How Jew-Friendly Persia Became Anti-Semitic Iran

Moment ^ | 12-4-06

[kabar]

Pole, everything you've written is spot on and kabar can't refute any of it, that is why he is resorting to the inane questioning. Poland hasn't taken on the role of the "indispensable nation" like that of the U.S. and certainly doesn't exert the global influence that we do.

BS. America has and does take the lead in futhering freedom and liberty around the globe. We have sacrificed treasure and blood in that endeavor freeing hundreds of millions from tyranny. What do you propose we do in Saudi Arabia to further the rights of Christians beyond what we are doing now?

The fact of the matter is America, Europe and every western nation has a stake in this and if America as some kind of "secular humanist" state has no stake in the plight of persecuted Christians in the rich oil tyrannies she trades with, then I say this is a country that is no longer worth dying for.

More BS. The US freed Afghanistan from the religious tyranny of the Taliban. I have no idea what "rich oil tyrannies" you are referring to, but the US has confronted governments that persecute not only Christians, but any religion. Give me some concrete actions you want us to take recognizing that actions have consequences.

Europe is becoming more and more a secularist humanist state. Regular church attendance is down oin Europe. 53% of Americans consider religion to be very important in their lives. This compares with 16% in Britain, 14% in France and 13% in Germany. The first draft of the new European Union Constitution did not include a single mention of God.

Is Europe the New ‘Dark Continent’? We don't need to be lectured by Europeans about Christianty and its protection.

[A. Pole]

OK, if you think that Saudis are too tough, what about pogroms on Christians in Kosovo?

[A. Pole]

What about pogroms in Kosovo?

[kabar]

Can't the Europeans handle that? Kosovo is in your backyard. The US had to come in and stop ethnic cleansing. Why are European defense expenditures declining?

[A. Pole]

Their is no state religion in the US. Since when did the US become the world's leader on protecting and improving the position of Christians around the globe?

No favoritism, huh? It seems that you are not alone with your attitude:

"One of the issues here is that the Christians don't create trouble, they are just victims," she said. "They don't blow up things, so they don't get attention.

Some have told her the U.S. government doesn't want to establish a precedent of favoritism, by responding to special pleadings.

(Iraqi Christians plead for help from White House)

[A. Pole]

The US had to come in and stop ethnic cleansing.

What ethnic cleansing? Of Serbs and Gypsies in Kosovo?

[kabar]

Bosnia.

[Silly]

The other parallel is that Germany, before Hitler, probably was the least anti-semitic country in all of Europe.

Is that like saying Yemen is the least-anti semitic country in all of the Middle East?

[kabar]

No favoritism, huh? It seems that you are not alone with your attitude:

People came from Europe to the US to escape religious persecution. Europe gave the world the Spanish Inquisition, the Holocaust, and godless Communism. The US has been the world's leading light in supporting religious tolerance. We don't need lectures from Europe about defending Christianity, which is dying in Europe and being replaced by Islam. Cultivate your own gardens first.

The Iraqi Constitution protects the exercise of religion in the country.

"The state guarantees freedom of worship and the protection of its places."

[A. Pole]

Bosnia.

In Bosnia the largest atrocity was the massacre and expulsion of hundreds thousands of Krajina Serbs.

[kabar]

In Bosnia the largest atrocity was the massacre and expulsion of hundreds thousands of Krajina Serbs.

Why did you Europeans stand by and let it happen?

[A. Pole]

Europe gave the world the Spanish Inquisition, the Holocaust, and godless Communism.

USA is a branch of European culture and was settled by people from England and in other parts from Germany and Spain as well. You cannot claim the fruits of the culture without taking responsibility for it.

[A. Pole]

Why did you Europeans stand by and let it happen?

Europeans together with Americans (and including Croats and Albanians ) were doing it, under NATO flag.

[kabar]

USA is a branch of European culture and was settled by people from England and in other parts from Germany and Spain as well. You cannot claim the fruits of the culture without taking responsibility for it.

That's silly. We built and improved upon the culture and certainly don't take responsibility for the Holocaust or Facism or Communism. The US was settled by many more people than just those from England, Spain, and Germany. We have the most diverse population in the world, including from Poland, e.g., Kosciuszko and Pulaski who were instrumental in getting our independence from England.

[A. Pole]

That's silly. We built and improved upon the culture and certainly don't take responsibility for the Holocaust or Facism or Communism.

Americans are not exceptional as they share the sinful nature of the rest of mankind.

Elements of USA culture were formed by Puritans who committed the first planned and possibly the only legal genocide on Irish Catholics. Native population of America was to large extent eradicated. Chattel style slavery was abolished the latest in Western world.

You cannot compare three thousand years of European history with two hundred years of USA. And USA is old as Europe - as de facto it is a part of Europe, you cannot understand America without her European past, America was not born fully formed like Athena from the head of Zeus.

[kabar]

Americans are not exceptional as they share the sinful nature of the rest of mankind.

In every thread, your underlying message is a deep and abiding hatred of America. American exceptionalism has transformed a continent and made this country the beacon of the world, not only because it is the most powerful and richest country, but because of our values and ability to create conditions where man can reach his full potential. America is not as much a country as it is an idea. Or has been said, "The greatest dream ever dreamed."

Elements of USA culture were formed by Puritans who committed the first planned and possibly the only legal genocide on Irish Catholics. Native population of America was to large extent eradicated. Chattel style slavery was abolished the latest in Western world.

We have overcome our European legacy of religious persecution and slavery. You have an incorrect and warped idea of our history. Puritan genocide??? You must have been schooled under the communist system, which put out such nonsense.

You cannot compare three thousand years of European history with two hundred years of USA. And USA is old as Europe - as de facto it is a part of Europe, you cannot understand America without her European past, America was not born fully formed like Athena from the head of Zeus.

America is the product of many cultures and influences. We have developed our own unique culture, history, and identity. There are significant differences between Europe today and the US. American achievements, inventions, wealth, etc. have surpassed what is now an aging, dying continent. Most of the countries in Europe are experiencing negative population growth. They are having difficulty in supporting overly generous social welfare systems with fewer and fewer workers. The energy and vitality of Europe have been sapped by two disastrous wars that killed over 70 million.

Europe is having a difficult time assimilating the third world immigrants who are overruning the continent. They are imposing their culture and religion on Europe and they are reproducing at a significantly higher rate than the natives. Europe is heading down the dark road to irrelevancy. It is becoming a museum populated by people living in the past and basking in past glories. The future no longer belongs to them. America is the last bastion of Western Civilization.

[A. Pole]

Americans are not exceptional as they share the sinful nature of the rest of mankind.

In every thread, your underlying message is a deep and abiding hatred of America. American exceptionalism

You are very wrong. If you love someone will you be telling him that he is perfect, sinless and above all humanity? No, you will do it either if you are stupid or if you hate him.

Americans have exactly the same nature as the rest of mankind. They are neither less sinful nor more. Both national and individual exceptionalism is a serious error. If not restrained it will lead to the fall.

Only God is good and perfect.

We have overcome our European legacy of religious persecution and slavery.

Europe did not? Where in Europe are slavery or persecution to be found today?

[OldCorps]

a very interesting article

[kabar]

Europe did not? Where in Europe are slavery or persecution to be found today?

Do you have a problem with comprehension? America was a colony. Slavery and religious persecution existed before American became an independent country. We did not invent slavery, we inherited it.

Religious persecution is alive and well in Kosovo and Northern Ireland, just to name two places in Europe where religion is the basis for strife. Muslims do not feel welcome in Europe and they have been responsible for many acts of viomence ranging from Malmo to Amsterdam to Paris to Berlin.