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Germany condemns Holocaust conference in Iran
Jerusalem Post ^ | 12-8-06 | Jpost.com

Posted on 12/08/2006 7:34:23 PM PST by pinkpanther111

ermany condemned a planned Iranian conference on the Holocaust and summoned Iran's charge d'affaires to the Foreign Ministry, saying Friday that attempts to question the Nazis' murder of Jews were "shocking and unacceptable."

The conference, scheduled for Sunday and Monday, was organized by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who has called the systematic killing of some 6 million Jews a "myth" and "exaggerated." Some 67 foreign researchers from 30 countries are scheduled to attend the two-day meeting.

"We condemn all past and future attempts of anyone who gives a platform to those who relativize or question the Holocaust," Foreign Ministry spokesman Jens Ploetner said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Germany; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: antisemitism; axisofevil; germany; holocaust; holocaustconference; iran; israel; shoah
This just amazes me. How can one deny the Holocaust with a straight face? Why is there no outrage in the press or anywhere for that matter?
1 posted on 12/08/2006 7:34:25 PM PST by pinkpanther111
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To: pinkpanther111

This is the man that the geniuses want us to negotiate/talk to about Iraq and its future? I struggle between the thought that we should talk to our enemy so we can control him better, and the thought that talking to an insane sociopath theocrat is futile.


2 posted on 12/08/2006 7:43:21 PM PST by aristotleman
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To: pinkpanther111

I'm not sure what you're talking about. That was a pretty forceful statement by the foreign minister of Germany, of all places.


3 posted on 12/08/2006 7:43:39 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
Yes, I agree.
I was referring to Iran, not Germany, I did not make that very clear in my previous post.
4 posted on 12/08/2006 7:46:05 PM PST by pinkpanther111 ( We can do this ..We must do this...Donald Rumsfeld)
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To: pinkpanther111

I don't get it either! If anyone would know a Holocaust went on....it would be the Germans.....LOL!


5 posted on 12/08/2006 7:49:04 PM PST by BossLady (Islamic Motto: We Love Our Women To Death........)
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To: pinkpanther111

I certainly concur that it's outrageous that Iran holds this view, and somehow has attracted idiots from 30 countries to attend. I wouldn't be surprised if the US sent an idiot (not from the government, of course).

I'd like to see a list of the idiots and the countries involved in this bit of revisionist thinking.


6 posted on 12/08/2006 7:50:18 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: BossLady

This would be funny and absurd, if it wasn't tragic. The german minister actually saying "..errrr...we...did kill all of those people you know..." and Ahmedingnigng saying "..oh no you didn't"

What is this world coming to
!!!!!


7 posted on 12/08/2006 7:59:05 PM PST by aristotleman
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To: pinkpanther111
Of course there is no outrage. The MSM and dimocrats hate Jews, but Jews just have not got it yet. The Surrender Group that just finished and put out their stupid report, BLAMED EVERYTHING ON ISAREL!!! The world has taken up the cry that it never happened. I am actually surprised Germany is actually saying something.

I spent 10 of my 20 years in the Army stationed in Germany. NEVER IN MY ENTIRE TIME THERE, did I ever, EVER, meet anyone who did not claim that Hitler and his "bunch of gangsters" as one landlord called them, was never a Nazi, did not know a Nazi, never met one, never saw one. So, apparently there actually never were any Nazi's in Germany. That must have been made up also.

Jews did not see it coming with Hitler. They are in this country and blind to it also. Some in Israel are now also. So, when Abduhla comes calling, they need not whine, because they as we can, could see that it was going to happen again, yet they, like dimocrats, turned a blind eye.

8 posted on 12/08/2006 8:04:40 PM PST by RetiredArmy (I don't march to other people's opinion of me or my beliefs. I march to my beliefs and heart.)
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To: pinkpanther111

Are Mel and his dad attending?


9 posted on 12/08/2006 8:13:05 PM PST by GeneralisimoFranciscoFranco
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To: GeneralisimoFranciscoFranco

Well as another poster said: I would love to see the list of idiots!


10 posted on 12/08/2006 8:14:58 PM PST by pinkpanther111 ( We can do this ..We must do this...Donald Rumsfeld)
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To: pinkpanther111

Instead of verbal platitudes, the Germans should be pledging some Panzer units to help eliminate the lunatic regime which runs Iran.


11 posted on 12/08/2006 8:16:51 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: aristotleman

[This is the man that the geniuses want us to negotiate/talk to about Iraq and its future? I struggle between the thought that we should talk to our enemy so we can control him better, and the thought that talking to an insane sociopath theocrat is futile.]

