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The Tale of the Invisible Seven-Hundred-Mile Fence
self | 6 January, 2007 | joanie-f

Posted on 01/06/2007 8:31:55 AM PST by joanie-f

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To: EveningStar

Thanks for the ping.

As I have said before it is like the 1930s in Europe.
It is in front of our face but many don't or won't see.
For those open border folks in their safe enclaves who don't have or want a clue, it is coming your way soon if there is amnesty and no Border control
And yes, I am a Bush supporter, not one of the third party wackOs


101 posted on 01/06/2007 2:16:59 PM PST by SoCalPol (We Need A Border Fence Now)
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To: archy

Bump. Apt beyond all other words...


102 posted on 01/06/2007 2:19:12 PM PST by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: ckilmer
Amazingly, as private oil companies around the world raked in record profits last year, Pemex lost $3.75 billion. Why? The chief reason is that the Mexican government loots the company to finance itself. Only a state-owned oil company can lose money when oil prices have been this high.

Agreed.

103 posted on 01/06/2007 2:23:42 PM PST by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: zeugma
Is it too soon to start shooting the bastards?

That is up to each individual to decide. Gaging things from a "Founding Father" perspective... things would already be at the "1 if by land, 2 if by sea" stage.

Furball starts though, I think a lot of people will choose up sides in a hurry.

104 posted on 01/06/2007 2:35:54 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: Dead Corpse; archy

You guys need to watch what you're posting. This is a public forum.


105 posted on 01/06/2007 2:50:03 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: SoCalPol

IIRC, you have first hand experience with the negative effects of illegal immigration. Or am I mixing you up with someone else?


106 posted on 01/06/2007 2:57:20 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

You are correct. I am in San Diego and around 20 miles north of the major border.


107 posted on 01/06/2007 3:07:29 PM PST by SoCalPol (We Need A Border Fence Now)
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To: EveningStar
This is a public forum. An analog to the Founder public tap rooms and meeting halls the British tried to shut down. No one is advocating any criminal action. Relax. We know the rules.

As for the walls having ears, who cares. Let them know.

108 posted on 01/06/2007 3:12:30 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: Dead Corpse
No one is advocating any criminal action.

I take you at your word, but others might have a different interpretation.

109 posted on 01/06/2007 3:20:44 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: jpsb
hey put me on your ping list

Will do. Thanks for the kind words.

110 posted on 01/06/2007 4:11:30 PM PST by joanie-f (If you believe that God is your co-pilot, it might be time to switch seats ...)
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To: joanie-f
He also reminded Mr. Chertoff that he is required within 60 days of the bill's passage to submit to the House Appropriations Committee "an expenditure plan for establishing a security barrier along the border of the United States."

This was written October 11. Anyone know whether Chertoff has submitted his "plan?"

111 posted on 01/06/2007 4:13:22 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: archy
Your Churchill quote is chilling – especially:

Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen: all know how to die. But the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.

If any western politician or statesman uttered those powerful, courageous words today, he would be excoriated not only by Jihadists and fatwa-happy muftis, but by the majority in political, media and academic ‘leadership’ in America.

The modern version of ‘tolerance’ is the enemy of freedom, courage and truth.

Thanks for your eloquent and informative contributions to this thread.

~ joanie
Allegiance and Duty Betrayed

112 posted on 01/06/2007 4:35:49 PM PST by joanie-f (If you believe that God is your co-pilot, it might be time to switch seats ...)
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To: archy
We have Nicaragua, soon we will have El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Costa Rica, and Mexico. One day, tomorrow or five years or fifteen years from now, we're going to take 5 to 10 million Mexicans and they are going into Dallas, into El Paso, into Houston, into New Mexico, into San Diego, and each one will have embedded in his mind the idea of killing ten Americans."

--Thomas Borge, Nicaraguan Interior Minister, as quoted in the Washington Times, March 27, 1985

Bears (constant) repeating. And anyone who doesn't believe in the 'clairvoyance' of the infamous Sandinista simply hasn't been paying attention, or has been living in a cave for the past twenty-five years.

