Defeatists On Free Republic Who Are Giving Aid and Comfort to the Enemy

January 18 2007 | jveritas

[jveritas]

The most lasting tragedy of the Vietnam War is that it has legitimized “giving aid and comfort to the enemy”. We are seeing the giving of aid and comfort to the enemy running wild in this war on terror and sadly not only among liberals and their media but also among some conservatives who some of them are right here on this great Free Republic.

When Al Qaeda terrorists, or the terrorist regimes in Iran and Syria, or the Iraqi insurgent terrorists whether they are Sunnis or Shia hear the speeches of defeatism coming from liberals and their media, or unfortunately coming from some conservatives who some of them are right here on Free Republic, will they feel comforted and aided by these speeches? Of course they will be comforted, and they will be embolden to fight more and more, kill more and more, destroy more and more, because they realize that many Americans do not have the will to fight a long and hard war.

Defeatism and providing aid and comfort to the enemy was something that we expected from liberals and their media because their hate to President Bush and the Republican Party is hundred of times more than their hate to the terrorists. However it is really sad that some conservatives and some members on this great forum are doing their share in providing aid and comfort to the enemy through their defeatist attitude.

Do the defeatists want to amend the Constitution so we will have the following? Stop the war and leave if we lose more than one thousand troops, or stop the war and leave if it lasts more than one year, or stop the war and leave if it costs more than 50 billions dollars, whichever comes first. Do they want to do this?

The defeatists who argue that Iraq is not part of the war on terror but rather it is just a civil war between Sunnis and Shia are wrong and naive beyond belief. Iraq is most definitely the central and most important front in the war on terror. It is in Iraq where Al Qaeda and their local Iraqi allies decided to fight the US. It is in Iraq where the islamic terrorists from all over the world are pouring in to fight the Americans. It is in Iraq where the terrorist regimes of Iran and Syria and their local Iraqi allies want to defeat the US so they can have total control of the Middle East. Since the terrorists are all over the world, then the best way to fight them is to attract them to one place to kill them. Whether it was planned or not, Iraq turned out to be the magnet that has been attracting the terrorists from all over the world, and that is the ultimate way to fight the war on terror and to kill as many terrorists as we can.

Every defeatist who is giving aid and comfort to the enemy should ask himself or herself this question: What will happen if we leave Iraq before we achieve complete victory? The First thing that will happen is that the enemy will be embolden beyond belief and the terrorists whether they are Sunnis or Shia, whether they are Al Qaeda, or Iran or Syria, will be given the ultimate victory that will embolden them thousands more time then when they were emboldened when the US left Beirut after the Marines barracks terrorist attack in 1983, or when the US left Somalia in 1993 after the terrorist killed 19 troops, or when no reprisal happened against the terrorists when they attacked many American targets through out the Clinton years. If our passiveness to the past terrorist attacks emboldened them in such a way to attack us on 9/11, think about what they can do to us if we give and leave Iraq and thus handle them the ultimate victory that they have been dreaming about for decades.

The defeatists must understand that if few terrorists sitting in a cave in Afghanistan with a small budget and few volunteers were able to do the 9/11 terrorist attacks, killed 3000 Americans, and caused over one trillion dollars in economic damages, then the terrorists control of Iraq and of the whole Middle East, and its vast oil resources will allow them to conduct terrorist attacks against us that we cannot imagine even in our worst nightmares. By controlling Iraq and the Middle East the terrorists will have hundreds of billions of dollars under their control that they will use it to attack us everywhere in the world and the US and cause unimaginable death, destruction and economic losses that will make 9/11 terrorist attacks look like a picnic in comparison. They will also use the oil weapon to bring the world economy to a disaster that will be many folds worse than that of the 1929 Depression.

Fellow Free Republic members, we are fighting the most important war since WW II. We are not fighting for the Iraqis in Iraq but we are fighting for ourselves, for our freedom and for our way of life. Let us all support our President and our brave troops because they need our support now more than ever.

