The Tale of the Invisible Seven-Hundred-Mile Fence

self | 6 January, 2007 | joanie-f

[SoCalPol]

Thanks for the ping.

As I have said before it is like the 1930s in Europe.
It is in front of our face but many don't or won't see.
For those open border folks in their safe enclaves who don't have or want a clue, it is coming your way soon if there is amnesty and no Border control
And yes, I am a Bush supporter, not one of the third party wackOs

[Paul Ross]

Bump. Apt beyond all other words...

[Paul Ross]

Amazingly, as private oil companies around the world raked in record profits last year, Pemex lost $3.75 billion. Why? The chief reason is that the Mexican government loots the company to finance itself. Only a state-owned oil company can lose money when oil prices have been this high.

Agreed.

[Dead Corpse]

Is it too soon to start shooting the bastards?

That is up to each individual to decide. Gaging things from a "Founding Father" perspective... things would already be at the "1 if by land, 2 if by sea" stage.

Furball starts though, I think a lot of people will choose up sides in a hurry.

[EveningStar]

You guys need to watch what you're posting. This is a public forum.

[EveningStar]

IIRC, you have first hand experience with the negative effects of illegal immigration. Or am I mixing you up with someone else?

[SoCalPol]

You are correct. I am in San Diego and around 20 miles north of the major border.

[Dead Corpse]

This is a public forum. An analog to the Founder public tap rooms and meeting halls the British tried to shut down. No one is advocating any criminal action. Relax. We know the rules.

As for the walls having ears, who cares. Let them know.

[EveningStar]

No one is advocating any criminal action.

I take you at your word, but others might have a different interpretation.

[joanie-f]

hey put me on your ping list

Will do. Thanks for the kind words.

[hinckley buzzard]

He also reminded Mr. Chertoff that he is required within 60 days of the bill's passage to submit to the House Appropriations Committee "an expenditure plan for establishing a security barrier along the border of the United States."

This was written October 11. Anyone know whether Chertoff has submitted his "plan?"

[joanie-f]

Your Churchill quote is chilling – especially:

Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen: all know how to die. But the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.

If any western politician or statesman uttered those powerful, courageous words today, he would be excoriated not only by Jihadists and fatwa-happy muftis, but by the majority in political, media and academic ‘leadership’ in America.

The modern version of ‘tolerance’ is the enemy of freedom, courage and truth.

Thanks for your eloquent and informative contributions to this thread.

~ joanie
Allegiance and Duty Betrayed

[joanie-f]

We have Nicaragua, soon we will have El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Costa Rica, and Mexico. One day, tomorrow or five years or fifteen years from now, we're going to take 5 to 10 million Mexicans and they are going into Dallas, into El Paso, into Houston, into New Mexico, into San Diego, and each one will have embedded in his mind the idea of killing ten Americans."

--Thomas Borge, Nicaraguan Interior Minister, as quoted in the Washington Times, March 27, 1985

Bears (constant) repeating. And anyone who doesn't believe in the 'clairvoyance' of the infamous Sandinista simply hasn't been paying attention, or has been living in a cave for the past twenty-five years.

[joanie-f]

Many thanks for the excellent links! On occasion, I have searched high and low for such evidence, and have only been able to come up with a handful of specifics (even though I know the examples are countless).

You have now saved me any such future agony. Much appreciated!

~ joanie
Allegiance and Duty Betrayed

[joanie-f]

While you are at it, please explain why our President appears more interested in preserving the Mexican culture than he is the American culture.
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We are now one of the largest Spanish-speaking nations in the world. We're a major source of Latin music, journalism and culture.

Just go to Miami, or San Antonio, Los Angeles, Chicago or West New York, New Jersey ... and close your eyes and listen. You could just as easily be in Santo Domingo or Santiago, or San Miguel de Allende.

For years our nation has debated this change -- some have praised it and others have resented it. By nominating me, my party has made a choice to welcome the new America.

… George Bush, from a campaign speech in Miami, August 2000

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Pandering at its ugliest. Apparently George Bush’s America bears no resemblance to Teddy Roosevelt’s.