113 posted on 01/06/2007 4:46:54 PM PST by joanie-f (If you believe that God is your co-pilot, it might be time to switch seats ...)
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To: ckilmer
Many thanks for the excellent links! On occasion, I have searched high and low for such evidence, and have only been able to come up with a handful of specifics (even though I know the examples are countless).

You have now saved me any such future agony. Much appreciated!

~ joanie
Allegiance and Duty Betrayed

114 posted on 01/06/2007 4:51:09 PM PST by joanie-f (If you believe that God is your co-pilot, it might be time to switch seats ...)
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To: B4Ranch
While you are at it, please explain why our President appears more interested in preserving the Mexican culture than he is the American culture.
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We are now one of the largest Spanish-speaking nations in the world. We're a major source of Latin music, journalism and culture.

Just go to Miami, or San Antonio, Los Angeles, Chicago or West New York, New Jersey ... and close your eyes and listen. You could just as easily be in Santo Domingo or Santiago, or San Miguel de Allende.

For years our nation has debated this change -- some have praised it and others have resented it. By nominating me, my party has made a choice to welcome the new America.

… George Bush, from a campaign speech in Miami, August 2000

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Pandering at its ugliest. Apparently George Bush’s America bears no resemblance to Teddy Roosevelt’s.

A President with divided allegiance is a danger to his people.

~ joanie
Allegiance and Duty Betrayed

115 posted on 01/06/2007 5:02:27 PM PST by joanie-f (If you believe that God is your co-pilot, it might be time to switch seats ...)
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To: EveningStar

Thanks for the kind words, and the ping, ES.


116 posted on 01/06/2007 5:03:19 PM PST by joanie-f (If you believe that God is your co-pilot, it might be time to switch seats ...)
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To: joanie-f; 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...
OK. So I am having a major problem. Call it resonance.

Right now, all the sound and fury over illegal immigration signifies exactly nothing because the damage has been done. The idea of an America with an European-American majority, with well-defined minorities, of the 1960's is over. The fact that we based our national identity upon it is just too damned bad.

Like it or not, we are well on our way to a Latino-American population of well over 100Million. Since 1965. thanks to legal, and of course massive illegal immigration, the fundamental American ethnography has changed.

Changing that fact, whether I or you like it or not, IMHO is never going to happen. There is an inexhaustible supply of people to the south of our hemisphere who want in to our northern part of the hemisphere, and we have demonstrated neither the will nor the ability to stop them. Indeed, were I living there in poverty, I would interpret this country's actual actions as encouragement for me to move.

Of course we need a strong, well-defined and well-guarded border, for many reasons. But if we did that tonight, it still would not change the demographic facts of life.

The challenge is to control our borders, No. 1. Number 2 is to figure out how to handle the ethnic shift that has already occurred and seems never to be undone. The children of illegal aliens are citizens. No one is stepping up to change that law, so it looks as if we are stuck with it. There will never be mass deportation. There will probably be mild sporadically enforced employer sanctions.

Of course Tom Tancredo is right. So what? What can he, or more importantly, we do about it? That's the question, and so far I haven't seen any answers ... even on the far distant horizon. The fact that everyone is talking about it, and 80% claim to be upset by illegal immigration, is interesting ... but is certainly not leading to anything but false "immigration reform," which if you are old enough, you will recall is how this mess got started.

Oprime numero dos para inglés.

117 posted on 01/06/2007 5:07:29 PM PST by Kenny Bunk ( Republicans could use an attack dog right about now.)
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To: archy
Your scenario is really quite feasible, and I suspect wouldn’t be very difficult to put into place, despite the countless monstrous bureaucratic roadblocks that would be attempted.

In the presence the unprecedented threat to our very existence that a continued open border represents, the small-print legalisms that would be invoked by vocal and powerful opponents to such a plan would have to be unceremoniously squelched (a highly uncharacteristic state of affairs in America 2007, where taking the bull by the horns has become a lost art). Nitpicking political Pharisees, incorrectly screaming about violations of the Posse Comitatus Act, would be rampant.

