Posted on 01/18/2007 7:50:55 AM PST by jveritas
The most lasting tragedy of the Vietnam War is that it has legitimized “giving aid and comfort to the enemy”. We are seeing the giving of aid and comfort to the enemy running wild in this war on terror and sadly not only among liberals and their media but also among some conservatives who some of them are right here on this great Free Republic.
When Al Qaeda terrorists, or the terrorist regimes in Iran and Syria, or the Iraqi insurgent terrorists whether they are Sunnis or Shia hear the speeches of defeatism coming from liberals and their media, or unfortunately coming from some conservatives who some of them are right here on Free Republic, will they feel comforted and aided by these speeches? Of course they will be comforted, and they will be embolden to fight more and more, kill more and more, destroy more and more, because they realize that many Americans do not have the will to fight a long and hard war.
Defeatism and providing aid and comfort to the enemy was something that we expected from liberals and their media because their hate to President Bush and the Republican Party is hundred of times more than their hate to the terrorists. However it is really sad that some conservatives and some members on this great forum are doing their share in providing aid and comfort to the enemy through their defeatist attitude.
Do the defeatists want to amend the Constitution so we will have the following? Stop the war and leave if we lose more than one thousand troops, or stop the war and leave if it lasts more than one year, or stop the war and leave if it costs more than 50 billions dollars, whichever comes first. Do they want to do this?
The defeatists who argue that Iraq is not part of the war on terror but rather it is just a civil war between Sunnis and Shia are wrong and naive beyond belief. Iraq is most definitely the central and most important front in the war on terror. It is in Iraq where Al Qaeda and their local Iraqi allies decided to fight the US. It is in Iraq where the islamic terrorists from all over the world are pouring in to fight the Americans. It is in Iraq where the terrorist regimes of Iran and Syria and their local Iraqi allies want to defeat the US so they can have total control of the Middle East. Since the terrorists are all over the world, then the best way to fight them is to attract them to one place to kill them. Whether it was planned or not, Iraq turned out to be the magnet that has been attracting the terrorists from all over the world, and that is the ultimate way to fight the war on terror and to kill as many terrorists as we can.
Every defeatist who is giving aid and comfort to the enemy should ask himself or herself this question: What will happen if we leave Iraq before we achieve complete victory? The First thing that will happen is that the enemy will be embolden beyond belief and the terrorists whether they are Sunnis or Shia, whether they are Al Qaeda, or Iran or Syria, will be given the ultimate victory that will embolden them thousands more time then when they were emboldened when the US left Beirut after the Marines barracks terrorist attack in 1983, or when the US left Somalia in 1993 after the terrorist killed 19 troops, or when no reprisal happened against the terrorists when they attacked many American targets through out the Clinton years. If our passiveness to the past terrorist attacks emboldened them in such a way to attack us on 9/11, think about what they can do to us if we give and leave Iraq and thus handle them the ultimate victory that they have been dreaming about for decades.
The defeatists must understand that if few terrorists sitting in a cave in Afghanistan with a small budget and few volunteers were able to do the 9/11 terrorist attacks, killed 3000 Americans, and caused over one trillion dollars in economic damages, then the terrorists control of Iraq and of the whole Middle East, and its vast oil resources will allow them to conduct terrorist attacks against us that we cannot imagine even in our worst nightmares. By controlling Iraq and the Middle East the terrorists will have hundreds of billions of dollars under their control that they will use it to attack us everywhere in the world and the US and cause unimaginable death, destruction and economic losses that will make 9/11 terrorist attacks look like a picnic in comparison. They will also use the oil weapon to bring the world economy to a disaster that will be many folds worse than that of the 1929 Depression.
Fellow Free Republic members, we are fighting the most important war since WW II. We are not fighting for the Iraqis in Iraq but we are fighting for ourselves, for our freedom and for our way of life. Let us all support our President and our brave troops because they need our support now more than ever.
