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U.S.-Mexico Pact Revealed: Billions to Non-citizens
Newsmax ^ | January 5, 2007 | Dave Eberhart

Posted on 01/05/2007 10:42:16 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

WASHINGTON -- As a result of lawsuits, the U.S. government released this week the actual U.S.-Mexico Social Security Totalization Agreement, an understanding signed between the Bush administration and the Mexican government in 2004 that would funnel billions of U.S. Social Security funds to Mexican citizens.

TREA Senior Citizens League, a Washington-based nonpartisan seniors group, announced this week that after Freedom of Information Act lawsuits it filed against the government, it had received the secret agreement document.

Brad Phillips, a spokesperson for TREA, told NewsMax that the language in the agreement "raises more questions than it answers — such as what is the cost and who is going to pay."

The Government Accountability Office (GAO) has already warned that as a result of this agreement, the number of unauthorized Mexican workers and family members eligible for social security benefits will likely increase.

The Dreaded Loophole

TREA and other watchdog groups were hopeful that the agreement would directly address, and perhaps even moot, the hot-button issue of illegal immigrants at some point claiming U.S. Social Security benefits.

"A law called the Social Security Protection Act of 2004 forbids illegal immigrants from claiming Social Security benefits — but a loophole exists," Phillips explained.

"If an immigrant gains what's called a valid ‘work-authorized' Social Security number at some point, then he or she could eventually file a claim for benefits. The government would use all earnings to calculate the retirement benefit — even earnings while working illegally," Phillips added.

The U.S. commissioner of Social Security signed the agreement with the director general of the Mexican Social Security Institute on June 29, 2004. TREA has fought to make it public for over three and a half years, according to a press release from the organization.

In the meantime, the agreement has been slowly making its way through mandated reviews by the State Department and the White House. Once the White House submits it to Congress, lawmakers will have 60 legislative days to review it.

Either chamber may vote to pass a Resolution of Disapproval of the agreement — or it will take effect automatically at the end of the 60-day period. Furthermore, the Mexican Senate must affirmatively approve the totalization agreement.

In general, Totalization Agreements are between the United States and other countries to coordinate their respective social security programs. For instance, such agreements typically work to eliminate the need to pay social security taxes in both countries — when companies in one country send workers to the other country. Also they are crafted to protect benefit eligibility for workers who split their working careers between the two countries.

According to TREA, if an illegal worker working in the United States today gets a "work authorized" Social Security number — through guest-worker immigration legislation, the Totalization Agreement, or perhaps just over time — that worker could eventually apply for Social Security benefits once the worker has met eligibility requirements.

Unfair Advantage

For example, say TREA officials, a worker who turns 62 after 1990 generally needs 40 calendar quarters of coverage to receive retirement benefits. Under Totalization Agreements, workers are allowed to combine earnings from both countries in order to qualify for benefits.

The agreement with Mexico, like other Totalization Agreements, would allow workers to qualify with just six quarters, or 18 months, of U.S. coverage.

In addition, advised TREA, that worker could be able to claim credits for work performed while in the United States illegally. The SSA maintains an "earnings suspense file," which tracks wages that cannot be posted to individual workers' records because there is no match for a name and Social Security number.

Once an immigrant gains access to a work authorized Social Security number — whether a legal citizen or not — wages earned while in the United States unlawfully could be reinstated to the worker's new Social Security account, warned TREA officers.

Such writing-on-the-wall concerns are not just being sounded by TREA, however.

Warnings by the GAO

In a recent special report to Congress, the GAO voiced a number of issues latent in the agreement:

Playing by the Rules

"The Social Security Administration itself warns that Social Security is within decades of bankruptcy — yet, they seem to have no problem making agreements that hasten its demise," said Ralph McCutchen, chairman of TREA.

"Our 1.2 million elderly members didn't play by the rules and sacrifice through difficult times so we could fund millions of workers who crossed the border and decided to work here illegally," McCutchen added.

TREA officers also warn that Mexico's retirement system is radically different than that of other participating countries.