Yet, as Tom Tancredo has said repeatedly, we have the personnel and the resources to get this done in a relative heartbeat. All it will take is the will. And, to be honest, I don’t believe our ‘leadership’ has it, and I have serious doubts about the citizenry as well.

~ joanie
Allegiance and Duty Betrayed

118 posted on 01/06/2007 6:52:09 PM PST by joanie-f (If you believe that God is your co-pilot, it might be time to switch seats ...)
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To: Basheva
There's not a word of your response with which I disagree. Your disgust with the republican 'leadership' of the past twelve years is shared by every genuine conservative.

Thanks for your insightful input!

~ joanie
Allegiance and Duty Betrayed

119 posted on 01/06/2007 6:55:27 PM PST by joanie-f (If you believe that God is your co-pilot, it might be time to switch seats ...)
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To: Thombo2
Not long ago i had a conversation with a co-worker(recent graduate of USF).The conversation turned to politics/social issues.I asked him what he thought about the problem of illegal immigration.He looked at me with a straight face and asked "what problem?".This supposedly intelligent(?)and educated young man was totaly clueless.I'm afraid most Americans fit in that catagory.

It’s hard to comprehend how, during such perilous times, most Americans continue to practice their voluntary apathy and ignorance.

My husband and I know quite a few good people in our area, and are warmed by their friendship. We consider ourselves deeply blessed in that regard.

With that said, I believe that two, possibly three, people I know (friends included) have a clue about what is going on in this sorry world. All of the rest of these good people know only what the ‘powers that be’ want them to know.

That used to trouble me. It no longer does. I have chosen to enjoy the friendship and acquaintance-ship of those whose paths cross mine on a regular basis, sweep in front of my own door, keep my S&Ws clean and in working order, talk to anyone who is interested in knowing whatever I may know about what lies ahead, and simply hunker down for the disaster-to-come.

One cannot force-feed information to those who aren’t even aware that they are hungry.

~ joanie
Allegiance and Duty Betrayed

120 posted on 01/06/2007 7:08:05 PM PST by joanie-f (If you believe that God is your co-pilot, it might be time to switch seats ...)
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To: Brad's Gramma
Thanks for the kind words, B'sG.

Looking forward to your take.

~ joanie

121 posted on 01/06/2007 7:09:10 PM PST by joanie-f (If you believe that God is your co-pilot, it might be time to switch seats ...)
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To: Kenny Bunk

You are correct. Nothing will be done untill America has civil warII. Thats when Old America will have to take up arms to defend itself from the destructive policies of the parasites and predators who call themselves public servants in DC.


122 posted on 01/06/2007 7:40:45 PM PST by winodog
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To: HiJinx; joanie-f

Excellent post....thanks!


123 posted on 01/06/2007 8:06:47 PM PST by TheLion (How about "Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement," for a change)
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To: joanie-f
Wow joanie; another thoughtful and excellent piece of writing. Would that I could add something to the debate, but having read through the whole thread, there just aren't any significant points that have been missed IMO.

One question comes to mind re the potential for middle eastern types crossing the southern border. That is, notwithstanding the dominance of the Catholic Church in Mexico, just as Islam has been recruiting in the cesspools of America, is it not likely the same is also true of Mexico? A converted Mexican national would fit right in with his "brothers" in America. La Reconquista on steroids???

124 posted on 01/06/2007 8:34:20 PM PST by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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To: joanie-f
Good rant I would say... Thanks for the effort..

One other thing.....
A portion of multi millions of Legal and Illegal Aliens VOTING..
Very probably skewed many of the 2006 elections..
And with literally nothing being done about that..
2008 will no doubt be even more skewed..

Strange that this FACT is not faced even here at FreeRepublic..
Its quite easy to get registered to VOTE by illegal and even legal aliens in most places..

125 posted on 01/06/2007 8:44:42 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole)
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To: joanie-f
Forgive the double-post...

You are forgiven. (It was worth repeating, imo.)

