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Kids kicked off a bus for speaking English
ktsp.com ^ | 01/09/2007 | staff

Posted on 01/09/2007 9:06:29 PM PST by Nachum

Imagine sending your kids off to school, but when they get to the bus they are told they can't get on because they speak English.

That's right, English.

It happened to a few children in St. Paul and now the school district is apologizing.

Rachel Armstrong sent her kids to pick up the bus as usual Monday, but after the driver let the kids on, he told them he would not pick them up again. He even said he wouldn't take them home that afternoon.

Armstrong left work early Tuesday, forced to pick up her kids from Phalen Lake Elementary School.

Her twin girls, 10, and her son, 8, were kicked off their regular school bus. They were told by the bus driver the route is for non-English speaking students only.

"I was furious. I was at work and I was just mad." Armstrong said. "I felt like we were being discriminated because we speak English. Just because they speak English, they can't ride the school bus. I mean, this is America, right?"

Administrators at St. Paul Public Schools admit the district made a mistake when it stranded the kids at school Monday.

However, the district points out, that particular bus route serves one of three language academies. The one at Phalen Lake is for Hmong students learning English.

The academies all have separate bus routes to keep its students together.

The district decided to enforce the separate routes beginning Monday, but it did not tell the Armstrong family.

"It is our responsibility to ensure the safety of these kids and we made a mistake. The kids should have gotten home that day," Dayna Kennedy, public relations representative.

The district also discovered the Armstrongs no longer live in the Phalen Lake School boundary because they moved last year.

So even thought the district apologized, if they want to still go to Phalen, they are going to have to get their own ride.


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1 posted on 01/09/2007 9:06:32 PM PST by Nachum
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To: Nachum

This is where "multiculturalism" is headed, off the deep end. Politics is like a circle, once you go so far left you start going in this extreme direction.

Wait till we have the "no white" drinking fountains, we're headed back towards segregration, and it will be at primarily the hands of the left, just like it was the first time.


2 posted on 01/09/2007 9:10:20 PM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake.)
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To: Nachum

Pig-Latin always works for me...;0)


3 posted on 01/09/2007 9:11:24 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: Nachum

If you love your children you will work to make your representatives stop funding the NEA and teach your children yourself. Otherwise suffer!

JMHO


4 posted on 01/09/2007 9:12:32 PM PST by EndWelfareToday (Live free and keep what you earn.)
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To: Nachum

Interesting the Hmong get their own bus.


5 posted on 01/09/2007 9:13:07 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Celebrate Mediocrity!)
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To: Nachum

Wow. I wonder what would have happened if a kid got thrown off a bus for not knowing English? Paging the ACLU...


6 posted on 01/09/2007 9:15:10 PM PST by UWconservative
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

What I want to Know! Is what Language are they supposed to be Speaking? St.Paul?....Minnesota......Arabic?


7 posted on 01/09/2007 9:15:43 PM PST by NobleEagle2004 ("You Are The 1st Brigade!"StoneWall Jackson)
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To: Nachum
The district also discovered the Armstrongs no longer live in the Phalen Lake School boundary because they moved last year.

So even thought the district apologized, if they want to still go to Phalen, they are going to have to get their own ride.

Why should the district pay money to pick up kids who don't live in their district?

8 posted on 01/09/2007 9:15:43 PM PST by Tamar1973 (Making every thread a Star Wars thread, one post at a time!!!)
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To: Nachum

So kids learning English must not be exposed to English in daily life? Segregating these kids, especially below middle school level will retard their learning of English. I know many Vietnamese emigre families that speak Viet in the home. Their children learn English very quickly in school with, at most, an ESOL teacher for an hour a day. It is my observation that the ESOL is not even necessary for more than a few. Their parents encourage the English and would totally oppose language segregation. They want their children to mix and be Americans. By speaking Viet in the home they avoid giving their children strong accents in their English.


9 posted on 01/09/2007 9:17:28 PM PST by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: Nachum
that particular bus route serves one of three language academies. The one at Phalen Lake is for Hmong students learning English.

God forbid the Hmong students learn any English outside of school.
10 posted on 01/09/2007 9:19:16 PM PST by July 4th (A vacant lot cancelled out my vote for Bush.)
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To: NobleEagle2004

What I want to Know! Is what Language are they supposed to be Speaking? St.Paul?....Minnesota......Arabic?
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Good Point,,,Why Does The Child Have To Speak At All ???
I bet somebody gets "Burned" over this crap!!...