FWIW: St. Lo is about 20 miles from Omaha. I didn't use any of the fast roads, but back roads (effectively followed the 29th's path) and stopped a bunch of times. Otherwise the drive would've taken much less time.
Is there a moderator in the house?
Just so I have this straight. Any dissent on foreign policy then is defeatist? Or is it just specific dissent you disagree with? The President has tried, ridiculously I might add, to do that. Should this be limited to just removing speech that you disagree with from the public arena or should we just toss the whole lot in jail?
As to the statement, one can't say the WOS(some seeing as we have 'allies' in this that have or currently support some forms of terrorism)T is lost or won. Considering that the WOST is dependent upon the party that happens to be in power (one party may see 'terror' in nation states different from the other party), the WOST could continue endlessly throughout time. We'll be at war for centuries!! I suppose that fact this could never end deserves a 'hoo-rah'?
Of course as a realist, a patriot, and a sometime historian, one also has to accept the principle that no nation will exist at the top perpetually, no matter what principles it was established upon
There are opinions and views that do matter other than standard Republican talking points. I'm not saying the Democrats have them or not. I don't know that they do. But closing your eyes and wishing for something to happen that very well may not happen isn't the wisest foreign policy either. I don't honestly believe that any form of representative government can last in certain areas of the Middle East. This is because it has been tried at different points and failed. Just because 'we' did it doesn't mean that it will last. Perhaps the best thing to do is to establish another somewhat secular strong man in Iraq, turn our heads again when he violates human rights, and leave it at that. Then again maybe it isn't. But Iraq is heading for rough times ahead. And I seriously don't know if sending 20,000 troops back there to return to previous levels is the best solution.
Now label me a defeatist without addressing the concerns and be done with it. About the only thing I've come to expect from 'conservatives' these days is 'well the President said' anyway...
I would gladly help you in the translating duty.
You are how old and you don't know? Go back a study wars we truly won. The answer is there. (Even if this is different. Winning is still the same.)
I got your "boy" swingin'.
Listening to Rush Limbaugh is another lock step requirment in order to have an opinion?
I had never heard the word before, so I looked it up. It means exactly what one would think. So you've expanded my vocabulary. Thanks!
That goal has been attained in northern Iraq and can be acheived in the rest of the country given time and determination. The war has been prolonged because the left has allied itself with the terrorists to undermine our efforts. They have been aided by the media, the Democrats and weak-kneed Republicans.
Everyone knows that if you keep killing Americans long enough we'll lose the political will to win. That strategy has come to fruition this year. Including on FR.
Intelligence on display! How many years did YOU spend at the School of Quick Wit and Rhetoric?
LOL... too true.
So you seriously believe we have an effective war on terror with the 2000 mile wide southern border completely open?
There has been a lot of stuff finger pointed at us that is now proven true and coming from the mouth of the President.
Amen brother.
We are seeing the giving of aid and comfort to the enemy running wild in this war on terror and sadly not only among liberals and their media but also among some conservatives who some of them are right here on this great Free Republic.
You know if you are going to accuse people of such a crime you should do it to their face.
Some may actually feel that we should get out of Iraq for whatever reason. Does that mean they are committing treason?
Can we not debate this issue without being called traitors?
I'm very disappointed that you would post such a topic. I would ask you to think about having it pulled.
PS: I support the War in Iraq. I think it is the most important battle of our generation. But I do not support this McCarthy style rant.
PSS: I probably won't have time to reply to any replies. I've said my word and I've got work to do.
could it have been the Ann Coulter interpretation of the word?
Traditional wars end when the enemy surrenders.
That is quite a bit different from: I see 'x' as a problem and believe that we need to do 'y' to overcome it. That is, constructive criticism.
That's my take. Hopefully jveritas will be able to answer your question on his/her own.
It's very different disheartening isn't it?
Not as many years as you've obviously spent at the Ditto Head Academy.
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