These characters are sworn to uphold the Constitution, and manage to renege on the ..."provide for the common defense.." part with amazing regularity.

The one piece of legislation was and remains a 'feelgood' artifact from a gutless Congress who had not the stones to do anything meaningful, and will remain such as long as the opposition is in power, unfortunately.

126 posted on 01/06/2007 8:47:45 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: hosepipe
Strange that this FACT is not faced even here at FreeRepublic..

The Freepers familiar with Santa Ana elections are quite educated on this subject!

127 posted on 01/06/2007 8:51:07 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Get right with God....eternity is a long time.....)
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To: Brad's Gramma
[ The Freepers familiar with Santa Ana elections are quite educated on this subject! ]

YET its never mentioned, except by me..
DENIAL?... what?.. ALIENS are VOTING!...
Large amounts(probably) of aliens are voting(democrat)..
and nobody cares.. Republican suicide is not an oxymoron..

128 posted on 01/06/2007 9:04:59 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole)
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To: joanie-f; Brucifer

Great article joanie. I can tell it was good by how uncomfortable I felt after reading it. I lived 8 miles from the border in S. Texas for 25 years. Unfortunately, there is a lot of truth in what you write. Thanks for posting.


129 posted on 01/06/2007 9:53:35 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life)
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To: archy
When I was discharged from the USMC the officer in charge of the proceedings took great pains to remind me that while my legal obligation the the US Marines was fulfilled my oath to 'support and defend the Constitution against all enemies' was most decidedly not and wouldn't be until the day I die.

I've never forgotten that.

I never will.

L

130 posted on 01/06/2007 10:32:05 PM PST by Lurker (Europe killed 6 million Jews and as a reward they got 40 million Moslems. Karma's a bitch.)
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To: ckilmer

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1721707/posts

I touched on that with this post...thanks for bringing it up again.


131 posted on 01/07/2007 4:34:48 AM PST by azhenfud (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: TheLion

Thanks for the kind words.


132 posted on 01/07/2007 10:00:43 AM PST by joanie-f (If you believe that God is your co-pilot, it might be time to switch seats ...)
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To: hosepipe
Excellent points, hosepipe.

The illegals already in this country are procreating at a significantly faster rate than the rest of us. Allowing even more of them free access to citizenship, without the attendant responsibility that once used to be attached, will simply serve to cause those of us who are what you call the current ‘European-American majority’ to have less and less of a voice about our future. Parasites, with no comprehension, and even less appreciation, of the roots of this republic, will call the shots for our grandchildren.

~ joanie
Allegiance and Duty Betrayed

133 posted on 01/07/2007 10:03:06 AM PST by joanie-f (If you believe that God is your co-pilot, it might be time to switch seats ...)
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To: Smokin' Joe
These characters are sworn to uphold the Constitution, and manage to renege on the ... "provide for the common defense.." part with amazing regularity. The one piece of legislation was and remains a 'feelgood' artifact from a gutless Congress who had not the stones to do anything meaningful, and will remain such as long as the opposition is in power, unfortunately.

Bears repeating. And, should Hillary ascend to the presidency, the final nail will be driven.

134 posted on 01/07/2007 10:05:14 AM PST by joanie-f (If you believe that God is your co-pilot, it might be time to switch seats ...)
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To: Liberty Valance

Thanks for the kind words.


135 posted on 01/07/2007 10:05:49 AM PST by joanie-f (If you believe that God is your co-pilot, it might be time to switch seats ...)
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To: Kenny Bunk
You know, I can’t say that I disagree with anything you’ve said in R #117.

The only thing I take issue with is what you call your resonance. Sounds to me more like resignation.

Yes, our enthography has changed. No, it doesn’t look like any of the ‘powers that be’ intend to do anything about the situation. But the fact is that, unless we somehow secure our borders soon, the chances of two worse things happening increase:

(1) Those of us who comprehend and revere the America that once was, and who are seeking to bring her back to at least a reflection of her former greatness, will become an ever-shrinking minority. The illegals already in this country are procreating at a significantly faster rate than the rest of us. Allowing even more of them free access to citizenship, without the attendant responsibility that once used to be attached, will simply serve to cause those of us who are what you call the current ‘European-American majority’ to have less and less of a voice about our future. Parasites, with no comprehension, and even less appreciation, of the roots of this republic, will call the shots for our grandchildren.

