Posted on 11/21/2006 10:10:33 AM PST by colorcountry
***It saddens me to see that your word means less to you. (For those just reading this, in order to attend the temple, you promise to God, Angels and Witnesses never to reveal what goes on in the temple. CC has just broken a most solemn vow. ****
What better proof does one need to decide if Mormons are Christan or not. Of all the Christian denomination churches I have visited there has NEVER been a "secret ceremony" or anything that a Christian must not reveal. All things are open in Christianity.
As Paul said in the Sacred Scriptures....
Act 26:26 For the king knoweth of these things, before whom also I speak freely: for I am persuaded that none of these things are hidden from him; for this thing was not done in a corner.
>>I cannot imagine Jesus being happy that anyone would lie for him.
>>Your biblical illiteracy slip is showing.
Really? Hmm and it’s not even cross dressing day.
>>Try reading about Rahab.
Been there, read that.
>>You know, the one from who a certain "Jesus" descended.
This, I did no know, reference?
>>The one who deliberately misled certain authorities
>>about the presence of spies in their land.
And then made a deal with the men of Israel to save her life and the lives of her family, yes, as I remember it she kept her word, or she would have been killed with the rest.
>>You cite the book of James all the time, so how could
>>you miss James & the book of Hebrews' commendation of
>>Rahab?
Read it, it does not contradict what I said for she kept her promises to the Lord, and the Men of Israel.
>>Go ahead. Tell us about how Jesus railed against Rahab.
Um, he didn’t unless my memory is faulty.
IIRC Rahab Hid the men of Israel, and said they were not there (yep, a lie) then went to the men and told them what they wanted to know and made a deal with them that Israel would not kill her and all that were in her house. The men of Israel agreed, on condition she not tell that they were there. She kept her word, the Israelites kept theirs. She did not “Lie for the Lord” she lied to save her skin, then made a deal with the Israelites and Kept her word with them. (Note that she was also a Harlot, which is to say not the most upstanding citizen of the day)
Jesus did not ask her to lie, James commended her for her works and keeping her word to the men of Israel
>>There are many more like me out here.
Oh CC really, I think you are special.
>>This will not be the end of a thorough examination of Mormonism as long as Romney
>>is in the spotlight. That probably gives Mormons a sense of sadness too.
As long as the spotlight is from above, we will not fear it.
>>You ought to be ashamed of yourelf, but that is too difficult a concept to grasp so you deride CC.
My Elf is not ashamed of my actions here on this thread on this forum. I am in fact happy that I have been able to use this much restraint. You either just got here, or you do not read very well.
>>Stop now before you reveal too much of the LDS cultish posture and do even more
>>harm to Romney's chances for nomination.
Huh? Maybe you did not notice what my actual position is here, so I’ll give you the Cliff notes version:
Mitt is not a conservative as far as I can tell. I would rather have him defeated on those valid grounds. I do cannot allow the scurrilous attacks on my faith to go unanswered even if it then looks like I have been defending Mitt; Actually quite the reverse is true. I keep trying to bring up hi record on health care, and Gay Rights, but all anyone here seems to wan to talk about is his underwear! Well it was inappropriate to ask Bill Clinton (thanks MTV), and it’s inappropriate to ask Mitt.
Nail him on political issues of substance, not religion /Rant off.
Except that Mormons don't drink or smoke, rendering an LDS candidate powerless against the Democrat "bribe get out the vote" machine.
In the meantime, we're going to find out how lovable Osama Obama is. Peacemaker....Intellectual...etc., etc., etc. He and Hillary will be the Dream Team. Gee, why even have an election---the press has already crowned them.
It is critical that Republicans look at who is electable. They need to move beyond If-He's-Not-a-"Real"-Republican-I'm-Not-Going-To-Vote. We'll have Clinton II and another insufferable increase in taxes. We're getting too old for this b.s. It's time Republicans woke up to electoral realities or they will be in the minority another forty years (or more, unless another Reagan is born in the interim).
>>What better proof does one need to decide if Mormons are Christan or not.
