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Church Is Denied Waiver of Noise Restriction
Washington Post ^ | Friday, December 1, 2006 | Bill Turque

Posted on 12/01/2006 7:43:44 AM PST by sten

Fairfax County officials have issued a ringing non-endorsement of the bells at St. John Neumann's in Reston, ruling that they must toll within the limits of the county's noise ordinance or not at all.

The Board of Supervisors asked the zoning staff this year to see whether the law could be amended to accommodate the church, whose bells ring at a volume slightly higher than the 55-decibel maximum permitted in residential areas.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: District of Columbia; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: antichristianity; belltolls4thee; christmas; secularprogressives; sp
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If there is a separation of church and state (dare you to find that wording in the Constitution), how do they think their rules apply?

The Constitution says they government cannot endorse one religion over any other, which is not the same as no religion at all.

1 posted on 12/01/2006 7:43:45 AM PST by sten
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"The Constitution says they government cannot endorse one religion over any other, which is not the same as no religion at all."

It also says it can't 'prohibit the free exercise thereof' either.

This is government interference which if forbidden by the Constitution.

Of course that doesn't matter to the 'nanny' staters and people out to 'get the church'.


2 posted on 12/01/2006 7:47:06 AM PST by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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OK, but why CAN'T the church just turn the volume down a little? They aren't being asked to stop.


3 posted on 12/01/2006 7:50:17 AM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: Blueflag

One layer of duct tape around the clapper. It fixes everything. :)


4 posted on 12/01/2006 7:51:33 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: sten

I'm in favor of Church Bells, Muzzein, Harleys and Airplanes having the same local regulations regarding noise.


5 posted on 12/01/2006 7:53:43 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Crusades were indigenous peoples' counter-attacks against imperialist foreign Muslim invaders)
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To: Brad Cloven

If this were a muslim call to prayer, it would be a non-issue.


6 posted on 12/01/2006 7:57:39 AM PST by DonaldC
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To: Blueflag
OK, but why CAN'T the church just turn the volume down a little? They aren't being asked to stop.

I doubt if there is a volume switch on the bells.

7 posted on 12/01/2006 7:58:22 AM PST by Always Right
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To: Blueflag

I agree completely. There's a 55-decibel limit, and it applies to everyone (in residential areas of this town). The fact that it's a church making an audial nuisance of themselves is irrelevant. They could have solved this years ago by simply cranking down the volume to 55 decibels or less.


8 posted on 12/01/2006 7:58:33 AM PST by Gunut
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55 decibels at what distance from the bells?

I have lived places where the noises of the local high school football game (or college game) carried quite far.


9 posted on 12/01/2006 8:00:25 AM PST by Puddleglum
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To: sten

There is no separation of church and state in the constitution, but there sure is a "free exercise" clause, which, in my opinion, should be interpreted as broadly as the "establishment" clause (although I think the establishment clause is interpreted FAR too broadly).


10 posted on 12/01/2006 8:01:15 AM PST by NCLaw441
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This is government interference which if forbidden by the Constitution.

'Free Exercise' doesn't mean that a church can ignore the law.

11 posted on 12/01/2006 8:05:12 AM PST by cryptical (Wretched excess is just barely enough.)
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To: Puddleglum

Not having a copy of the law in front of me, I can only speculate that the noise level would be measured from a considerable distance (1000 feet, for instance). Otherwise, running a vacuum cleaner would be a violation.


12 posted on 12/01/2006 8:05:57 AM PST by Gunut
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To: Puddleglum

That was my question. Just how far away are the authorities when they measured the decibel level?


13 posted on 12/01/2006 8:06:20 AM PST by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: 1rudeboy

There's no clapper. It would be pretty if it were real bells; these are electronic bells.


14 posted on 12/01/2006 8:06:47 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: sten

Then there is Hamtrack MI, with loud noises coming from local religious establishments which call people to pray. No noise regulation there.


15 posted on 12/01/2006 8:08:37 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (double standard alert)
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To: linda_22003

Electronic bells should be illegal, regardless of decibel levels.


16 posted on 12/01/2006 8:09:44 AM PST by drb9
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged

No noise regulations in Hamtramck? Why do I get the feeling that you haven't bothered to check?


17 posted on 12/01/2006 8:10:47 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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""It's frustrating, because the sound is so much a part of our tradition," said the Rev. Thomas Murphy, the church's pastor."

Electronic bells weren't really part of my tradition.


18 posted on 12/01/2006 8:11:44 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: Blueflag

I'm also skeptical of the Church's claim that it wasn't possible to make the bells any quieter. I'm not an audio engineer, but surely it's possible to construct some sort of structure around the speakers that would muffle the bells by a further 5 decibels.


19 posted on 12/01/2006 8:12:20 AM PST by Gunut
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To: Gunut

If they are only off by 5db, nobody can tell without measuring equipment anyway. This is just Christian bashing.


20 posted on 12/01/2006 8:13:57 AM PST by DonaldC
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