(2) The odds of someone with mass terrorism intentions entering, and accomplishing his insidious goals, increases every day our borders remain open.

I agree with you that the situation is bad, and most likely not correctable. But the leak needs to be plugged so that bad doesn’t turn to worse, and then abominable, and then tragic.

Our Founders faced seemingly insurmountable odds. They were in a small minority in their opposition to the crown. But the original Minutemen wouldn’t have resigned themselves to an intolerable situation any more than modern American patriots can.

I happen to believe that the looming dissolution (possibly annihilation) of most of what is good, and has been for more than two centuries, about America is fast becoming a foregone conclusion. Yet simple resignation to that fact is not an option.

Even if our only avenue of resistance is writing letters to the editor or our local newspapers and talking to uninformed friends and neighbors about the corruption and deception, and in some cases even collusion with the enemy, that is rampant in the government whose main purpose is to secure our safety and sovereignty, then we are at least serving as neighborhood activists. Doing nothing is equivalent to passive acquiescence to being swallowed up by a foreign enemy.

~ joanie

136 posted on 01/07/2007 10:06:53 AM PST by joanie-f (If you believe that God is your co-pilot, it might be time to switch seats ...)
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To: MNJohnnie

Millions of swing voters who voted Dem because of Iraq and corruption cost us the election not the 3 or 4 conservatives who actually stayed home.


137 posted on 01/07/2007 10:22:06 AM PST by mthom
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To: mthom; MNJohnnie
[ Millions of swing voters who voted Dem because of Iraq and corruption cost us the election not the 3 or 4 conservatives who actually stayed home. ]

Well said and acidicly true..

138 posted on 01/07/2007 10:37:47 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole)
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To: mthom
Millions of swing voters who voted Dem because of Iraq and corruption cost us the election not the 3 or 4 conservatives who actually stayed home.

Please define "us." To those who no longer want to be associated with the yellow-belly Republican party, that inclusive word might not be appropriate.

139 posted on 01/07/2007 11:10:48 AM PST by Minuteman23
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To: joanie-f
And, should Hillary ascend to the presidency, the final nail will be driven.

One way or another, I am afraid so. But it need not be her Heinous, any wolf in sheep's clothing will do, RINOs included.

From what I have seen, McCain and Rudy are both being shilled by the MSM because they will be easy to obliterate in the last week or two of the cycle. In the meantime, this breaks the republican party into factions debating which MSM chosen candidate should be 'the one', instead of letting all of us concentrate on finding a (conservative) candidate we can all live with without the baggage.

Those who howl most loudly for 'compromise' are convinced that only the MSM annointed have a prayer of winning, when there appears to be a significant contingent who would vote against Hillary regardless of who is running against her.

Garnering the Libertarian and 'ultra-conservative' third party vote could be as important as getting a chunk of the middle.

140 posted on 01/07/2007 11:11:06 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: MNJohnnie

Maybe you ought to write your own "Tale of the Fence" too. And be sure to include Santa and the Tooth Fairy. Chertoff was supposed to come up with a plan by sometime in late November. It has yet to happen.


141 posted on 01/07/2007 11:14:20 AM PST by Minuteman23
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To: joanie-f
This game was lost when the voters rewarded the Republican House members for passing the border bill the anti illegal immigration voters wanted by giving control of the House to the Pro-Illegal Immigration Democrats.

No House or Senate member who can read election returns is going to do anything except grant amnesty and citizenship to Mexicans that are here and open the border to those that are not.

You had best learn to speak Spanish.