You guys slay me, I care not one whit for your opinion, but you are trying to mislead those who will read this to think that Mormons are not Christians, and that I care about.
>>Of all the Christian denomination churches I have visited there has NEVER been a
>>"secret ceremony" or anything that a Christian must not reveal. All things are open
>>in Christianity.
How about this: Mathew 7:5&6 ( http://scriptures.lds.org/en/matt/7/5-6#5 )
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.
6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
That which is taught in the Temple is most sacred above all else. To cast it before swine (yep that’s you, unless you hold a temple recommend) is precisely what is being talked about here.
>>Act 26:26 For the king knoweth of these things, before whom also I speak freely: for I
>>am persuaded that none of these things are hidden from him; for this thing was not
>>done in a corner.
The King, (God) knows exactly what goes on in temples, he set it up.
As for that, what exactly is the Doctrine of Transubstantiation? IF you don’t know, why not? Why haven’t the Catholics told you? (Show me a religion that does not have “Higher” knowledge in it somewhere and I’ll show you a religion you don’t know very well.)
Go with God and condemn none for their faith.
Did the naysayers get further polled as to why? Does John Q. Public tend to think that a Mormon is a Moonie?
6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
That which is taught in the Temple is most sacred above all else. To cast it before swine (yep that’s you, unless you hold a temple recommend) is precisely what is being talked about here.
Surely you don't believe that fellow Mormons (which do not have a temple recommend) and/or those you consider fellow christians ... are the swine that Jesus speaks of here ?
Most, if not all, of orthodox Christianity believes that Jesus is speaking here ... of those unbelievers which have demonstrated consistent disdain ... for the gospel of Jesus Christ.
And the truth is that there is no command (or allowance) from God ... that we hide any part ... of the gospel message ... from fellow Christians ... or those non-Christians which are willing to hear us.Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Check out the "individual mandate" portion of the bill. It mandates that every individual in the state purchase insurance. For low income persons above the federal poverty line (i.e. Medicaid eligible), they are required to buy insurance. The Commonwealth thru their new Health Care Connector bureaucracy will create subsidized insurance products, and based upons peoples incomes, will determine how much of a subsidy they will receive.
There is also a business mandate: all employers of 11 or more are REQUIRED to provide health insurance. If not, they are assessed.
If an individual does not buy coverage, they lose a tax exemption.
Romney will go out of his way to proclaim these penalties are not taxes.
***The King, (God) knows exactly what goes on in temples, he set it up.****
****As for that, what exactly is the Doctrine of Transubstantiation? IF you don’t know, why not? Why haven’t the Catholics told you? (Show me a religion that does not have “Higher” knowledge in it somewhere and I’ll show you a religion you don’t know very well.) ****
Hot dog! An insult right out of the chute!
You will find that I am not some bumpkin who just fell off the trunip truck!
First, Paul's statement shows your biblical ignorance. Did you even go to ACTS to read it before posting? Paul is not addressing GOD, he is addressing an earthly king, Agrippa and Festus.
Act 26:25 But he said, I am not mad, most noble Festus; but speak forth the words of truth and soberness.
Act 26:26 For the king knoweth of these things, before whom also I speak freely: for I am persuaded that none of these things are hidden from him; for this thing was not done in a corner.
Act 26:27 King Agrippa, believest thou the prophets? I know that thou believest.
Act 26:28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.
And as for Doctrine of Transubstantiation, Ask any Catholic or Lutheran and they can explain it or tune into EWTN some night to see it in action. It is NOT a hidden or secret doctrine. Dozens of books both pro and con address it. It is an open doctrine.
I know diffrent CHRISTIAN churches very well. They have NO hidden doctrine or teaching All is public knowledge. As for NON Christian assemblies, all have very secret doctrines. Have you ever read St. Augustine's CONFSSIONS and his time with the Manicheans?
Matthew 7:5&6 has nothing to do with secret doctrines.
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Anyone can throw around scriptures, he's a few more.
1 Corinthians 3:2
I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
2. Hebrews 5:12
For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
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