Posted on 01/18/2007 7:50:55 AM PST by jveritas
The most lasting tragedy of the Vietnam War is that it has legitimized “giving aid and comfort to the enemy”. We are seeing the giving of aid and comfort to the enemy running wild in this war on terror and sadly not only among liberals and their media but also among some conservatives who some of them are right here on this great Free Republic.
When Al Qaeda terrorists, or the terrorist regimes in Iran and Syria, or the Iraqi insurgent terrorists whether they are Sunnis or Shia hear the speeches of defeatism coming from liberals and their media, or unfortunately coming from some conservatives who some of them are right here on Free Republic, will they feel comforted and aided by these speeches? Of course they will be comforted, and they will be embolden to fight more and more, kill more and more, destroy more and more, because they realize that many Americans do not have the will to fight a long and hard war.
Defeatism and providing aid and comfort to the enemy was something that we expected from liberals and their media because their hate to President Bush and the Republican Party is hundred of times more than their hate to the terrorists. However it is really sad that some conservatives and some members on this great forum are doing their share in providing aid and comfort to the enemy through their defeatist attitude.
Do the defeatists want to amend the Constitution so we will have the following? Stop the war and leave if we lose more than one thousand troops, or stop the war and leave if it lasts more than one year, or stop the war and leave if it costs more than 50 billions dollars, whichever comes first. Do they want to do this?
The defeatists who argue that Iraq is not part of the war on terror but rather it is just a civil war between Sunnis and Shia are wrong and naive beyond belief. Iraq is most definitely the central and most important front in the war on terror. It is in Iraq where Al Qaeda and their local Iraqi allies decided to fight the US. It is in Iraq where the islamic terrorists from all over the world are pouring in to fight the Americans. It is in Iraq where the terrorist regimes of Iran and Syria and their local Iraqi allies want to defeat the US so they can have total control of the Middle East. Since the terrorists are all over the world, then the best way to fight them is to attract them to one place to kill them. Whether it was planned or not, Iraq turned out to be the magnet that has been attracting the terrorists from all over the world, and that is the ultimate way to fight the war on terror and to kill as many terrorists as we can.
Every defeatist who is giving aid and comfort to the enemy should ask himself or herself this question: What will happen if we leave Iraq before we achieve complete victory? The First thing that will happen is that the enemy will be embolden beyond belief and the terrorists whether they are Sunnis or Shia, whether they are Al Qaeda, or Iran or Syria, will be given the ultimate victory that will embolden them thousands more time then when they were emboldened when the US left Beirut after the Marines barracks terrorist attack in 1983, or when the US left Somalia in 1993 after the terrorist killed 19 troops, or when no reprisal happened against the terrorists when they attacked many American targets through out the Clinton years. If our passiveness to the past terrorist attacks emboldened them in such a way to attack us on 9/11, think about what they can do to us if we give and leave Iraq and thus handle them the ultimate victory that they have been dreaming about for decades.
The defeatists must understand that if few terrorists sitting in a cave in Afghanistan with a small budget and few volunteers were able to do the 9/11 terrorist attacks, killed 3000 Americans, and caused over one trillion dollars in economic damages, then the terrorists control of Iraq and of the whole Middle East, and its vast oil resources will allow them to conduct terrorist attacks against us that we cannot imagine even in our worst nightmares. By controlling Iraq and the Middle East the terrorists will have hundreds of billions of dollars under their control that they will use it to attack us everywhere in the world and the US and cause unimaginable death, destruction and economic losses that will make 9/11 terrorist attacks look like a picnic in comparison. They will also use the oil weapon to bring the world economy to a disaster that will be many folds worse than that of the 1929 Depression.
Fellow Free Republic members, we are fighting the most important war since WW II. We are not fighting for the Iraqis in Iraq but we are fighting for ourselves, for our freedom and for our way of life. Let us all support our President and our brave troops because they need our support now more than ever.
Nice quote.