For example, only 40 percent of non-government workers participate in Mexico's system, whereas 96 percent of America's non-government workers do. In addition, the U.S. system is progressive, meaning lower wage earners get back much more than they put in; in Mexico, workers get back only what they put in, plus accrued interest.

Uncovering the Ugly Truth

"I applaud the persistent efforts of TREA Senior Citizens League to try to get documents from the U.S. government about the U.S.-Mexico Social Security Totalization Agreement," said Rep. Walter Jones, R-N.C. "The American people are finally beginning to get some of the information regarding this Agreement that they have been seeking for so long."

According to the Social Security Administration, the Social Security Trust Fund will begin paying out more than it is taking in by 2017, and will be exhausted by the year 2040.

Phillips noted that [before the emergence of the agreement] "the Administration always called it ludicrous to suggest that illegal immigrants could get their hands on our Social Security."

"We not hearing that anymore," Phillips lamented.

© NewsMax 2007. All rights reserved.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; bushamnesty; gummintgiveaways; illegalaliens; illegals; immigrantlist; invasionusa; mexico; otherpeoplesmoney; socialsecurity; spendingspree; totalization; unitedstates; usa
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To: LilyBean

"The bushbots should be along any time now to tell us all how we are misreading this. That this is a good thing. And that King George can do no wrong."

This is a good thing. King George can do no wrong.

Then again, if Bush is so wrong on this, Pelosi wouldn't be speaker now would she? We get what we pay for.


61 posted on 01/05/2007 1:47:05 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz ("Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted." Lenin)
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To: devolve

You are always well informed on the facts, I certainly won't argue with anything you say.


62 posted on 01/05/2007 1:47:18 PM PST by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: devolve
I still cannot believe the fantasies of some that Jeb Bush could become President -

BTTT

I think the one the Bush family is holding in "reserve" is George P. Bush, Jeb's son. The Mexicans will surely vote for him, even though his name is Bush. He gives speeches in Spanish, both in the U.S. and in Mexico. I VOTE NO!!!

63 posted on 01/05/2007 2:42:46 PM PST by janetgreen (NO AMNESTY EVER AGAIN!!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
"If an immigrant gains what's called a valid ‘work-authorized' Social Security number at some point, then he or she could eventually file a claim for benefits. The government would use all earnings to calculate the retirement benefit — even earnings while working illegally," Phillips added.

The New Sooners:

"Earning" benefits sooner than they are legally supposed to.

65 posted on 01/05/2007 4:36:56 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

No need to be upset about this. Our economy will recoup the money as the Mexican citizens buy our goods through the free trade agreement of NAFTA. /sarc


66 posted on 01/05/2007 5:55:14 PM PST by chit*chat
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; Jhoffa_; FITZ; arete; FreedomPoster; ...
TREA Senior Citizens League, a Washington-based nonpartisan seniors group, announced this week that after Freedom of Information Act lawsuits it filed against the government, it had received the secret agreement document.
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The Government Accountability Office (GAO) has already warned that as a result of this agreement, the number of unauthorized Mexican workers and family members eligible for social security benefits will likely increase.
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For example, say TREA officials, a worker who turns 62 after 1990 generally needs 40 calendar quarters of coverage to receive retirement benefits. Under Totalization Agreements, workers are allowed to combine earnings from both countries in order to qualify for benefits.

The agreement with Mexico, like other Totalization Agreements, would allow workers to qualify with just six quarters, or 18 months, of U.S. coverage.

In addition, advised TREA, that worker could be able to claim credits for work performed while in the United States illegally.

Amazing.

67 posted on 01/05/2007 6:41:52 PM PST by A. Pole (" There is no other god but Free Market, and Adam Smith is his prophet ! Bazaar Akbar! ")
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
According to the Social Security Administration, the Social Security Trust Fund will begin paying out more than it is taking in by 2017, and will be exhausted by the year 2040.

