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The Real Reason Rangel Is Proposing A Draft [To Help The Hate America Left Led Protests]
11/20/06 | Doctor Raoul

Posted on 11/20/2006 6:45:10 AM PST by Doctor Raoul

The Hate America Marxist Left leading the "anti-war movement" realizes that the reason they can not get the large marches seen in the 60s is due to the lack of a draft. As soon as the draft was no longer a threat, the large marches of the 60s stoppped.

Charlie Rangel works with those leaders.

Two and a half years ago, Charlie Rangel helped the MFSO and Code Pink Death March protest from Dover AFB to Walter Reed Army Hospital to the White House. Charlie spoke outside the gates of Dover AFB. A march that saw no American flags outside Walter Reed Army Hospital, while supposedly patriotic military families placed black funeral wreaths on the fences and in front of the Walter Reed sign.

Early 2005, the anti-war movement realized it was not resonating with the general public and held a meeting to define strategy (see The nation March 2005, "The New face of protest").

A draft is the "Holy Grail" that the Hate America Marxist Left sees as the key to having the movement "rise up" instead of "dry up" as it did with their desperate attempt at revival on Veterans Day in Philadelphia.


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To: Doogle
....rangel's search for relevancy

...ongoing, never to be attained...

CA....

41 posted on 11/20/2006 8:35:09 AM PST by Chances Are (Whew! It seems I've once again found that silly grin!)
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To: Doctor Raoul
Rangel was very clear about his reason for wanting the draft. It wasn't to increase the size of the military to protect the country rather it was that if we had a draft the public pressure would have prevented our going into Iraq (he wasn't clear if it was just the second time or if it in his opinion would have prevented Bush 41 from protecting Kuwait).

The military doesn't want draftees. It takes too long to train a soldier and they have to be motivated as they are in an all volunteer force or they were in WWI and WWII. All you get with a draft is a broken military and cannon fodder.

I wonder if Charlie's plan is going to have lots of exceptions to keep his children and his supporters children from becoming cannon fodder. By the time the Democrats get done with it of course it would exclude their kids.

Also are women going to be drafted? Can't discriminate on the base of sex. If we're going to draft cannon fodder than it should be equal opportunity cannon fodder.
42 posted on 11/20/2006 8:36:17 AM PST by airedale ( XZ)
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To: alloysteel
If patriotism is not enough appeal for young men to rush to the defense of their country, then perhaps the country does not DESERVE to be defended.

It is very, very hard to get the American people motivated to fight a war. We are slow to move on such things, and we've always been this way throughout our entire history from day one. However, once the move is made, we become an unstoppable force. Now, maybe it says something bad about us, but the bottom line is that America as a whole does not believe that 9/11 was sufficient provocation for all out total war. If the terrorists keep screwing around, they will cause that to come to pass, but they haven't yet. And when that day comes, there might be a draft as there was in WW2, but it's not like we'll need it; Americans who believe in it as a worthy cause will fight for it. But, we haven't got to that point yet.

The bad thing about this collective personality trait is that we usually wait until things have pretty well dropped into the crapper before we do anything about it. The good thing about this trait is once the ball is rolling, we won't stop until we've either won or been utterly destroyed.
43 posted on 11/20/2006 8:39:52 AM PST by JamesP81 (Rights must be enforced; rights that you're not allowed to enforce are rights that you don't have.)
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To: bmwcyle


wakeup to the people and the party is what you mean...
2008 will determine where the country goes..forward
or in a sewer...morality of the young and their future
is, and will be, in disarray as the constant drip, drip
of liberalism is made more and more apparent..Jake


44 posted on 11/20/2006 8:40:24 AM PST by sanjacjake
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To: ravingnutter

bookmarked


45 posted on 11/20/2006 8:43:03 AM PST by Risha (Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God)
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To: Dark Skies
This could really backfire on the Left. Keep it up Charlie, I don't think this is gonna play well in Harlem.

Exactly. If he pulled this off, the Democrats could watch their majority vanish in the next election, and it would be decades before they regained their relevance.
46 posted on 11/20/2006 8:43:50 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: Doctor Raoul

"It's a fitting symbol of what Democrat rule in Congress will be the next two years: A worthless, cynical expenditure of time and energy that accomplishes absolutely nothing." A quote from Michelle Malkin's blog today. Well said.


47 posted on 11/20/2006 9:16:36 AM PST by downtownconservative
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To: RandallFlagg

Yes he did...


48 posted on 11/20/2006 10:22:21 AM PST by Doctor Raoul (Difference between the CIA and the Free Clinic is that the Free Clinic knows how to stop a leak.)
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To: popdonnelly
It's not whether they really support a draft, they are tying to instill fear of a draft into the public (un)consciousness, hoping to fillout the ranks of the anti-war protests.
49 posted on 11/20/2006 10:26:34 AM PST by Doctor Raoul (Difference between the CIA and the Free Clinic is that the Free Clinic knows how to stop a leak.)
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To: airedale
Also are women going to be drafted?