[La Enchiladita]

Maybe you only want to hear echoes of your own thoughts. I don't. I enjoy some of the vigorous discussions we have here, and I'm really glad the site owner believes in freedom of speech more than you do.

[Radix]

"Yes because we all know Islamic scientists contributed nothing, added nothing, or protected nothing of import between the fall of the Roman Empire and the Renaissance. Even though the list is actually quite long they really contributed nothing....Of course."

 

Come on....I thought that we were  talking about modern day contributions to civilization...?

Oh so they preserved the concept of a "zero" and we now have the word "assassin" for a stealth murderer. Thanks Arabs, for just a bit more than nothing.

Please, the Irish who were subjugated by the freedom loving British for a thousand years did as much as the Arabs ever did when it came to the protection of antiquities.

Before that subjugation, of course the seafaring Danish and others of the northern regions of Europe had a good handle on things in Ireland.

 

Oh, but our friends of the Islamic cult. Those Freedom loving  descendants of Bedouin who have done everything possible to undermine the economies of Western Civilization ever since the day that someone showed them that it actually is a good idea to wipe their behinds  before they broke bread with their guests and then slit their throats.

 

Call me old fashioned, but I hold the opinion that Isabella and Ferdinand were wimps and actually should be credited as the original inventors of the PC treatment of Islamic jihadists.

 
Besides, what have the Arabs done for us lately?

 

 

Queen Isabelle and King Ferdinand lead the Reconqusitadors towards Granada. The Spanish Reconquista, in the Middle Ages, was the most successful example of an European answer to Muslim expansionism.

[Thumper1960]

Quite well stated.

Never sleep with an enemy that would kill you in due course. Kill them, instead.

[april15Bendovr]

Free Speech?

Is that like when thousands documents get translated showing clear evidence of links between Saddam and terrorism then are ignored because of preconceved notions by moderates and liberals?

If jveritas is upset maybe its because he was counting on more supporty from his pears at Free Republic but fell on some deaf ears.

Many of us here have been supporting Jveritas from the start but others have an appearance of being lazy participants being played like a Stradivarius by the clear agenda of the lefts investment of failure in Iraq.

[april15Bendovr]

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[billbears]

Oh my. Such logic. Well I see at least you dropped the pretense of comparing pre-1918 Europe to the Middle East

Oh so they preserved the concept of a "zero" and we now have the word "assassin" for a stealth murderer. Thanks Arabs, for just a bit more than nothing.

Damn Ay-rabs. Well let's see. You have the Coptic Christians of Egypt whose art laid the groundwork for the Christian art of later eras. Course they were Arabic. Then we have the Islamic Culture and the Medical Arts (course that's just our own government's opinion, damn Islamic lovers eh?..), and certain types of soap.Let's not forget contributions to astronomy, navigation, and physics. Preserved the concept of 'zero' and the word assassin?!? Don't make me laugh

Those Freedom loving descendants of Bedouin who have done everything possible to undermine the economies of Western Civilization ever since the day that someone showed them that it actually is a good idea to wipe their behinds before they broke bread with their guests and then slit their throats.

LOL, no bias there, no sirree!!

Call me old fashioned, but I hold the opinion that Isabella and Ferdinand were wimps and actually should be credited as the original inventors of the PC treatment of Islamic jihadists.

And then we come to your 'fine' link. Talk about stereotyping. Halfway down the page we've got this 'intelligent' statement...

With these baby creating factories not only did the Muslims breed like rats, but they also treated their wives and concubines (Muslim ladies) worse than cattle

I'm going to believe a website that prints trash like that. Hmmmmm....seems I've heard that sort of rhetoric used other times in history by rather questionable men. But do please carry on. You and the site are making such a 'wonderful' argument...

I must say I do love the revisionism around El Cid. Tell us please what did El Cid do later in life? Oh wait here it is....