Let's not forget that James Baker is an anti-Semite who blames the problems on the middle east on Israel. He thinks that if Israel would only give up their uppity stance of keeping the Golan Heights, a strategic point from which Syria and Palestine could launch massive rocket attacks on Israel in relative safety, to themselves, that all of the middle east problems would magically dissappear. So, it's not surprising that Mr. Baker would wish to confere with Iran and aks for their help in 'stabalizing' (translation= anihilating Israel) the middle east and Iraq. http://sacredscoop.com


12 posted on 12/08/2006 8:24:58 PM PST by CottShop
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Im sure that sometime in the future there will be those who deny that the entire World turned on the Muslims and eradicated them.
13 posted on 12/08/2006 8:25:43 PM PST by wodinoneeye
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To: CottShop

No one seems to understand what a sociopath is running Iran. If they did, we wouldn't be debating Iraq, we'd be figuring out a way to get this guy out of Tehran and into Guantanamo ASAP. Israel is in grave danger, and the world just wants more concessions, and wants us to talk to this monster.

Having said that, we cannot possibly invade Iran, and we shouldn't.


14 posted on 12/08/2006 8:33:52 PM PST by aristotleman
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To: pinkpanther111

Munich was hoping to get picked instead.


15 posted on 12/08/2006 8:51:08 PM PST by dr_who_2
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To: pinkpanther111
"Germany condemns Holocaust conference in Iran" Ill bet this headline made Moohmound Ahmadinejad do a double take.

"Why do my Jew hating German comrads defy me? "

Better change the menu of your meeting, Moohmound Ahmadinejad, Table it as "is Islam really a religon?" See if your "intellectuals" can figure that out.

16 posted on 12/08/2006 9:03:51 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: RetiredArmy

It's just mind boggling, isn't it?

F-ing unbelievable.


17 posted on 12/08/2006 9:08:13 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: RetiredArmy

["Jews did not see it coming with Hitler."]

So explain to me why Albert Einstein left Germany for the US in 1933 and Sigmund Freud left Austria in 1938 for England?...["if they didn't see it."]...so what am I missing?


18 posted on 12/08/2006 10:34:31 PM PST by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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To: pinkpanther111
"We condemn all past and future attempts of anyone who gives a platform to those who relativize or question the Holocaust," Foreign Ministry spokesman Jens said

The statement is not valid on two levels.

Before stating my objection to the statement let me make clear that I'm not denigrating the horrors of the Holocaust nor am I oblivious to the evil motives of the Iranians in conducting this seminar.

The first level has to do with the misdirection in the statement, the Germans do not just condemn anyone who provides a platform to Holocaust deniers, they actually jail Holocaust deniers. Under our Anglo-Saxon tradition (now sadly abandoned in Britain) there can be no place for the government to censor political ideas merely because they are repugnant if they do not otherwise constitute a clear and present danger. As heinous as the 1939-1945 Holocaust was, our understandable reaction to its hideousness does not warrant sacrificing our individual liberties to potentially dangerous governments to memorialize it or to emotionally expiate our own passive sins.

On the second level, the Foreign Ministry spokesman broadens the already dangerous government power which Political Correctness has unwisely invested in the government in the reaction to the horrors of the Holocaust. He equates questioning the Holocaust with denying the Holocaust. That's bad enough, but then he goes on to equate "relativize (ing)" with questioning the Holocaust. This is an extremely dangerous power to invest in a government which in the context of modern-day Germany where to deny the Holocaust is a crime, because it is only a small step to jailing those who draw historical parallels with other holocausts.

Should be a crime to argue that the murders of Mao Tse-tung before and during the Cultural Revolution are worse because they greatly exceeded in number those killed by Hitler's regime? Should be a crime to argue that the Turkish genocide against the Armenians was as least as wicked in intent as Hitler's murder of the Jews because it was aimed at a racial and religious class? Should be a crime to deplore Stalin's mass murder of the Ukrainian Kulaks which probably succeeded in number the Jews murdered by Hitler? Should it be a crime to express the view that the abortion of 40 million babies in America alone constitutes a greater crime than the extermination of 6 million Jews?

In today's PC World is necessary to finish this post with the same disclaimer with which it began:

Before stating my objection to the statement let me make clear that I'm not denigrating the horrors of the Holocaust nor am I oblivious to the evil motives of the Iranians in conducting this seminar.


19 posted on 12/09/2006 2:22:48 AM PST by nathanbedford ("I like to legislate. I feel I've done a lot of good." Sen. Robert Byrd)
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To: pinkpanther111
This just amazes me. How can one deny the Holocaust with a straight face? Why is there no outrage in the press or anywhere for that matter?
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The action lines for the Drive-by Media are:

1) The United States is evil.

2) The United States Military is evil.

3) The Republicans are evil.

Does this story advance any of those action lines? No. Therefore this is not newsworthy.

If it ever comes to the attention of the Drive-by Media that this story can advance one or more of the action lines, this story will become newsworthy. Then there will be Drive-by Media coverage.

Until then, they don't care.
20 posted on 12/09/2006 2:46:06 AM PST by Cheburashka (World's only Spatula City certified spatula repair and maintenance specialist!!!)
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To: Dog Gone
I'd like to see a list of the idiots and the countries involved in this bit of revisionist thinking.

I bet you will see at least some representatives of leftist, "progressive" and "peace" movements. They will gladly whitewash the genocide and war committed by the Nazis if it will help the cause of the new fascists (Islamofascists) just because the Islamofascists are against the West. Nazi lies, communist lies, Islamist lies -- it is all good to them because it is against the West.