11 posted on 01/09/2007 9:22:16 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: ThanhPhero

Stupid "liberal think". "Oh, we're going to coddle you to the grave so that you never have to learn English, just starch our shirts the way we like you to and make sure our dish is made with the extra wide noodles, ha, ha"./s


12 posted on 01/09/2007 9:23:06 PM PST by khnyny (For today in the city of David a Savior has been born for you who is Messiah and Lord.)
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To: word_warrior_bob
that particular bus route serves one of three language academies. The one at Phalen Lake is for Hmong students learning English.

The headline is extremely misleading and probably purposefully written to irritate.

They were not "kicked off" for "speaking English".

People really need to read this more closely before getting to excited about it.

Somehow, I picture a liberal headline writer saying to his buddies: "Watch what kind of reaction this one gets from the right wing nut jobs!"

13 posted on 01/09/2007 9:23:23 PM PST by Michael.SF. (It's time our lawmakers paid more attention to their responsibilities, and less to their privileges.)
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To: Nachum
The failed governenment indoctrination system of public schools must be destroyed.
14 posted on 01/09/2007 9:27:19 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Well, it's 2007. Time to get ready for 2008.)
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To: Michael.SF.

Segregating these kids onto non-English speaking buses is bad enough, they don't have to invent headlines to irritate people. BTW, I think that most of the "right wing nut jobs" here can read and understand exactly what they're reading.


15 posted on 01/09/2007 9:27:58 PM PST by khnyny (For today in the city of David a Savior has been born for you who is Messiah and Lord.)
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To: khnyny
I think that most of the "right wing nut jobs" here can read and understand exactly what they're reading.

I would not agree with that based on some of the comments I am seeing here.

16 posted on 01/09/2007 9:29:45 PM PST by Michael.SF. (It's time our lawmakers paid more attention to their responsibilities, and less to their privileges.)
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To: Michael.SF.

Which reply are you talking about specifically?


17 posted on 01/09/2007 9:31:59 PM PST by khnyny (For today in the city of David a Savior has been born for you who is Messiah and Lord.)
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To: Nachum

Lawsuit time. It used to be the favorite weapon of the leftscum. Well, what's good for the goose...


18 posted on 01/09/2007 9:33:12 PM PST by piytar
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To: Nachum
The district also discovered the Armstrongs no longer live in the Phalen Lake School boundary because they moved last year.

So even thought the district apologized, if they want to still go to Phalen, they are going to have to get their own ride.

The cheating out-of-district parents were caught when they complained!

The law of unintended consequences strikes again!

19 posted on 01/09/2007 9:35:43 PM PST by vox humana
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To: NobleEagle2004
What I want to Know! Is what Language are they supposed to be Speaking? St.Paul?....Minnesota......Arabic?

Communist actually. Most are so weak they want gubmint to control them.

20 posted on 01/09/2007 9:40:11 PM PST by quantim (Carcinoma Senatorus = Incurable cancer causing senators to think they're Presidential material.)
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To: khnyny
Which reply are you talking about specifically?

I am not going to attack anyone specifically because they have missed something in this article (which is exactly what was intended by the way it was written, imho).

Instead, consider this, from the article:

that particular bus route serves one of three language academies. The one at Phalen Lake is for Hmong students learning English.

Now consider this:

The bus serves kids who are trying to LEARN English. Since these kids already knew English, they were on the wrong bus!

The driver handled it badly, the school district screwed up, yes. But, they were trying to get the non English speaking kids to a school where they could learn English.

21 posted on 01/09/2007 9:41:00 PM PST by Michael.SF. (It's time our lawmakers paid more attention to their responsibilities, and less to their privileges.)
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To: ThanhPhero
By speaking Viet in the home they avoid giving their children strong accents in their English.

That's a very good point, I never would have thought of that. The parents are very aware and intelligent, helping their kids assimilate using that method.

22 posted on 01/09/2007 9:42:49 PM PST by Syncro
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To: Michael.SF.
Yes dear, we all "get that".

I was asking for specifics, which you can't or won't give, that's your prerogative, but don't cloud the issue with nonsense.
23 posted on 01/09/2007 9:43:54 PM PST by khnyny (For today in the city of David a Savior has been born for you who is Messiah and Lord.)
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To: Nachum

This is absolutely disgusting. Absurd. Insane.

And when you call companies to do business you are asked to press a number in order to hear English! English should be automatically default...and other languages should not be offered.


24 posted on 01/09/2007 9:46:12 PM PST by eleni121 ( + En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great))
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To: khnyny

If you want to have a serious conversation do not talk down to me, Honey.


25 posted on 01/09/2007 9:47:11 PM PST by Michael.SF. (It's time our lawmakers paid more attention to their responsibilities, and less to their privileges.)
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To: word_warrior_bob

'This is where "multiculturalism" is headed, off the deep end. Politics is like a circle, once you go so far left you start going in this extreme direction.