142 posted on 01/07/2007 12:06:24 PM PST by Common Tator
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To: joanie-f
"To the majority of opportunistic traitors in our government, the invasion that is destroying our national identity, making a mockery of the rule of law, rewarding insidious parasitic behavior, and putting every American citizen in danger, is secondary in importance to the desire to increase their voting base, the lure of cheap labor, or the vision of a one-world borderless utopia. And don’t tell me the fundamental nature of the above does not fall under the definition of treason (common synonyms: betrayal, disloyalty, duplicity)."

An excellent and well deserved harpooning of our elitist political class currently infesting Washington. They are living on borrowed time but too fixated on personal ambition, power and money to notice how restless, dissatisfied and angry the "little people" have become. With few exceptions, the entire bunch should be driven out of office, and I am no longer fussy about the means and manner of doing so.

143 posted on 01/07/2007 3:03:07 PM PST by Czar ( StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: Common Tator

Congratulations on getting your desired outcome on this issue.


144 posted on 01/07/2007 3:20:08 PM PST by mthom
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To: Kenny Bunk; joanie-f
So, the sum and substance of your post is that it's too late, the damage has been done, there is nothing we can do about it, so we should simply give up and surrender to the inevitable.

Is that about it?

That may well be how you feel about the ongoing illegal alien invasion of America, but there are many of us who do not share your defeatist view.

To me, except for family and the good Lord above, nothing is more important than the sovereignty of the United States, rigid and strict border enforcment, national security, and the preservation of American culture, customs, traditions and language. These are the values of loyal American conservatives and are to be defended no matter the cost. Anyone unwilling to do so does not deserve the freedoms and benefits they have been enjoying. Are you really that blase` about the sacrifices made by generations of our military to protect our country and our values?

You may believe these values are not worth defending, and you are entitled to your opinion. Just don't expect the rest of us to share it.

145 posted on 01/07/2007 3:33:39 PM PST by Czar ( StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: joanie-f; Minuteman23; hosepipe
Keep deluding yourselves that you have any political relevance at all any more. The US House Republicans fought tooth and nail for your people and got fired for it. So rage and rant all you want but you are simply wasting our time and bandwidth. You are totally and completely politically irrelevant now. NO one in DC is going to listen to your screeching.

You all have prove yourselves completely disloyal traitorous whiners. You are totally incapable of actually doing anything but bitching endlessly because not everything in DC is being done ONLY 100% the way ONLY you people want it done.

Because your political glass was only 70% full you threw a temper tantrum and poured yourself a glass 100% full of political poison. Well go drink it and quit wasting our time with your petulant whining. You wanted the Dems in power, YOU got it. Go ask them what THEY are going to be doing about the Border.

You all just handed the Democrats a victory that they have to do NOTHING to enjoy. See the current do NOTHING about Immigration policy suits them just find. All those illegals and their anchor babies are going to be Democrat voters. So they can just tune all you whiners out and do nothing about the current mess and wait. Eventually you all will be such a minority of voters they will not have to do ANYTHING. The US House Republicans WERE doing things to stop this but because it was not the perfect 100%er fix your con man screamers like Tancredo told you to demand you fired them.

It is a really stupid political move to spend all your time shooting your allies in the back. How about this. How about you try actually fighting the Democrats ONE time on ANYTHING? Frankly your desperate need to find any excuse to keep shooting at your own convinces most of us you all have NEVER been anything but Democrat Party mouthpieces.

All you people can do is endlessly whine, bitch and cry so a bad situation now becomes even worse. Because the people trying to FIX the problem were not doing only 100% of ONLY what you wanted the second you petulant children decided you wanted it, you fired them. NOW the political system in DC is totally stacked AGAINST your view point. WAY to cut off your noises to spite your ignorant faces Know Nothings. Want to help the Conservative Movement? GET OFF OUR SIDE.

Go do to the Democrats what you have been doing FOR them to us for the last 2 years. You Always Whining types almost cost us 2004, did cost us 2006, and will cost us 2008. Go talk to the people in power you helped Elect. You all worked so hard to elect Dems go ask THEM what they are going to do now about the Border.

