's time to get series on the home front.

Leni

[gonzo]

What y'all said - A-OK! Ping yer friends and stay well..............FRegards

[PhilDragoo]

The Committee will recall that the cost to the U.S. Navy of restoring its edge in anti-submarine warfare following Toshiba's $18 million sale of quiet propeller manufacturing technology has been estimated to be upwards of $15 billion.