Posted on 11/13/2006 10:57:02 PM PST by B4Ranch
bumping that! happy to find you here!
I just thought I would share a word from the heart, soul, and pen of James Madison (1751~1836), often referred to as the "Chief Architect of the Constitution" He authored 29 of the 85 Federalist Papers:
"We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of all of our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government; upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God."
Nancee
James Madison; 1778 Statement; emphasis is mine.
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We could use a 1000 more people in our courts who think like Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore does.
Here is just a sampling of what Thomas Jefferson had to say about the "Supreme Court":
"Nothing in the Constitution has given them [the federal judges] a right to decide for the Executive, more than to the Executive to decide for them...But the opinion which gives to the judges the right to decide what laws are constitutional, and what not, not only for themselves in their own sphere of action, but for the legislature and executive also, in their spheres, would make the judiciary a despotic branch."*1
And this:
"The germ of dissolution of our federal government is in...the federal judiciary; an irresponsible body (for impeachment is scarcely a scare-crow) working like gravity by night and by day, gaining a little today and a little tomorrow, and advancing its noiseless step like a thief, over the field of jurisdiction, until all shall be ursurped from the States."*2
It is my observation and opinion that this is precisely what we are living with today: the Supreme Court is a despotic group which has ursurped enormous power from the States.
Nancee
*1 Letter to Abigail Adams, September 11, 1804.
*2 Letter to Mr. Hammond (1821).
Gunslinger...I see you have stopped discussing this matter. I would like to offer a couple points and a suggestion for reading. First off, please get your hands on a book called "The Myth of Seperation"....WONDERFUL book...In it you'll see that teaching a Judeo-Christian religion was REQUIRED of states when they applied for state-hood!
Secondly, the Declaration of Independence says that we were "endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable right..." "Unalienable" means non-transferable: people can't surrender these rights, even voluntarily. Or Natural rights - rights from birth. If the government "GIVES" us those rights, then the government can TAKE those rights away. It is the fact that those rights were GIVEN TO US BY OUR CREATOR, that MAN CAN NOT TAKE THEM AWAY!
THAT is the difference between the US and every other government up to that point. The King gave rights, and thus took them away when he wanted. Our founders believed that GOD gave us those rights.... . Thanks....
You're welcome to misrepresent what is taking place. I don't particularly mind, because folks are noticing the same thing I am. I'm speaking of programs I have been watching on PBS and other informative channels. My comments stand.
I said history channels, and think you should have been able to think outside the box and understand I wasn't necessarily refering to the History Channels.
Most of the history programs are on the History Channel however, the ones which aren't are quite similiar and I watch quite a few of them now and have for years. None were as you claim.
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On the flip side, it's nothing that hasn't happened before and hopefully the faithful stay strong. It's a shame our country can't realize this is a blessed country and give God his due. I guess we just have to pray and enjoy the ride.
Well said.
For what it's worth, I last visited the Supreme Court building about six months ago, and I took the ten minute "tour." One person specifically asked the question about the Ten Commandments, and the tour guide said exactly what you did: it is represented in the artwork because it is foundational to our system of law and government.
It's noteworthy that I had a different experience than this fellow.
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To what do you attribute this? I find this interesting indeed.
Nancee
I agree with your premise, but we must be able to win arguments on the wisdom of it. Not everyone is a believer. When the Bible states that God loves us and only has our good in mind, a non believer can't "get" that. So, we have to show the argument that going against what God teaches is harmful, even if you don't believe. A homosexual should know how harmful his choice is just by showing the lifestyle will probably shorten his life. You can brow beat him all day with scripture and he will just be more convinced you are the problem, not him. All statistics show they die younger and are more unhappy because of it. The same with stem cells. Adult stem cells work, embryonic don't. The thing is, they want to kill babies,...as many as possible. They want you to believe it is a good thing. When a stem cell triupmh is proclaimed, they don't mention it was an adult stem cell success. When there is a failure, nothing is announced.
Most people would agree that stealing isn't a good thing, but where is the outrage at adultery? We haven't made the case that adultery is a life destroyer. "Everybody does it", even preachers. Ask someone who is about to jump off a bridge because they lost their wife and family how "good" it was.
One humorous epiphany for myself was when the Bible says, I place before you death and life, blessing and cursing.......Choose life!" God has to tell us to choose life, we are so stupid. I had this picture of a guy tapping his foot, thinking with one of those bubbles above his head, "do I really want to live or die?" "Death may be alright, better than this stinking life I have". Some of us are so stupid, we need God to tell us what seems to be obvious.
To a believer, the Bible is God's knowledge passed to His children. To a non believer, it is of no more value than a Harry Potter novel. We should be able to win an argument using the knowledge of God, without just quoting chapter and verse. Satan is a lier and a confuser. That is why he leaves out the facts and uses spin to convince the weak minded. If I showed someone a pile of guts and body parts and told them this is an abortion, how else can they be so stupid to believe it wasn't a child? It had a heartbeat, brainwaves, it's own fingerprints, it's own blood type and DNA. All these "facts" are just as viable in court as saying a child is a gift from God.
If you explain that a homosexual has sex with human feces all over himself, how can they believe they won't get a disease? Try to imagine the smell and cleanup after their "lovemaking". How can they believe that's normal? They have been lied to so long, they don't grasp reality anymore. It makes Christians cringe to hear these things, but the homosexuals aren't going to tell you what they do. Try sending them to some websites that show them cutting themselves with razors after a rubber band was used to kill their sex organs or using Crisco in ways it was never meant to be used. They cannot explain how that isn't an abomination. When you turn the light on, the roaches run to find a hiding place. Right now, darkness prevails.
You can't possibly be this dense.
You started out with an attitude of arrogant condescension riding on a raft of false statements (which I patiently rebutted with facts) and finally you get around to the ad hominem. Sooner or later people show themselves for what they are.
FWIW I did read the article you FINALLY gave a link to, after umpteen verbose and rambling posts, and it far exceeds the WND article in proving the author's contention that Christian influence on our nation's law and founding is being laundered out of history. If you had an ounce of common sense or decency you would have pointed everyone to that link at the beginning of your little jihad on my reading skills.
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