Posted on 01/18/2007 7:50:55 AM PST by jveritas
The most lasting tragedy of the Vietnam War is that it has legitimized “giving aid and comfort to the enemy”. We are seeing the giving of aid and comfort to the enemy running wild in this war on terror and sadly not only among liberals and their media but also among some conservatives who some of them are right here on this great Free Republic.
When Al Qaeda terrorists, or the terrorist regimes in Iran and Syria, or the Iraqi insurgent terrorists whether they are Sunnis or Shia hear the speeches of defeatism coming from liberals and their media, or unfortunately coming from some conservatives who some of them are right here on Free Republic, will they feel comforted and aided by these speeches? Of course they will be comforted, and they will be embolden to fight more and more, kill more and more, destroy more and more, because they realize that many Americans do not have the will to fight a long and hard war.
Defeatism and providing aid and comfort to the enemy was something that we expected from liberals and their media because their hate to President Bush and the Republican Party is hundred of times more than their hate to the terrorists. However it is really sad that some conservatives and some members on this great forum are doing their share in providing aid and comfort to the enemy through their defeatist attitude.
Do the defeatists want to amend the Constitution so we will have the following? Stop the war and leave if we lose more than one thousand troops, or stop the war and leave if it lasts more than one year, or stop the war and leave if it costs more than 50 billions dollars, whichever comes first. Do they want to do this?
The defeatists who argue that Iraq is not part of the war on terror but rather it is just a civil war between Sunnis and Shia are wrong and naive beyond belief. Iraq is most definitely the central and most important front in the war on terror. It is in Iraq where Al Qaeda and their local Iraqi allies decided to fight the US. It is in Iraq where the islamic terrorists from all over the world are pouring in to fight the Americans. It is in Iraq where the terrorist regimes of Iran and Syria and their local Iraqi allies want to defeat the US so they can have total control of the Middle East. Since the terrorists are all over the world, then the best way to fight them is to attract them to one place to kill them. Whether it was planned or not, Iraq turned out to be the magnet that has been attracting the terrorists from all over the world, and that is the ultimate way to fight the war on terror and to kill as many terrorists as we can.
Every defeatist who is giving aid and comfort to the enemy should ask himself or herself this question: What will happen if we leave Iraq before we achieve complete victory? The First thing that will happen is that the enemy will be embolden beyond belief and the terrorists whether they are Sunnis or Shia, whether they are Al Qaeda, or Iran or Syria, will be given the ultimate victory that will embolden them thousands more time then when they were emboldened when the US left Beirut after the Marines barracks terrorist attack in 1983, or when the US left Somalia in 1993 after the terrorist killed 19 troops, or when no reprisal happened against the terrorists when they attacked many American targets through out the Clinton years. If our passiveness to the past terrorist attacks emboldened them in such a way to attack us on 9/11, think about what they can do to us if we give and leave Iraq and thus handle them the ultimate victory that they have been dreaming about for decades.
The defeatists must understand that if few terrorists sitting in a cave in Afghanistan with a small budget and few volunteers were able to do the 9/11 terrorist attacks, killed 3000 Americans, and caused over one trillion dollars in economic damages, then the terrorists control of Iraq and of the whole Middle East, and its vast oil resources will allow them to conduct terrorist attacks against us that we cannot imagine even in our worst nightmares. By controlling Iraq and the Middle East the terrorists will have hundreds of billions of dollars under their control that they will use it to attack us everywhere in the world and the US and cause unimaginable death, destruction and economic losses that will make 9/11 terrorist attacks look like a picnic in comparison. They will also use the oil weapon to bring the world economy to a disaster that will be many folds worse than that of the 1929 Depression.
Fellow Free Republic members, we are fighting the most important war since WW II. We are not fighting for the Iraqis in Iraq but we are fighting for ourselves, for our freedom and for our way of life. Let us all support our President and our brave troops because they need our support now more than ever.
btw, thanks for the heads ups such as the UK Undercover Doc...fascinating stuff
"Losing" in Iraq probably means losing Israel and allowing Iran to develop as much of a nuclear weapon and delivery system as their oil money can afford that will eventually, and not a long eventually, be capable of reaching the continental US. Our anti missile system might be much better then than it is now but it would be better to forestall the problem than to have to rely on countering it. And Russia will be helping a successful Iran that has beaten or proved immune to America.
Thank you, again, Mr. Freeper of the Year.
BTTT.
Having the right to do something doesn't mean one should automatically do it. With rights come responsibility. People want the former but don't want to exercise the latter.
How do we balance civil liberty with civic responsibility in a time of war?
Patriotic citizens will take into account the consequences of exercising their right to criticize. Unpatriotic citizens don't care about the consequences, especially to others. They just want to open their yaps up and grab some attention.
Anyway McCarthy was right.
Emboldened the disrupters and trolls around here, too.
You are exactly correct. Also we need to be careful that some defeatist hide their defeatism under the "Macho Talk" but at the end they say everything is lost, we cannot win, let us leave, etc....
Bravo.
That needed to be said.
Bumperoo!
Look at their behavior after Katrina, and you can see the game plan for the next 9/11. I believe they will be on TV IMMEDIATELY blaming the President.
There are no second chances. Any new attack won't cause the unification of this country; the Rats and the media will make sure we are at each others' throats.
No, it's the difference between losing quickly, and losing in a long drawn out delaying action.
Which is still a valid difference of course....
--“Defeatists” unfortunately are very loud and they are all over the place--
Kudos, JV, for carrying on the good fight. I'm with you 1000%.
Just like Vietnam, Defeatists are trying to turn victory into a loss, and gloat about it later. After the Paris Peace Accords, there was a basic understanding with the North that if they #$%@d with South Vietnam they'd get bombed back to the Paleolithic.
The only "loss" in Vietnam was after the wussiest Congress in history (up to now, perhaps) stabbed our ally in the back and stupidly voted to cut off ALL funding (not just military).
The worst thing that can happen now is for reasonable Americans to similarly jump on the MaimScream Media's bandwagon, and join the UpChuck Hagels of the world in caving to the Defeatocrats.
OK, JV, you baited me!! LOL
I took some flak on kristinn's Thanksgiving thread and others when I said that this CIC will not leave office without bombing Iran and that is absolutely necessary for a win in Iraq, solving nagging problems in the ME and sending a strong message to Russia, China and North Korea. All this is in the interest of our national security. We'll see soon enough.
I don't mind opposing opinions but I minded the personal attacks precipitated, in a large part, by ignorance about the ME.
I guess you are determined to prove jveritas's point.
Exactly AV, freeper spirochette showed us how to be a DEFEATSIT.
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Interesting proposal. I'm not sure if I agree, but it's worthy of consideration.
The scale of our losses there, might bring Iraq into perspective a little.
http://www.military.com/NewContent/0,13190,NI_Iwo_Jima,00.html
Its sad that anyone in the FReeper community paying attention to any of your facts and translations could come up with a different conclusions on the War in Iraq therefor capitulating to the monsters in the drive by media.
My guess is they were not paying attention
People need to take another look at the politics behind the Iraq Study Group and the 911 Commission.
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