Díaz then offered his services to the Muslim ruler of Saragossa. The Cid served al-Mu'tamin and his successor, al-Musta'in II, loyally for almost a decade. He was victorious in battles against the Moorish king of Lérida and his Christian allies, as well as against a large Christian army under King Sancho Ramírez of Aragon.

In 1086, Alfonso was defeated by Almoravids from North Africa, and he overcame his antagonism to the Cid long enough to recall him from exile. Although his presence at Alfonso's court in July 1087 is documented, Díaz was soon back in Saragossa, and he did not participate in the ensuing conflict whereby the Almoravids threatened the survival of Christian Spain. Instead, the Cid began a long, complex political campaign to gain control of the wealthy Moorish kingdom of Valencia.

Whew, all sorts of intrigue. Doesn't sound like El-Cid really cared who he fought for. Unless, do you think? I bet it's some of that 11th century MSM trying to slur the good name of El-Cid!!

I suggest you get your history from places that don't have such an apparent agenda. Maybe you could also do a little research on just how exactly the Christians and Jews were treated under Moorish rule in Spain as well...

[La Enchiladita]

pears peers

To each their own, april. A segment of FR is coming across as deeming themselves superior.

I see us all, including jveritas, as equals. I view this as a thread about jveritas being "special" rather than being a discussion re Iraq.

I've posted my comments re OIF, the WOT, our troops on other threads, where appropriate.

FReepers are all volunteers; what we post is voluntary and it's not obligatory on the part of others to acknowledge us.

[Goreknowshowtocheat]

Exactly.....3000 was not enough...the electorate is asleep still. Do we have to lose a Toledo or Chicago? If NY can elect Chuckie and Hitlery after 9/11, then the public is extremely stupid and we are spinning our wheels trying to protect Western Civilization. The idiots will just stop funding it.

[Star Traveler]

You said -- "Exactly.....3000 was not enough...the electorate is asleep still. Do we have to lose a Toledo or Chicago? If NY can elect Chuckie and Hitlery after 9/11, then the public is extremely stupid and we are spinning our wheels trying to protect Western Civilization. The idiots will just stop funding it."

I believe that there is not an adequate response to the attack on America on 9/11. It was not the first attack. There have been a whole series of them before. It's only the one that made the most impact. And still, it's not enough. It's like people "woke up" for a couple of years and then rolled over back to sleep again. They don't recognize Islam for what it is -- a diabolical form of government, masquerading as a religion.

So, I'm just about convinced that we'll lose this present "battle" -- and that's what it's going to be, because the "war" will not be over yet. And what it will take is a *real big whack* by the enemy to really wake us up. And that big whack may be quite debilitating to our country, unfortunately. But, it will serve to put the entire country on a *war footing* and then we might fight it like a real war.

We do what we can right now, until everything gets shut down and pulled out. And then the big attack will come, if not sooner. Just wait and see...

Regards,
Star Traveler

[Becki]

Fellow Free Republic members, we are fighting the most important war since WW II. We are not fighting for the Iraqis in Iraq but we are fighting for ourselves, for our freedom and for our way of life. Let us all support our President and our brave troops because they need our support now more than ever.

Thank you so much for saying this. It is, indeed, extremely discouraging to see so many of those posts here these days.

You of all people understand more than most of us after your extensive translations of the documents from Saddam. They are informative and ultimately invaluable to those of us who read them.

Becki

[jveritas]

Thank you very much Becki.

[april15Bendovr]

I wish someone would do a video documentary of your work. The impact could be similar to the movie Obsession Radical Islam's War Against The West.

[jveritas]

We shall see :)

[april15Bendovr]

If there ever is a documentary don't forget to include this Quote

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1756856/posts

Dirty Trick from the New York Times (Docex Project)
Family Security Matters ^ | docex documents | By Roger Aronoff

"Hoekstra blasted the New York Times: "The sad reality is that the New York Times has done far more damage to U.S. national security by the disclosure of vital, classified, intelligence programs than is likely to be caused by the inadvertent disclosure of decades-old information that had already been in the hands of Saddam's regime."

[jveritas]

I will.