A President with divided allegiance is a danger to his people.

~ joanie
Allegiance and Duty Betrayed

[joanie-f]

Thanks for the kind words, and the ping, ES.

[Kenny Bunk]

OK. So I am having a major problem. Call it resonance.

Right now, all the sound and fury over illegal immigration signifies exactly nothing because the damage has been done. The idea of an America with an European-American majority, with well-defined minorities, of the 1960's is over. The fact that we based our national identity upon it is just too damned bad.

Like it or not, we are well on our way to a Latino-American population of well over 100Million. Since 1965. thanks to legal, and of course massive illegal immigration, the fundamental American ethnography has changed.

Changing that fact, whether I or you like it or not, IMHO is never going to happen. There is an inexhaustible supply of people to the south of our hemisphere who want in to our northern part of the hemisphere, and we have demonstrated neither the will nor the ability to stop them. Indeed, were I living there in poverty, I would interpret this country's actual actions as encouragement for me to move.

Of course we need a strong, well-defined and well-guarded border, for many reasons. But if we did that tonight, it still would not change the demographic facts of life.

The challenge is to control our borders, No. 1. Number 2 is to figure out how to handle the ethnic shift that has already occurred and seems never to be undone. The children of illegal aliens are citizens. No one is stepping up to change that law, so it looks as if we are stuck with it. There will never be mass deportation. There will probably be mild sporadically enforced employer sanctions.

Of course Tom Tancredo is right. So what? What can he, or more importantly, we do about it? That's the question, and so far I haven't seen any answers ... even on the far distant horizon. The fact that everyone is talking about it, and 80% claim to be upset by illegal immigration, is interesting ... but is certainly not leading to anything but false "immigration reform," which if you are old enough, you will recall is how this mess got started.

Oprime numero dos para inglés.

[joanie-f]

Your scenario is really quite feasible, and I suspect wouldn’t be very difficult to put into place, despite the countless monstrous bureaucratic roadblocks that would be attempted.

In the presence the unprecedented threat to our very existence that a continued open border represents, the small-print legalisms that would be invoked by vocal and powerful opponents to such a plan would have to be unceremoniously squelched (a highly uncharacteristic state of affairs in America 2007, where taking the bull by the horns has become a lost art). Nitpicking political Pharisees, incorrectly screaming about violations of the Posse Comitatus Act, would be rampant.

Yet, as Tom Tancredo has said repeatedly, we have the personnel and the resources to get this done in a relative heartbeat. All it will take is the will. And, to be honest, I don’t believe our ‘leadership’ has it, and I have serious doubts about the citizenry as well.

~ joanie
Allegiance and Duty Betrayed

[joanie-f]

There's not a word of your response with which I disagree. Your disgust with the republican 'leadership' of the past twelve years is shared by every genuine conservative.

Thanks for your insightful input!

~ joanie
Allegiance and Duty Betrayed

[joanie-f]

Not long ago i had a conversation with a co-worker(recent graduate of USF).The conversation turned to politics/social issues.I asked him what he thought about the problem of illegal immigration.He looked at me with a straight face and asked "what problem?".This supposedly intelligent(?)and educated young man was totaly clueless.I'm afraid most Americans fit in that catagory.

It’s hard to comprehend how, during such perilous times, most Americans continue to practice their voluntary apathy and ignorance.

My husband and I know quite a few good people in our area, and are warmed by their friendship. We consider ourselves deeply blessed in that regard.

With that said, I believe that two, possibly three, people I know (friends included) have a clue about what is going on in this sorry world. All of the rest of these good people know only what the ‘powers that be’ want them to know.

That used to trouble me. It no longer does. I have chosen to enjoy the friendship and acquaintance-ship of those whose paths cross mine on a regular basis, sweep in front of my own door, keep my S&Ws clean and in working order, talk to anyone who is interested in knowing whatever I may know about what lies ahead, and simply hunker down for the disaster-to-come.

One cannot force-feed information to those who aren’t even aware that they are hungry.

~ joanie
Allegiance and Duty Betrayed