Yes. Last court decision said "no" becuase women were not allowed in most Military Occupation Specialties (MOS) (a/k/a job title), so essentially the Army would have no place to use women. They failed to meet a need.

Now that the feminazis have successfully fought for opening 80% of MOS specialities to women, they can be inserted into 90% of the available positions (a/k/a job openings).

Private Benjamin will go to war this time.

50 posted on 11/20/2006 10:32:22 AM PST by Doctor Raoul (Difference between the CIA and the Free Clinic is that the Free Clinic knows how to stop a leak.)
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To: Long Island Pete
He's a putz and a schmuck.

He's a schmutz!

51 posted on 11/20/2006 10:34:19 AM PST by steve-b (It's hard to be religious when certain people don't get struck by lightning.)
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To: Doogle
rangel's search for relevancy

Hello, I'm Leonard Nimoy, and this is "In Search of Charles Rangel's Relevancy"....

52 posted on 11/20/2006 10:35:05 AM PST by steve-b (It's hard to be religious when certain people don't get struck by lightning.)
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To: steve-b
He's a putz and a schmuck.

No, he is a macaca.

53 posted on 11/20/2006 10:37:08 AM PST by nwrep
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To: Dems_R_Losers
If Republicans play this right (yeah, I know, first time for everything) they could kill the Democrats in 2008 wiith this. Suburban moms DO NOT want a draft. They have been moving towards the Democrats in droves and this is what is killing the GOP in recent elections. Republicans can get them back if we can convince them that Democrats want to draft their sons.

To save themselves, the Democrats need to find somebody to block the line of sight between Charlie Rangel and any nearby television camera.

They might need to draft somebody for that job....

54 posted on 11/20/2006 10:37:16 AM PST by steve-b (It's hard to be religious when certain people don't get struck by lightning.)
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To: airedale
Also are women going to be drafted?

And what about all the guys who suddenly, shall we say, discover their feminine side?

55 posted on 11/20/2006 10:40:36 AM PST by steve-b (It's hard to be religious when certain people don't get struck by lightning.)
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To: RandallFlagg

They didn't vote on Rangel's 2003 first proposed draft until just after the 2004 election and only two voted for it.

11-5-2004
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2004/roll494.xml
Universal National Service Act
YEAS - 2
Murtha, John (D-PA)
Stark, Fortney Pete (D-CA)


56 posted on 11/20/2006 11:16:09 AM PST by Susannah (thank the troops -> www.letssaythanks.com)
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To: Doctor Raoul
I believe you are right on target.
57 posted on 11/20/2006 1:18:56 PM PST by b4its2late (Liberalism is a hollow log and a mental disorder.)
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To: Susannah

Yeah, but Murtha thought we'd be sending people to join the Cuban Army....


58 posted on 11/20/2006 2:08:05 PM PST by Doctor Raoul (Difference between the CIA and the Free Clinic is that the Free Clinic knows how to stop a leak.)
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To: Doctor Raoul

"There's no question in my mind that this president and this administration would never have invaded Iraq ... if, indeed, we had a draft and members of Congress and the administration thought that their kids from their communities would be placed in harm's way," Rangel

If you look at the house bill introduced in 2004...it has different options for young people to serve their country. I think its another stealth attempt by democrats to get more of our tax money for social boondogle programs.

You don't have to serve in the military. Many young people can't get into the military because their public school have put them on Ritalin. Young people can op-out for civilian service instead....like the Peace Corp except work in done in the United States.

Here's the bill....

H.R.163 : To provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d108&querybd=@FIELD(FLD003+@4((@1(Rep+Rangel++Charles+B.))+00944))



This would mean former Senator John Edwards will pull strings to get his son a top spot as a Walmart greeter....isn't that a civilian service job?






59 posted on 11/20/2006 4:06:38 PM PST by Milligan
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To: Milligan

here's the text of the Rangel 2003 proposal

A BILL
To provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.


Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE; TABLE OF CONTENTS.

(a) SHORT TITLE- This Act may be cited as the `Universal National Service Act of 2003'.

(b) TABLE OF CONTENTS- The table of contents for this Act is as follows:

Sec. 1. Short title; table of contents.

Sec. 2. National service obligation.

Sec. 3. Two-year period of national service.

Sec. 4. Implementation by the President.

Sec. 5. Induction.

Sec. 6. Deferments and postponements.

Sec. 7. Induction exemptions.

Sec. 8. Conscientious objection.