Why doesn't anyone challenge this? The Social Security Trust Fund is fiction. Once SS pays out more than it takes in, Taxes will have to rise. Of course, just run a larger deficit and inflate out of it, will probably occur.

68 posted on 01/05/2007 7:07:57 PM PST by Malsua
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
EVery day I encounter LEGAL immigrants who did not pay into Social Security who receive benefits which to me is unbelieveably outrageous. There are no words to describe the injustice and stupidity of paying SS beneifts to illegals even though some may have paid into the system.

Frankly, it pays to be an illegal and I see no ending to the problem in sight.

69 posted on 01/05/2007 7:48:51 PM PST by TAdams8591
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To: razorback-bert
Does this mean I can collect Mexician SS too?

Funny how it doesn't quite seem to work like that... Mexico has laws that I think that everyone here would think are perfectly reasonable regarding "illegal immigration," although the way they enforce the laws are more than a little "harsh." Mexico has very strict laws as to what rights foreigners have while in Mexico... And if you're an illegal alien, you'll be lucky to survive... Although it seems that as long as your final destination is the US, Mexico is willing to help the central and south american illegals get into the US.

I've been an advocate of allowing our "partners" to set our laws... What they deem good for themselves should be just as good when we use those laws for outselves. For example, we use the same restrictions on our southern border that Mexico has on its own souther border. And our immigration laws should be similar to those of Mexico. And so on...

If foreign governments want to engage us in "free trade," they need to understand that "free trade" works both ways.

Mark

70 posted on 01/05/2007 8:15:47 PM PST by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: A. Pole

It's nothing less than appalling. Border security is Bush's most overwhelming failure.


71 posted on 01/05/2007 9:31:53 PM PST by Clintonfatigued ("Appointing Earl Warren was the biggest damn fool thing I ever did." Dwight D. Eisenhower)
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To: unkus
It is a wonder that the United States has lasted this long.

Well, actually...it hasn't.  We simply live in what's left of the United States after it's invasion from the south and attacks on all political fronts by liberals. 

The United States we knew ended in the 60's.  It's simply taken this long for the hippies to reach the political power to complete the total destruction of the American way of life.

72 posted on 01/06/2007 4:05:59 AM PST by DH (The government writes no bill that does not line the pockets of special interests.)
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To: gubamyster; A. Pole; HiJinx

More bad news


73 posted on 01/06/2007 6:09:21 AM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: Phantom Lord
Anybody care to guess?

No need to guess, its right here.

Google is indeed a powerful search engine.

For the record, I believe the succession...almost a continuous stream... of conservative betrayals by the Administration [from CNOOCP's attempted buyout of UNOCAL, the abortive Harriet Meiers appointment to the Supreme Court, the UAE/DPW Ports Imbroglio, and then the in-the-nation's-face insults over Illegal Aliens, and a brazen intention to grant Amnesty...and straightfacedly call it something else...and then outright lying to cover for China's economic and national security predations...] appear to have triggered a reevaluation.

No need to dwell on it.

He definitely had it right the first time. His old man definitely is an unregenerate Panda-Hugger, and...if he is to be believed...he can't conceive that the Chi-Comms aren't our friends. And the Goldman-Sachs teams that W has hired faithfully reflect the identical special interest or worse mindset.

74 posted on 01/06/2007 1:47:38 PM PST by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: Clintonfatigued
"It's nothing less than appalling. Border security is Bush's most overwhelming failure."

Not to be picky, but the word 'failure' implies unwanted consequences. This invasion and the resulting permanent Democrat majority is exactly what TPTB wanted all along.

75 posted on 01/06/2007 2:02:14 PM PST by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Sure. Bring 'em all into the system.

Soon it'll be an "upgrade" to move to Mexico and leave the "barrio" that was once the U.S.

76 posted on 01/07/2007 1:35:17 PM PST by FixitGuy
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Su dinero es mi dinero. Gracias, estúpidas.


77 posted on 01/07/2007 1:40:24 PM PST by Pelham (Jobs Americans Won't Do)
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