21 posted on 12/09/2006 3:00:56 AM PST by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: LjubivojeRadosavljevic

A few maybe, but not the mass, otherwise, why did 6 million die in camps?


22 posted on 12/09/2006 6:33:35 PM PST by RetiredArmy (I don't march to other people's opinion of me or my beliefs. I march to my beliefs and heart.)
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To: RetiredArmy

["otherwise, why did 6 million die in camps?"]

Because most didn't have the wherewithal to get out. They knew.


23 posted on 12/09/2006 10:02:37 PM PST by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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To: RetiredArmy
I spent 10 of my 20 years in the Army stationed in Germany. NEVER IN MY ENTIRE TIME THERE, did I ever, EVER, meet anyone who did not claim that Hitler and his "bunch of gangsters" as one landlord called them, was never a Nazi, did not know a Nazi, never met one, never saw one. So, apparently there actually never were any Nazi's in Germany. That must have been made up also.

That is indeed funny. I am living in Germany and I know many former nazis. The thing is that most of them (some of course did not) changed their point of view over the times due to more information about the issue and -this must also be said- were never involved actively into the Holocaust. The only crime they committed was that they said nothing when the German jews were "resettled" into the east (only some very few Germans knew what was really going on). My own family got the first realistic informations about the brutality of the concentration camps in late 1944. In the first moment they rejected it as "Graeuelpropaganda" (gruel propaganda) just like American families today tend to reject news on violent GIs for -sometimes- good reasons.

Things more complicated as you may think. Between black and white there is a broad grey.

24 posted on 12/11/2006 7:15:26 PM PST by Atlantic Bridge (De omnibus dubitandum.)
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To: Atlantic Bridge

You live in Germany and/OR appear to be German, thus you would have more closely related friendships with those types. I repeat, that I have never met any German who confessed to be or even knew any Nazi's. There was always SOME EXCUSE as a reason that they did not know. They were afraid to talk, they were afraid of this or that. That might have been true, but I sometimes thought that they were lying to keep from being known as former Nazi's.


25 posted on 12/12/2006 5:53:52 AM PST by RetiredArmy (I don't march to other people's opinion of me or my beliefs. I march to my beliefs and heart.)
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To: RetiredArmy
Well - I come from a quite interesting German family. My grandfather was a officer of the German airforce, the Luftwaffe in WWII. Being a professional pilot since 1934 he belonged to the more experienced members of the air arm of the Wehrmacht. During 1933 to 1939 he was convinced about Hitler and the German leadership of that time, since the administrations of the Weimar republic had a quite incompetent policy. He rejected the beginning of WWII because the German Wehmacht was not ready for it in 1939 and he saw no reason in conquering foreign countries. Furthermore from his point of view the progroms against the Jews made no sense either although he had the typical prejudices of Germans who lived in that time. You could compare that best with the prejudice that many Americans have against Mexican immigrants today. Not very likeable (because the "jews suck money" as bankers I write that in quotation marks - do not get me wrong) but nobody you would do any real harm. Until 1944 he served as a flight instructor for young German pilots. Between 1944 and 1945 he was used against the allied bombers with some success. Quite a few Americans lost their lives because of him. As I already said, my family got the first reliable information about the Holocaust in late 1944. Before this information they believed that the Jews were resetteled in eastern Europe.

When the whole truth came out after the war, my granddad and most of his comrades were of course deeply disappointed that their sacrifice for Germany and the blood of their death comrades was misused for such a crime. Therefore they were usually no nazis after 1945 anymore. Of course there are some left in our society. Nevertheless in the meantime all of them are dying out. I.e. the granddad I was talking about is still living but in his 90ties. A great old man I am proud of. The "new" German nazis are usually only crazy people or kids who want to shock their parents. Nothing substantical or dangerous anymore.

My other granddad was a extremely skilled technician who never saw the front, although he was of course also used by the Luftwaffe to run some technical things (radar) in Germany. Being a convinced Christian he never was very attracted by the nazis and their military attitude. Furthermore he understood the Jews as the chosen people because of the bible and therefore he saw no reason to do them any harm.

After the war in the late 50ties my aunt married a American Jew from New York whose European family (44 people) was killed and annihilated by the SS in Minsk. Therefore my cousins are jewish although they have a real former nazi as their granddad. A part of my jewish family lives nowadays in Tel Aviv and still in New York.

Believe it or not - we all love each other and have a great relationship.

You see - nothing is really static and people change over the times. There are enough nazis left to meet them if you really search for them. Just watch the new Borat film that was made in the US.

;-)

26 posted on 12/12/2006 8:45:28 PM PST by Atlantic Bridge (De omnibus dubitandum.)
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To: Atlantic Bridge

Thanks for your story. However, I am not, and will not, view BORE-rat film. It is a BORE in my opinion from what I have seen in clips from TV.


27 posted on 12/13/2006 6:01:42 AM PST by RetiredArmy (I don't march to other people's opinion of me or my beliefs. I march to my beliefs and heart.)
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