Sec. 9. Discharge following national service.

Sec. 10. Registration of females under the Military Selective Service Act.

Sec. 11. Relation of Act to registration and induction authority of Military Selective Service Act.

Sec. 12. Definitions.

SEC. 2. NATIONAL SERVICE OBLIGATION.

(a) OBLIGATION FOR YOUNG PERSONS- It is the obligation of every citizen of the United States, and every other person residing in the United States, who is between the ages of 18 and 26 to perform a period of national service as prescribed in this Act unless exempted under the provisions of this Act.

(b) FORM OF NATIONAL SERVICE- National service under this Act shall be performed either--

(1) as a member of an active or reverse component of the uniformed services; or

(2) in a civilian capacity that, as determined by the President, promotes the national defense, including national or community service and homeland security.

(c) INDUCTION REQUIREMENTS- The President shall provide for the induction of persons covered by subsection (a) to perform national service under this Act.

(d) SELECTION FOR MILITARY SERVICE- Based upon the needs of the uniformed services, the President shall--

(1) determine the number of persons covered by subsection (a) whose service is to be performed as a member of an active or reverse component of the uniformed services; and

(2) select the individuals among those persons who are to be inducted for military service under this Act.

(e) CIVILIAN SERVICE- Persons covered by subsection (a) who are not selected for military service under subsection (d) shall perform their national service obligation under this Act in a civilian capacity pursuant to subsection (b)(2).

SEC. 3. TWO-YEAR PERIOD OF NATIONAL SERVICE.

(a) GENERAL RULE- Except as otherwise provided in this section, the period of national service performed by a person under this Act shall be two years.

(b) GROUNDS FOR EXTENSION- At the discretion of the President, the period of military service for a member of the uniformed services under this Act may be extended--

(1) with the consent of the member, for the purpose of furnishing hospitalization, medical, or surgical care for injury or illness incurred in line of duty; or

(2) for the purpose of requiring the member to compensate for any time lost to training for any cause.

(c) EARLY TERMINATION- The period of national service for a person under this Act shall be terminated before the end of such period under the following circumstances:

(1) The voluntary enlistment and active service of the person in an active or reverse component of the uniformed services for a period of at least two years, in which case the period of basic military training and education actually served by the person shall be counted toward the term of enlistment.

(2) The admission and service of the person as a cadet or midshipman at the United States Military Academy, the United States Naval Academy, the United States Air Force Academy, the Coast Guard Academy, or the United States Merchant Marine Academy.

(3) The enrollment and service of the person in an officer candidate program, if the person has signed an agreement to accept a Reserve commission in the appropriate service with an obligation to serve
on active duty if such a commission is offered upon completion of the program.


(4) Such other grounds as the President may establish.

SEC. 4. IMPLEMENTATION BY THE PRESIDENT.

(a) IN GENERAL- The President shall prescribe such regulations as are necessary to carry out this Act.

(b) MATTER TO BE COVERED BY REGULATIONS- Such regulations shall include specification of the following:

(1) The types of civilian service that may be performed for a person's national service obligation under this Act.

(2) Standards for satisfactory performance of civilian service and of penalties for failure to perform civilian service satisfactorily.

(3) The manner in which persons shall be selected for induction under this Act, including the manner in which those selected will be notified of such selection.

(4) All other administrative matters in connection with the induction of persons under this Act and the registration, examination, and classification of such persons.

(5) A means to determine questions or claims with respect to inclusion for, or exemption or deferment from induction under this Act, including questions of conscientious objection.

(6) Standards for compensation and benefits for persons performing their national service obligation under this Act through civilian service.

(7) Such other matters as the President determines necessary to carry out this Act.

(c) USE OF PRIOR ACT- To the extent determined appropriate by the President, the President may use for purposes of this Act the procedures provided in the Military Selective Service Act (50 U.S.C. App. 451 et seq.), including procedures for registration, selection, and induction.

SEC. 5. INDUCTION.

(a) IN GENERAL- Every person subject to induction for national service under this Act, except those whose training is deferred or postponed in accordance with this Act, shall be called and inducted by the President for such service at the time and place specified by the President.

(b) AGE LIMITS- A person may be inducted under this Act only if the person has attained the age of 18 and has not attained the age of 26.

(c) VOLUNTARY INDUCTION- A person subject to induction under this Act may volunteer for induction at a time other than the time at which the person is otherwise called for induction.

(d) EXAMINATION; CLASSIFICATION- Every person subject to induction under this Act shall, before induction, be physically and mentally examined and shall be classified as to fitness to perform national service. The President may apply different classification standards for fitness for military service and fitness for civilian service.

SEC. 6. DEFERMENTS AND POSTPONEMENTS.