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What I can point to is the President has now admitted his "Bring them on" statement was not helpful, despite many from this forum being extremely critical of anyone who was concerned about that comment. From that point forward, it seems that much of the execution of the WOT has been fraught with miscalculations, error and poorly perceived outcomes. Yet anyone who suggested otherwise was labeled a democrat, liberal or any other of a 1000 derogatory names.
Virtually no one has suggested that there have been noaccomplishments in Iraq. But anyone looking at the key outcomes would have to admit to date it has been anywhere close to where anyone expected, here or in the administration. Until the President admitted this the other day, there was a chorus of those who jumped on anyone who suggested otherwise using the name calling and other technics to dispirit and discredit. Instead of saying some of us were right, we hit with the President is man enough to admit mistakes took place. Where was he during the Bring them on debates?
There are no second chances. Any new attack won't cause the unification of this country; the Rats and the media will make sure we are at each others' throats.
I believe you are correct - especially about the media. However, I think that the average Joe - even the liberal Joe's will be out for blood those first 48 hours or so.
There's an appropriate adage:
Strike while the iron's hot.
My fear is that this great forum will be eventually hijacked by defeatists hiding under the cover of “Macho Talk” and that “We are not tough enough” but at the end all what they really want to do is to cut and run from Iraq and handle the terrorists their ultimate victory.
The reason we are going to win is because there is no other alternative. With Gods help, we will win out no matter how many defeatists and hand wringing liberals we have to fight. JessM
I don't know what your thoughts are about "once we leave" are but I think IRAQ will simply change it's last letter to N and we will be facing a middle east largely under the Iranian sphere of influence. I think it is safe to say that the conclusion will be a conflagration, probably nuclear. It may not occur this year, but shortly. Iran has to be addressed by the USA or by Israel and the clock is ticking. If we leave, we have no counter balance to Iranian expansionism. Iraq was the smart move, but following through with an energized 5th column biting at your heels will be a long shot.
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That will never happen. They may cause disruption, but they will never hijack this site.
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In what way is this different on a macro scale? The Soviets were there, bogged down for 10 years. We've been there for almost half that amount of time and it appears we are further from our goals than were were in July 2003.
As for aid and comfort to the enemy, that's treason. My comments are a long way from even remotely resembling treason. For that matter, they are far from giving aid and comfort on any scale.
As in ANY AND EVERY war that America has been engaged in. Miscalculations, error....are all part of any war. If you mean poor media management by your phrase "poorly perceived outcomes", I'll agree with you to an extent on that.
So since the President went on TV and took responsibilty as CiC for any mistakes or miscalculations, wouldn't you say he would also have been within his right to claim glory for the successes in Iraq? It cuts both ways you know.
As far as the Bring it On statement....so what? How is that statement continueing to be relevant to today or in the conducting of the WOT in general? Bush was a young president who'd got through hell with not only the 2000 election but also obstruction from the stinkin' RATS every way from Sunday to nearly all his initial cabinet member confirmations....to 9/11.
Referring to Bring it On at his point seems....irrelevant to any context that faces our situation today. I do recall that you are a consistent Bush critic though.
I am not saying that our complete victory in Iraq will totally annihilate terrorism from existence, but our victory in Iraq against AL Qaeda, Syria and Iran will crush islamic terrorism for many decades to come and their danger to us and the world will be greatly reduced.
Once we win in Iraq, I expect the terrorist regimes in Iran and Syria to collapse rather quickly and an Air War against Iran to destroy their nuclear facilities and military infrastructures will even make the collapse much faster.
It is different type of war and require different tactics. The Germans lost hundred of thousands of troops in the partisans resistance war in Russia and Yugoslavia and the "Partisans" tactics were not as sophisticated as the tactics that the terrorists are using and they did not have the weapons that the terrorists have in particular those lethal and advanced IED's. That is why I call it an incredible and miraculous success that in almost 4 years we only lost 3,000 thousands of our brave heroes, and all this is attributed to the bravery and incredible professionalism of our military.
Amen Jesse.
In a nut shell this cartoon about Murtha that you posted summarizes the defeatist mentality.
"Arabs in general are cowards and they will stop fighting once you put enough military pressure on them."
Wasn't that rationale about defeating Saddam and his army?
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