Wait till we have the "no white" drinking fountains, we're headed back towards segregration, and it will be at primarily the hands of the left, just like it was the first time.'
~~
IMHO, multi-culturalism is primarily led by womyn. Take a look at the make-up of your typical grade school. If there is a male in the administration, it's probably one or two, but the top few posts are womyn.

The vast majority of teachers are womyn.

Take a look at the texts, the lessons, the projects; males are left out - womyn rule, figuratively and literally.

Yes, the multiculti crowd will indeed steer us all toward the deep end.


26 posted on 01/09/2007 9:47:18 PM PST by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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To: Nachum

You bet the school district made a mistake! What if their mom couldn't have gotten off work to pick them up after school?

Just imagine the outcry if this had been a Hmong kid on an english-speaking-only bus.


27 posted on 01/09/2007 9:48:20 PM PST by Theresawithanh (It's the end of the world as we know it, but I feel fine....)
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To: Michael.SF.

Hey, I'm just a "right wing nut-job", lol. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black...


28 posted on 01/09/2007 9:48:43 PM PST by khnyny (For today in the city of David a Savior has been born for you who is Messiah and Lord.)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

"Pig-Latin always works for me...;0)"

Don't use that when addressing Rosie O'Donuts, her native language is Pig-Latin.


29 posted on 01/09/2007 9:49:48 PM PST by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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To: Rembrandt

Can't get a date, huh?


30 posted on 01/09/2007 9:51:17 PM PST by khnyny (For today in the city of David a Savior has been born for you who is Messiah and Lord.)
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To: Rembrandt

Rosie Boo-Koo Dinkey Dau!!! Numba`Ten Tao' !! Boo-Koo too much Sop-Sop!!...


31 posted on 01/09/2007 10:05:36 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: NobleEagle2004
what Language are they supposed to be Speaking? St.Paul?....Minnesota:

Saint Paul: Either Greek, Aramaic, or Hebrew. Maybe some Latin; bit of Egyptian...some Syriac?

32 posted on 01/09/2007 10:08:27 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: Nachum

I've had the impression for a while now that the Hmong don't seem to be doing as well as the Vietnamese. ?


33 posted on 01/09/2007 10:11:07 PM PST by Riverine
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To: Nachum

I thought they spoke Norwegian up there.


34 posted on 01/09/2007 10:17:56 PM PST by oldbill
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To: Michael.SF.

http://www.parentsunitednetwork.org/Language_center_causing_a_stir.html

There are about five elementary schools in this area that have opened these "language centers". They are located at the elementary schools, but are a separate classroom or onsite area, apparently. Sorry not to "mail you", but everyone needs to know this info. Tax dollars at work and all that.


35 posted on 01/09/2007 10:32:56 PM PST by khnyny (For today in the city of David a Savior has been born for you who is Messiah and Lord.)
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To: ThanhPhero

That's okay, Houston renamed all of the streets downtown with Vietnamese names in addition to the English names. Must make responding to emergencies and mail delivery "wonderful".


36 posted on 01/09/2007 10:33:03 PM PST by weegee ("Vote Obama - For More Ears!")
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To: Nachum

The driver refused to drop off elementary school children back at the point where he/she picked them up? Couldn't that be considered endangerment leaving them there like that?


37 posted on 01/09/2007 10:38:00 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: Michael.SF.
I would suggest that perhaps you are the one that doesn't understand what you are reading:
"The district decided to enforce the separate routes beginning Monday, but it did not tell the Armstrong family."
38 posted on 01/09/2007 10:42:35 PM PST by BruceysMom ( Owned by an Ovcharka)
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To: Michael.SF.
You (Michael.SF.) wrote:
"They were not 'kicked off' for 'speaking English'.
People really need to read this more closely before getting to excited about it.
Somehow, I picture a liberal headline writer saying to his buddies: 'Watch what kind of reaction this one gets from the right wing nut jobs!'
"

But the article said:
"So even thought the district apologized, if they want to still go to Phalen, they are going to have to get their own ride."

So they won't be allowed to ride any bus to get to their school, even though their family pays taxes for the transportation.

Residents in the USA should be required to be able to speak English. No English-speaking American should be deprived of any taxpayer-funded service for not being able to speak a foreign language.

Left-wing "nut jobs" would argue in favor of what the public school adminstrators did by posting arguments beside the point and calling us "right wing nut jobs."

I've worked in public schools. Most of the teachers and administrators in those places often exhibited lunatic behavior, and most of the material given to students was garbage.
39 posted on 01/09/2007 11:27:30 PM PST by familyop (Essayons)
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To: khnyny; Rembrandt
khnyny wrote:
"Can't get a date, huh?"