146 posted on 01/07/2007 4:04:52 PM PST by MNJohnnie (I do not forgive Senator John McCain for helping destroy everything we built since 1980.)
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To: MNJohnnie; joanie-f; Minuteman23
Don't be stupid.. as usual.. Bushbot/RINObot is becomeing more and more relevant.. The republican party is becoming toxic..

Toxic to what?.. Toxic to a republican form of government..
Especially THIS unique republic..

147 posted on 01/07/2007 4:35:20 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole)
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To: Westpole

"To equate our government with terrorists is a bit over the top "

Sorry, I'll have to disagree with you on this one.

I believe that equating the government's lack of action to put a stop to the flood of ILLEGAL immigrants into the U.S. IS INDEED tantamount to traitorism and derelection of duty as "supposed" representatives of the people of the United States.

Refusing to deal with the potential danger of a flood of "undocumented people" of UNKNOWN nationality (Mexican? - maybe, but who knows for sure?) is certainly close to being traitorous to America.
Who knows, for sure, WHAT the nationalities are? No-one. Who knows what one or some of them might bring into the country? No-one. Who knows what the actual intention of EVERY ONE of the people coming in, is? No-one.

At one time, people wanting to come to America in order to make a better life for themselves and their families came into the country LEGALLY! Nowadays, politicians and the "left" welcome the illegals with open arms, the underlying reason? - to increase their voting base! How much more of this behavior will we tolerate before there's a backlash of major proportion.

How can America expect to PROTECT the citizenry by ignoring the free flow of people across the border, THEN, to add insult to injury, the idiots who are supposed to be representing us are giving away all types of social services to them.....services that you and I, as law abiding taxpayers are paying for!

Those things considered, I consider the statement to be accurate.

That, in my mind DOES put the politicians in the same class as the terrorists.


148 posted on 01/07/2007 7:50:13 PM PST by GVNR ("The cry from the "left" - You ain't seen nothin' yet! Wait'll we screw EVERYONE!")
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To: MNJohnnie; Smokin' Joe; HiJinx; EternalVigilance; johnny7; DustyMoment; raybbr; ...
Because your political glass was only 70% full you threw a temper tantrum and poured yourself a glass 100% full of political poison. Well go drink it and quit wasting our time with your petulant whining. You wanted the Dems in power, YOU got it ... MNJohnnie

My political glass hasn’t been seventy percent full since the last Reagan administration.

Tell you what. I’m going to list the biggest grievances I have against the ‘republicans’ who have run the show for the past six years – as well as the few examples of conservative progress for which I have to give them credit. I suspect you can provide a similar list, with different headings, should you choose.

First, the biggest negatives:

(1) As President Bush has said, there is no doubt that confronting Islamic fascism on foreign soil is significantly preferable to confronting it here on our own soil.

But, if we make the commitment to do so, it should be a full-fledged commitment. We should re-deploy troops that are performing non-military duty around the world, or who are assigned in non-essential areas, and place those troops in strategic areas along the Iraq border so as to stop the constant infiltration of insurgents and agitators from Iran and Syria. As we did in Vietnam, we are fighting this war with one hand tied behind our backs. In this case we are feverishly bailing the boat while stubbornly refusing to seal the leak. A large number of American troop and Iraqi citizen fatalities are the simple result of the fact that we continue to allow Iranian and Syrian instigators, and equipment, to flow, virtually unfettered, into the war zone.

This war was waged for valid reasons. It is being prosecuted poorly. And the left-leaning politicians and media decision-makers are having a field day as a result.

If this war becomes our Vietnam II, we will have the democrats on the Hill and media propagandists to blame, once again. But the administration will have provided them the tools.

(2) Four major initiatives, all of which are abominations to genuine conservatives, were put on the books during the republicans’ reign, all of which would have made the Founders weep in disbelief:

Campaign Finance Reform

CFR’s major focus is to silence the voice of the individual in the political process, in deference to the gargantuan power of special interest groups and lobbyists, and the general unconstitutional over-reaching power that the state now has in all of our lives and liberties -- even down to issues of what we may say, and when and where we may say it … and the First Amendment be damned.