(a) HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS- A person who is pursuing a standard course of study, on a full-time basis, in a secondary school or similar institution of learning shall be entitled to have induction under this Act postponed until the person--

(1) obtains a high school diploma;

(2) ceases to pursue satisfactorily such course of study; or

(3) attains the age of 20.

(b) HARDSHIP AND DISABILITY- Deferments from national service under this Act may be made for--

(1) extreme hardship; or

(2) physical or mental disability.

(c) TRAINING CAPACITY- The President may postpone or suspend the induction of persons for military service under this Act as necessary to limit the number of persons receiving basic military training and education to the maximum number that can be adequately trained.

(d) TERMINATION- No deferment or postponement of induction under this Act shall continue after the cause of such deferment or postponement ceases.

SEC. 7. INDUCTION EXEMPTIONS.

(a) QUALIFICATIONS- No person may be inducted for military service under this Act unless the person is acceptable to the Secretary concerned for training and meets the same health and physical qualifications applicable under section 505 of title 10, United States Code, to persons seeking original enlistment in a regular component of the Armed Forces.

(b) OTHER MILITARY SERVICE- No person shall be liable for induction under this Act who--

(1) is serving, or has served honorably for at least six months, in any component of the uniformed services on active duty; or

(2) is or becomes a cadet or midshipman at the United States Military Academy, the United States Naval Academy, the United States Air Force Academy, the Coast Guard Academy, the United States
Merchant Marine Academy, a midshipman of a Navy accredited State maritime academy, a member of the Senior Reserve Officers' Training Corps, or the naval aviation college program, so long as that person satisfactorily continues in and completes two years training therein.


SEC. 8. CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTION.

(a) CLAIMS AS CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTOR- Any person selected under this Act for induction into the uniformed services who claims, because of religious training and belief (as defined in section 6(j) of the Military Selective Service Act (50 U.S.C. 456(j))), exemption from combatant training included as part of that military service and whose claim is sustained under such procedures as the President may prescribe, shall, when inducted, participate in military service that does not include any combatant training component.

(b) TRANSFER TO CIVILIAN SERVICE- Any such person whose claim is sustained may, at the discretion of the President, be transferred to a national service program for performance of such person's national service obligation under this Act.

SEC. 9. DISCHARGE FOLLOWING NATIONAL SERVICE.

(a) DISCHARGE- Upon completion or termination of the obligation to perform national service under this Act, a person shall be discharged from the uniformed services or from civilian service, as the case may be, and shall not be subject to any further service under this Act.

(b) COORDINATION WITH OTHER AUTHORITIES- Nothing in this section shall limit or prohibit the call to active service in the uniformed services of any person who is a member of a regular or reserve component of the uniformed services.

SEC. 10. REGISTRATION OF FEMALES UNDER THE MILITARY SELECTIVE SERVICE ACT.

(a) REGISTRATION REQUIRED- Section 3(a) of the Military Selective Service Act (50 U.S.C. 453(a)) is amended--

(1) by striking `male' both places it appears;

(2) by inserting `or herself' after `himself'; and

(3) by striking `he' and inserting `the person'.

(b) CONFORMING AMENDMENT- Section 16(a) of the Military Selective Service Act (50 U.S.C. App. 466(a)) is amended by striking `men' and inserting `persons'.

SEC. 11. RELATION OF ACT TO REGISTRATION AND INDUCTION AUTHORITY OF MILITARY SELECTIVE SERVICE ACT.

(a) REGISTRATION- Section 4 of the Military Selective Service Act (50 U.S.C. App. 454) is amended by inserting after subsection (g) the following new subsection:

`(h) This section does not apply with respect to the induction of persons into the Armed Forces pursuant to the Universal National Service Act of 2003.'.

(b) INDUCTION- Section 17(c) of the Military Selective Service Act (50 U.S.C. App. 467(c)) is amended by striking `now or hereafter' and all that follows through the period at the end and inserting `inducted pursuant to the Universal National Service Act of 2003.'.

SEC. 12. DEFINITIONS.

In this Act:

(1) The term `military service' means service performed as a member of an active or reverse component of the uniformed services.

(2) The term `Secretary concerned' means the Secretary of Defense with respect to the Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marine Corps, the Secretary of Homeland Security with respect to the Coast Guard, the Secretary of Commerce, with respect to matters concerning the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, and the Secretary of Health and Human Services, with respect to matters concerning the Public Health Service.

(3) The term `United States', when used in a geographical sense, means the several States, the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, and Guam.

(4) The term `uniformed services' means the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, Coast Guard, commissioned corps of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, and commissioned corps of the Public Health Service.


60 posted on 11/20/2006 4:36:35 PM PST by Susannah (thank the troops -> www.letssaythanks.com)
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