Wow! ...get a date? Those were the days! There was a time when marriage and fatherhood were upheld by laws, but those days are over. We're living in a nation ruled by anti-American manhaters (like Rosie) and their back-door boys (Beecher-esque, adulterous bosses).

The Presumption Against Marriage

The Presumption Against Marriage, Part II
41 posted on 01/09/2007 11:42:46 PM PST by familyop (Essayons)
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To: Rembrandt
Those articles were written by Bernard Chapin, BTW--a man with a conservative outlook and a great sense of humor. Speaking of Pig Latin and dates, here's an excerpt.

Another huge factor to me is the obesity epidemic. While I acknowledge that it’s not really an epidemic by most definitions, weight increases seem to heavily affect married women. I’m 34 years old now, and I’ve met countless females who ballooned to MGM proportions after getting hitched. To me, this is deplorable. I knew one who showed me a picture of her when she was 22. She was better looking than most movie stars. Her body was hard and trim and her face was pure allure, but by age 28 she had gained 65 pounds and wore pants that William Perry could have fit into. I’d look at her husband sorrowfully when she talked of having children. The act of conception with her would have required the courage of St. George. No mere oral dose of Viagra would do. It would require hypodermic injections to get old Bumpty into Humpity form.

42 posted on 01/09/2007 11:49:58 PM PST by familyop (Essayons)
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To: word_warrior_bob

When the Lord punished us for our seeking to obtain his powers he confounded us by giving us a diversity of languages at Babel.


43 posted on 01/10/2007 12:03:08 AM PST by fella (Respect does not equal fear unless your a tyrant.)
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To: Nachum

If the route was for Hmong kids who are learning English, then having them with English speakers on the ride home would only help to achieve the goal.


44 posted on 01/10/2007 12:10:03 AM PST by aruanan
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To: Nachum
The kids should have gotten home that day

Shoulda coulda woulda.

45 posted on 01/10/2007 12:37:25 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Barack Saddam Hussein Obama)
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To: VeniVidiVici

Looks like they got on the Hmong bus.


46 posted on 01/10/2007 12:39:00 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Barack Saddam Hussein Obama)
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To: weegee
I used to live at Lovett Square on Tuam Street (Brazos and Bagby) in downtown Houston.

I could walk to several Vietnamese restaurants nearby.

I always thought Tuam sounded Vietnamese, but it turns out to be Irish.

I haven't lived in Houston since 1992, but it was my home of record for 25 years.

47 posted on 01/10/2007 1:16:58 AM PST by battlegearboat
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To: Nachum
Rachel Armstrong sent her kids to pick up the bus as usual Monday

Everybody seems to have missed the truly abusive situation going on here. Busses are damn'd heavy and children shouldn't be made to pick them up.

48 posted on 01/10/2007 1:55:52 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: ThanhPhero
By speaking Viet in the home they avoid giving their children strong accents in their English.

Ingenious -- I wouldn't have thought of that. But it's good, in that it keeps the kids sharp in Viet while they're learning good English.

One of the mini-scandals of the NEA/Left's handling of immigration/nonassimilation is that Mexican kids living in the U.S. interior are speaking very bad Spanish, as well as bad/no English. These guys can't do anything right.

A Taiwanese guy I know who wants to retire in China (why, is his business, I guess) is a native Mandarin speaker. His folks weren't Taiwanese but mainlanders from northern China who retreated with the "Gearwheel Chinese" (the Kuomintang) in 1949. He told me ten years ago that he had found that his own command of the four-tone system of Mandarin had grown shaky during his previous 20 years in America (one of his reasons for wanting to reimmerse in Chinese), and that it was a source of considerable concern to him that his teenaged kids' command of Mandarin was pretty bad, especially the tonal system -- but then, Mandarin's a tough language, objectively considered. Nevertheless, he wanted them to be sharp in both American English and Mandarin.

Individuals benefit by being polyglot, but the society suffers when Barneyized Leftist morons try to make it polyglot.

49 posted on 01/10/2007 2:08:26 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: weegee
....Houston renamed all of the streets downtown with Vietnamese names .....

I heard it was actually the Asian merchants who did that, in a flourish of patronization of their American hosts, whom they apparently don't deem their peers, but merely objects of colonization. (Renaming streets, and then cities, is colonizing them.) I understand that this matter is being corrected -- or is supposed to be corrected -- and that the merchants have been informed, rather stiffly, that the street signs they'd added on their own nickel are strictly informal, and that the original names remain the names of those streets for every lawful purpose.

50 posted on 01/10/2007 2:16:13 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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