The creation of the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America

Why is our leadership in Washington concerning itself with the security of the continent when the security of our republic is in such toxic disrepair, and when the threats to our lives and liberties have never been greater? And why should the U.S. enter into a security partnership with a country whose political and military leadership continues to demand that the most vulnerable aspect of our national security remains unaddressed, and who benefits from our exposed vulnerability?

In order for this agreement to succeed, America’s existence as a sovereign nation must cease to exist, the idea must be promoted that self-interest, self-protection and personal success is wicked and intolerant, and that a ‘we-are-the-world/equality-of-outcome’ mindset is a sign of a compassionate, highly advanced culture. It is an insidious partnership that primarily benefits Mexico, while, at the same time, handcuffing the American citizen and penalizing him for his relative prosperity.

The No Child Left Behind Act

Most genuine conservatives want to begin to limit the power of the federal government in education regulation. Many (President Reagan in particular) have sought to abolish the Department of Education altogether. The abomination known as No Child Left Behind dramatically increases the stranglehold that the federal government has on local education standards, buries administrators and teachers in a mountain of paperwork, provides very little individual attention to, or curriculum-focus on, students who excel, promotes cookie-cutter educational mediocrity, and has forced many schools to almost single-mindedly gear their curriculum requirements toward meeting arbitrary standards, many of which completely ignore both the history and importance of Western Civilization, and the basics of math, science and the English language.

The Medicare Prescription Drug Modernization Act

A $400 billion socialist/entitlement/wealth redistribution program. It is the largest expansion of Medicare since the program was created in 1965.

In all fairness, I believe this President and his republican congress have accomplished two major conservative victories in the past six years: the appointment of two excellent Supreme Court Justices, and the providing of tax relief. But, when one compares the lists of plusses with the list of minuses, the feeling of betrayal is overwhelming.

Some final words on the immigration crisis:

No genuine conservative champions open borders and guest worker programs for twelve million criminals who are bleeding the American taxpayer dry. When forced to, the president and most republicans on the Hill talk about the vital importance of national security, but they somehow can't see fit to secure our borders. For some of them, the only national security issues of any importance are located in the Middle East.

I consider my security breached when:

(1) Islamic operative can freely enter my country across a two-thousand mile border.

(2) The fruits of my labor will be siphoned off, by an increasingly unaccountable federal government, to pay for social services, education, legal fees and court costs for criminals who are living and working in this country illegally.

(3) Representatives of the Mexican government are allowed to have a say (sometimes even more of a say than the American citizenry) as to how, and how resolutely, we patrol the very borders across which their own countrymen are invading our republic.

(4) An administration and a congress issue angry, patriotic, self-righteous political rhetoric over the firing of ballistic missiles from North Korea, and yet, passively and silently, know and conceal the fact that nuclear/biological/chemical contaminants and weapons can even more easily find their way into this country in a suitcase carried across our unguarded southern border.

(5) Many in leadership positions view as ‘racist’ or ‘intolerant’ those who decry the arrogant, parasitic, and anti-American-sovereignty agenda of a radical separatist organization like La Raza, and the alien criminal element it champions, while pandering to the worst kind of genuine racism, if and only if it furthers a political end and the amassing of globalst/elitist power.

If believing all of the above places me in your ’petulant whiner’ category, so be it. Genuine conservatives have always marched to a particularly clear and well-defined beat, and there is no blind lock-step involved.

~ joanie
Allegiance and Duty Betrayed

149 posted on 01/07/2007 8:05:19 PM PST by joanie-f (If you believe that God is your co-pilot, it might be time to switch seats ...)
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To: hosepipe

"Its quite easy to get registered to VOTE by illegal and even legal aliens in most places"

In jest: It's quite easy to get registered to VOTE by the DEAD - if they're Democrats!


















150 posted on 01/07/2007 8:24:50 PM PST by GVNR ("The cry from the "left" - You ain't seen nothin' yet! Wait'll we screw EVERYONE!")
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